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Old 02-13-2008, 02:32 AM     Post subject: $200nl - AK 4-bet hand IP vs tiny donk lead #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is about 19/12 over an 80-100 hand sample, and 3-bets like an omfg lot. Seriously, dude seems to 3-bet every hand I see him in, but the only one that I remember specifically is that he 3-bet a TAgg regular's raise from the SB with ATo when the TAgg was UTG+2.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
5 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, BB raises to $20, Hero raises to $66, BB calls $46.

Flop: ($133) 4, J, J (2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero scratches his fucking head

So I'm thinking that a raise is retarded and a call kind of sucks but I can't see folding here. The plan is probably to call and hope to snag a pair and go from there. Thoughts?
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Old 02-13-2008, 02:47 AM #2 (permalink)  
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"Thanks for putting more money into the pot, I'll be going all-in now."

As a rule, when someone makes an absurdly small bet into the pot, ignore it (call if you were going to check) unless it's a tell.
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Old 02-15-2008, 07:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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That $10 is worrying. It is too small to be a serious steal attempt it could be one of three things
1. Villain has lost the plot has no idea what to do and so bet so as not to appear to weak. Is he such a donk?
2. He has you well an truly beat and wants you to try and run over him many aggressive players would go all in without thought here. Is he that good?
3. He is drinking and pressed the wrong button. maybe that explains his stats?

in your situation i would go for 2 and fold or call then fold later you prefer.
Pre flop was exciting full ring a reraise from the BB, id call here and look to hit the flop or attack a CB with less money spent.
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:09 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Call>shove>fold

you probably have the best hand, but if you do villain only has 6 outs max. So you need not worry about villain taking the lead on the turn.

Call and see what villain does on turn.

Calling is great in position on this sort of flop because one signal you may be showing is: Is this bastard slow playing me by calling? .... on the other hand you also scream weak, which may induce a big fire on turn.

I still think call>shove>fold


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4. He's betting for information to see how strong you are.

There are a few guys I know who make a lot of small bets to confuse, freeze and get information from weak players. Also, his bet actually has some fold equity.
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Call>shove>fold
I refuse to let this stupid little bet fuck with our game-plan here. Certainly we were going to shove this flop before he made his little bet?
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 Good points. So, other than villain leading big on turn because we called flop, what other side effects are there?


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Good points. So, other than villain leading big on turn because we called flop, what other side effects are there?
Leaking information about the value of our hand. Switching from a solid bread and button line (setting up a potish sized flop push with a good pre-flop range) to another line that may or may not be any better.

It really comes down to what his lead means. From a weak/passive player it might be enough information to re-evaluate. From someone who's shown an understanding of the value of selective aggression but is otherwise unknown, we don't really know enough about what his bet means to change up the play at the line. Heck, he might even fold his Tens to a shove.
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