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archangel95
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10-21-2007, 11:13 PM
Post subject: $25NL 3betting with TT
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Was I wrong to assume I was 50% against villains range?
I'm trying to utilize Renton's chat log post into my game especially where he talked about 3 bettting with position against someone you think your hand is 50/50 against. So from villains stats what do you think?
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Profiles and Stacks:
 UTG Haens28 ($27.70) 21.5/6.5/1.0 (107)
 UTG+1 Minimi2000 ($23.75) 25.0/0.0/0.0 (4)
MP aherland ($25.10) 37.2/22.1/2.7 (113)
 CO Hero ($24.95) 11.8/7.9/3.5 (152)
 BTN Eschke ($9.30) 30.3/0.7/0.8 (152)
SB Himan33 ($7.55) 7.7/1.9/0.0 (52)
BB sobraogirl ($24.65) 7.0/0.0/0.0 (43)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 7 players) Hero is CO  
Haens28 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, 3 folds, Haens28 raises to $12.25, Hero folds
Final Pot: ($7.35)
Haens28 wins $7 ( won +$3.50 )
Hero lost -$3.50
I felt like it was a pretty standard fold. I'm representing quite a bit of strength by 3betting him and he didn't care. SO AA,KK, AK would be my guess at his range.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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If he's positionally aware this is terrible. If he isn't it's meh. I also seriously doubt Renton 3 bets an UTG raise w/TT even though it's only 7 handed.
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Renton
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yeah just call
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archangel95
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
yeah just call
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This is what I am trying to implement
Quote:
renton: there are 3 3betting mindset you should have
renton: 1. Never 3bet
somedude: lol
renton: 2. 3bet AK QQ+
renton: 3. 3bet every hand that beats their range
renton: 1 applies to people who you feel that coldcalling AA is plus-er ev vs than 3betting AA
renton: e.g. a tighter raisor utg
renton: 2 applies to your unknown who raises from mid-late position, or a tight player who raises from mid to late position
renton: 3 applies to laggs and good taggs
renton: does this make sense?
somedude: yeah
somedude: means i need a faster PC.
somedude: PAhud is dying here
renton: , and theres a 4. that only applies to good tags, which is, 3bet every ahnd that beats their range, PLUS 3bet a bunch of random suited connectors and small pairs and pwn them until they fourbet A2o out of frustation
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Here's what I think his range is UTG
90,752,112 games 0.005 secs 18,150,422,400 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.866% 43.76% 01.11% 39708900 1007822.00 { TcTd }
Hand 1: 55.134% 54.02% 01.11% 49027568 1007822.00 { 88+, AKs, AKo }
I think the problem with 3betting his range is that most of it is going to push over the top of my 3bet, maybe not 88-QQ but the rest is coming over the top. I think I learned something from this. Anyway, this was my first attempt.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Good stuff Mike. I learned from your post to. After making my reply I tinkered around with certain hands and matched them up against certain ranges in pokerstove to get a good idea instead of guestimating as well as reread Rentons post on 2p2.
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Renton
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yeah notice that i said that 3 only applies to aggressive players. This guy is a nit.
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martindcx1e
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by archangel95
Here's what I think his range is UTG
90,752,112 games 0.005 secs 18,150,422,400 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.866% 43.76% 01.11% 39708900 1007822.00 { TcTd }
Hand 1: 55.134% 54.02% 01.11% 49027568 1007822.00 { 88+, AKs, AKo }
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a nit's range is waaay tighter than this UTG.
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archangel95
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by archangel95
Here's what I think his range is UTG
90,752,112 games 0.005 secs 18,150,422,400 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.866% 43.76% 01.11% 39708900 1007822.00 { TcTd }
Hand 1: 55.134% 54.02% 01.11% 49027568 1007822.00 { 88+, AKs, AKo }
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a nit's range is waaay tighter than this UTG. |
I think this guys stats were higher than this. That weaktight converter only takes the hands that you played at that table with him, but I think I had like 1000 hands on this guy and his PFR was closer to 10-11
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archangel95
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by archangel95
Here's what I think his range is UTG
90,752,112 games 0.005 secs 18,150,422,400 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.866% 43.76% 01.11% 39708900 1007822.00 { TcTd }
Hand 1: 55.134% 54.02% 01.11% 49027568 1007822.00 { 88+, AKs, AKo }
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a nit's range is waaay tighter than this UTG. |
Do you think Nit's are that positionally aware? Seems to me they play the same hands in all positions, with no regard to the button.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by archangel95
Do you think Nit's are that positionally aware? Seems to me they play the same hands in all positions, with no regard to the button.
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if there stats are like your OP says than it's pretty much way tighter than that range in any position.
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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archangel95
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by archangel95
Do you think Nit's are that positionally aware? Seems to me they play the same hands in all positions, with no regard to the button.
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if there stats are like your OP says than it's pretty much way tighter than that range in any position. |
No.
pp = .45% 88-AA = (7 pp's)*.45% = 3.15%
AKs + AKo = 1.2%
4.35%
or TT-AA (5 pp's) * .45% = 2.25%
AKs + AKo + AQs +AQo = 2.4%
for 4.65%
His range would be wider than my estimate just about no matter how you re-arrange them.
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archangel95
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I'm not saying UTG. I'm just replying to your statement that it would be tighter from any position.
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martindcx1e
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oh ya i'm wrong. sorry. i do think that nits can definitely be positionally aware though.
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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archangel95
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Definitely don't be sorry, that was awesome homework.
I learned from proving my point.
Yeah, they probably are positionally aware, although I don't really think they have to be because most of their range plays so well from any seat.
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