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Old 09-19-2007, 05:44 AM     Post subject: $50 QQ #1 (permalink)  
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Only my second hand at the table and I've never seen him before. I'm mostly wondering if the flop call is spew but comments on the entire hand are welcome.

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Button ($48.25)
Hero ($49.50)
BB ($50.95)
UTG ($87.10)
UTG+1 ($44.85)
MP1 ($14.20)
MP2 ($54.75)
MP3 ($53.25)
CO ($61.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, MP2 folds, CO raises to $10.5, Hero calls $4.50.

Flop: ($22) T, 7, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10.5, Hero calls $10.50.

Turn: ($43) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $40.35 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $2.64
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:53 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Preflop is fine but I definitely think the flop is spew. Just fold this; you are way behind an unknown's range. I rarely see 4-bets PF with AK at this level and you're behind everything but JJ.
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:30 PM #3 (permalink)  
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What he said.
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:55 PM #4 (permalink)  
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i would agree with the above posts, against an unknown, fwiw.

however, food for thought... AQ+ may do this, i stress may. TT+ may do this. we know J9 would not likely 4bet pf. and there is no A or K on the flop. in a 25NL game, we dont fold overpairs, do we?

is the difference that much at 50NL? i hear people say its not.

against AQ+, TT+, you are 55% pf and your equity only drops 2% on this flop.

i dont think its as spewy as everyone will say. like i said, just food for thought/devils advocate.
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Old 09-19-2007, 04:11 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 This is almost never AK or JJ Chopper. And yes we fold overpairs quite often at this level.
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Old 09-19-2007, 04:39 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 I think the weak raise (3xbb with one limper) + 4-bet reeks of Aces at this level.
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:37 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Are you calling the pf 4 bet for set value? I think that's marginal given the stack sizes. Even if he has KK+ he won't always get all in with you if he has KK and an ace flops. If on the other hand you think you have positive equity against his range then you have to get it all in when you flop an overpair. As it is you end up putting $21 of your $50 stack in then folding, that's not good.
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Old 09-19-2007, 07:37 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Are you calling the pf 4 bet for set value? I think that's marginal given the stack sizes.
Yeah I'm calling it for set value. It's slightly marginal I guess, I'm getting 12.55:1 on my call. The problem as you say is putting in $21 which was not my plan and thus made my call preflop -ev.
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dead money in pot makes PF okay for set value.

you can safely dump the flop as you only beat AK/JJ
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 I bet-fold or check-fold this flop. I mean, you're pretty sure you're behind. JJ, and maybe AKs are the only things you're ahead of - but they don't seem likely, I'm expecting AA or KK. If you're going to spend money on this flop anyway then why not do it with a chance of winning the pot through villain folding.
as played good river fold.
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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