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kingsthrone
Old 09-03-2004, 10:31 PM     Post subject: *sigh* #1 (permalink)  
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My ultra tight early SnG play hit me where it hurts the most. I don't think my fold here was that outrageous, i've been hurt by wired pairs early on often enough to not let this "coulda been" change my game. But i'll welcome anyone who want to call me an idiot here


***** Hand History for Game 906836673 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 5608443) - Thu Sep 02 19:37:42 EDT 2004
Table Table 11074 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: zenka (760)
Seat 2: Speer22 (885)
Seat 3: mogadan (775)
Seat 4: mischling (775)
Seat 5: bpers (315)
Seat 6: kingsthrone (740)
Seat 7: gregormendel (800)
Seat 8: tunahead76 (715)
Seat 9: SpencerN (740)
Seat 10: saap15 (1495)
bpers posts small blind (10)
kingsthrone posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to kingsthrone [ 5s, 5c ]
gregormendel folds.
tunahead76 folds.
SpencerN calls (15)
saap15 calls (15)
zenka folds.
Speer22 folds.
mogadan raises (95) to 95
mischling folds.
bpers folds.
kingsthrone folds.
SpencerN calls (80)
saap15 calls (80)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5h, 7c, Jc ]
SpencerN checks.
saap15 checks.
mogadan bets (125)
SpencerN folds.
saap15 calls (125)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
saap15 checks.
mogadan bets (555)
mogadan is all-In.
saap15 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1115 with mogadan
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1115
Board: [ 5h 7c Jc 5d ]
zenka balance 760, didn't bet (folded)
Speer22 balance 885, didn't bet (folded)
mogadan balance 1115, bet 775, collected 1115, net +340
mischling balance 775, didn't bet (folded)
bpers balance 305, lost 10 (folded)
kingsthrone balance 725, lost 15 (folded)
gregormendel balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
tunahead76 balance 715, didn't bet (folded)
SpencerN balance 645, lost 95 (folded)
saap15 balance 1275, lost 220 (folded)
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Old 09-03-2004, 11:22 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i won't call you an idiot, but i will submit a Banning Request Form on you!

i've done the same, and then screamed "d'oh" when the board hit.

so, i'll tell you the same things it took me awhile to figure out:

- you're in the BB, if you call, no one can reraise you
- at 80 more chips, i'd complain about it (to the cat ), but i'd call
- sets and implied odds - such potential!!!
- you'd have your quads on the turn, so you could check/call, and hope someone hits their flush or boat on the river

dude, you suck!
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Old 09-03-2004, 11:46 PM #3 (permalink)  
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My requirements for playing small pocket pairs.

I'll call up to a 5x PFR, IF the raiser has a nice fat stack to pay me off with. Or if the other callers have enough to pay me off. I'm looking for about 10x the what I have to call. I won't always get all of that, but why call a 4x raise if you can only win 5 all together?

FLOP A SET OR FOLD!

Pretty simple.
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Old 09-03-2004, 11:47 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I've done the same thing. Although never preflop unless it was a huge raise with a small pair. You live and learn. On the flip side, no fives could have come at all. So don't beat yourself up about it.

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Old 09-06-2004, 02:47 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Well, don't worry about your play. Yet, do worry about your play. I've done the same thing. A raise from a solid player makes me fold my smaller pocket pair.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=1987

But as they said to me, the implied odds are too great for me not to call. I made the mistake of not calling, and so did you. But don't feel too bad, it's not the worst thing, but something to work on.

Once you play it, if you don't improve on the flop, be prepared to post and fold. However, there are a lot of cases where you don't need to improve to have the best hand. Imagine having 66 against AJ and the flop comes 83T. Scary flop, even if you do have the best hand.
I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
 
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Old 09-06-2004, 07:25 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I would have folded this too, I don't think the odds are there for this and if they are it's marginal. Fold and save the 80 chips for when you have a better hand. With the raise in front there is also the possiblilty that you hit your set and lose to a bigger set.
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Old 09-06-2004, 08:43 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Yeah, the raise is more than a 10th of your stack. I fold this as well. The exception is if I'm a very big stack, but even then I still may.

But, I could maybe benefit from being a bit looser on calling raises with them, who knows. Until about a month ago I was much tighter than I am now. Before I'd typically fold a small pocket pair to any raise bigger than a minraise.

Still, this is a lot to call in this hand, relative to your stack.
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Old 09-06-2004, 08:56 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Sigh indeed. I think I was correct to fold this UTG though, even if I am chip leader

Game #583072409 (Level IV, Game #2) - 30/60 No Limit Texas Hold'em -
2004/09/05-14:31:59 (CST)
Table "St. Denis" ($30 tournament) -- Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Picky Dogs (817.00 in chips)
Seat 3: Pat2tmax (1,375.00 in chips)
Seat 4: SmokinAl (1,275.00 in chips)
Seat 5: SAILORMAN12 (1,517.00 in chips)
Seat 6: Spyhunter (976.00 in chips)
Seat 7: XBones80 (1,650.00 in chips)
Seat 9: zappadawg (960.00 in chips)
Seat 10: NO MAS! (1,430.00 in chips)
SAILORMAN12: Post Small Blind (30)
Spyhunter: Post Big Blind (60)
Dealing...
Dealt to XBones80 [ 4c ]
Dealt to XBones80 [ 5c ]
XBones80: Fold
zappadawg: Fold
NO MAS! : Fold
Picky Dogs said, "cant you leave me in peace"
Picky Dogs: Call (60)
Pat2tmax: Fold
Spyhunter said, "ace picky?"
SmokinAl: Fold
Picky Dogs said, "i am working on a lecture"
SAILORMAN12: Call (30)
Spyhunter: Check
*** FLOP *** : [ 3c 7h 7c ]
SAILORMAN12: Check
Spyhunter: Check
Picky Dogs said, "nothing at all as I recall"
Picky Dogs: Check
*** TURN *** : [ 3c 7h 7c ] [ 6c ]
SAILORMAN12: Check
SmokinAl said, "Was that "Kant you leave me alone"?"
Spyhunter: Bet (60)
Picky Dogs: Fold
SAILORMAN12: Fold
Spyhunter: Winner -- doesn't show cards
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 180 | Board: [ 3c 7h 7c 6c ]
Picky Dogs lost 60 (folded)
Pat2tmax didn't bet (folded)
SmokinAl didn't bet (folded)
SAILORMAN12 lost 60 (folded)
Spyhunter bet 120, collected 240, net +120
XBones80 didn't bet (folded) [ 4c 5c ] (a straight flush, three to seven)
zappadawg didn't bet (folded)
NO MAS! didn't bet (folded)
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