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spoonitnow
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10-04-2008, 03:54 PM
Post subject: $50nl - KK against a limp/call range
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Villain is 22/5ish and kind of passive. I have multiple (3+) notes of Villain limp/calling any Ace and some random suited cards from EP and MP.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($54.85)
Button ($52.90)
SB ($61.70)
BB ($49.25)
UTG ($50)
MP1 ($54.90)
Hero (MP2) ($49.25)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K , K
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, 4 folds, MP1 calls $2
Flop: ($5.75) 10, 2, 8 (2 players)
MP1 bets $3, Hero raises to $11.50, MP1 calls $8.50
Turn: ($28.75) A (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks
River: ($28.75) Q (2 players)
MP1 bets $12, Hero dot dot dots
I think I'm behind his range here since I can't think of a single hand I beat besides like Jacks. Am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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Rule # 1: don't ask questions
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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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d0zer
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Yeah after flop action it seems his most likely holdings are FD / Ten / overpair (or better). The river lead doesn't exactly scream "jacks" so I think it's farily likely that his FD came in, his QT hit, he got tired of slowplaying his set or some 2pr hand that beats you.
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wufwugy
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clubs and j9 hit so ill give it to him
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daven
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I like every street if you fold river
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by daven
I like every street if you fold river
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If I was a pirate I'd be like standAARd.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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IowaSkinsFan
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perfection, ofc fold
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swiggidy
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by daven
I like every street if you fold river
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If I was a pirate I'd be like standAARd. |
lol
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daven
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by daven
I like every street if you fold river
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If I was a pirate I'd be like standAARd. |
yep, a weak standaard game is still a winning won at 50nl/100nl
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Renton
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why not bet turn
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cardsman1992
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Doesn't a turn bet pretty much commit us? If so, is that what we really want?
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spoonitnow
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{double post}
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Renton
why not bet turn
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I felt like the only hands I could get anymore value out of after the Ace fell were Tx one-pair type hands and hands where he misses his draw on the river but bluffs or bets his one-pair. So instead of building a big pot on the turn when it's going to be hard for me to tell what to do on the river, I let him take all of those one-pair hands to the river. I give up some equity by letting him draw to 9+ a portion of the time, but in exchange I keep the pot small and avoid making huge mistakes on the river.
If I bet the turn then I'm representing like an Ax hand that bluff raised the flop or a set or the occasional AT and it's going to be really easy for worse hands to fold at that point besides draws. I give up getting value out of the draws for one street for getting value out of them on the river sometimes and getting value out of other hands I beat on the river sometimes, and I think this part balances itself out. Where I feel I really gain by checking the turn is the times that he already has me beat and I get a lot of money in behind. Checking the turn avoids that while keeping my other considerations for value roughly the same.
Okay I hope that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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wakeup
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same thought on checking the turn, blows off a lot of hands we beat, but lets draws come in cheap
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