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01-27-2008, 08:35 PM
Post subject: $200nl - Blind defense w/AQ commitment decision
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Villain is 17/6/1.0 with a 20% attempt to steal.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG+1 ($211.95)
MP1 ($240.70)
MP2 ($38.15)
MP3 ($98.15)
CO ($247)
Button ($110.70)
Hero ($227.90)
BB ($113)
UTG ($99.75)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , A .
6 folds, Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $26
I plan to fold to a push here. If he calls, I plan to lead a Q-high board, check/call a safe A-high board, or lead a not-so-safe A-high board, with intentions of calling a flop push or getting it in on the turn.
Thoughts?
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1) I like your plays. Keep posting , I'm trying to learn from them.
2) What do you plan on doing if he calls and you whiff (the most common scenario IMO)? C/F?
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You think the most common scenario is a call? From a 17/6 who opens his range on the button I think he's folding most of the time here.
I love the 3-bet blind defense with AQ. Hell -- I'll do it with PPs & SCs if villain is tight and positionally aware.
What's the reasoning behind a check/call on a Qhigh board? I'd be inclined to lead that.
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Originally Posted by d0zer
You think the most common scenario is a call? From a 17/6 who opens his range on the button I think he's folding most of the time here.
I love the 3-bet blind defense with AQ. Hell -- I'll do it with PPs & SCs if villain is tight and positionally aware.
What's the reasoning behind a check/call on a Qhigh board? I'd be inclined to lead that.
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Reread the OP.
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You think the most common scenario is a call? From a 17/6 who opens his range on the button I think he's folding most of the time here.
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Originally Posted by dozer
What's the reasoning behind a check/call on a Qhigh board? I'd be inclined to lead that.
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Figure out why you would lead out on that Q-high board -- I bet you can't come up with a good reason.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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You think the most common scenario is a call? From a 17/6 who opens his range on the button I think he's folding most of the time here.
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Exactly.
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Originally Posted by dozer
What's the reasoning behind a check/call on a Qhigh board? I'd be inclined to lead that.
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Figure out why you would lead out on that Q-high board -- I bet you can't come up with a good reason. |
Sorry I meant what's the reasoning behind a check/call on a safe Axx board.
Why would I lead a Q-high board? To chase out JJ/TT/AK?
So the check/call on an Axx board is because a lead would push out JJ/TT, but you wanna call a potential bluff with JJ-KK?
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Originally Posted by d0zer
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by badgers
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You think the most common scenario is a call? From a 17/6 who opens his range on the button I think he's folding most of the time here.
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Exactly.
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Originally Posted by dozer
What's the reasoning behind a check/call on a Qhigh board? I'd be inclined to lead that.
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Figure out why you would lead out on that Q-high board -- I bet you can't come up with a good reason. |
Sorry I meant what's the reasoning behind a check/call on a safe Axx board.
Why would I lead a Q-high board? To chase out JJ/TT/AK?
So the check/call on an Axx board is because a lead would push out JJ/TT, but you wanna call a potential bluff with JJ-KK? |
Shit I was thinking the Axx board when I posted, even though I said Q-high lololol. The main reason to lead a AQ board is to give Kx bad odds to draw and to try to get value from lower aces.
You're right with what you said about the Axx board, but I want to throw this out there so we don't over generalize: think about what hands call our bet compared to what hands will bet when checked to. In this spot, it seems that we'll get more value from a check/call since we get value from KK-JJ that we wouldn't get most of the time if we lead out. Can you think of a spot where it would be best to lead instead of check/calling?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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For what it's worth, I bet out on Axx boards a lot. Probably checking more often would be correct though for the online crowd. For the cardroom donks it's the world's easiest bluff.
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Would you consider raising if he bets on Axx board? Like if you check, he bets, you said call. How would you know where you are? Do you call the turn and the river? If you c/r and he calls wouldn't you worry more about AA or AK?
Also whats considered a safe A board and a not so safe A high board? Sorry if I missed this somewhere.
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by allabout
Would you consider raising if he bets on Axx board? Like if you check, he bets, you said call. How would you know where you are? Do you call the turn and the river? If you c/r and he calls wouldn't you worry more about AA or AK?
Also whats considered a safe A board and a not so safe A high board? Sorry if I missed this somewhere.
Thanks!
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A safe A-high board would be something like A 9 5 . A not-so-safe A-high board would be something like A T 9. Just has to do with the draws and stuff, that's all.
Here it's not going to matter where we're at because of the effective stack sizes. On the flop we're going to have like $80 behind in a pot of about $50. Because we have so little left behind in comparison to the pot, we're committed to either top pair hand, so we don't have to worry about where we're at or if we're against a better hand.
The only reason I check/call (maybe check/raise all-in) on safe Axx flops is to get some extra value out of PPs that miss the flop. We get this value in the cases that they would take a shot at the pot when checked to, but wouldn't call if we bet.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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yeah, calling is fine as well
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