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Old 05-16-2006, 12:32 PM     Post subject: $20 NL. Not sure what the play is here. #1 (permalink)  
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First of all, apologies for the Hand History... All the converters either say "not recognized" or just convert it into nonsense. It's a prima skin.

Not played with the guy long enough to get a proper read but he seems the fairly standard 35%+ VP$IP loose passive type.

** Wickhams Fancy [Hold 'em] ($0.10|$0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Lars_P1963 sitting in seat 1 with $29.35
- ReReRaise sitting in seat 2 with $19.40
- Dostoyevsky sitting in seat 4 with $39.38 [Sitting out]
- TheCaseAce sitting in seat 6 with $24.40 [Dealer]
- player_tim sitting in seat 7 with $6.63
- bennyi sitting in seat 8 with $28.60
- KIDDER123 sitting in seat 9 with $17.18

player_tim posted the small blind - $0.10
bennyi posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to TheCaseAce: Ace of Hearts, 10 of Hearts
KIDDER123 folded
Lars_P1963 folded
ReReRaise folded
TheCaseAce raised - $0.80
player_tim folded
bennyi called - $0.80

--- So, I open raise 4x from the button with ATs.

** Dealing the flop: 4 of Diamonds, 2 of Hearts, 5 of Spades
bennyi checked
TheCaseAce bet - $0.80
bennyi called - $0.80

--- That is a continuation bet, which is called quickly

** Dealing the turn: 3 of Hearts
bennyi checked
TheCaseAce bet - $1.20
bennyi raised - $9.60
TheCaseAce ???

--- I have turned the nut flush draw and the wheel. Bennyi looks like he likes his hand. Are you happy to play back? What's your line here?
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Old 05-16-2006, 02:17 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Do you bet your made hands for half pot too? Otherwise I don't like this cbet. I'd also bet the turn harder. But seeing how he raised you, he has a made hand, so if you push you WILL get called, so it's basically going on your 12 outs or 25% to win or something. Not even all of them might be good, if he has a made straight for example. There's also a low chance of this being a semi-bluff of sorts on his part, so the Ace might be an out too. I lay this down most of the time.
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 very tough spot
how loose is he preflop/on the flop vs a CBET?
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Instacall. You have the same hand as him, but you have redraws. Even if he has the higher straight, you have 9 cards to the better hand.
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 Yeah, I call this, putting him on an A, but not crying too hard if he has the 6.

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Old 05-16-2006, 03:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Do you bet your made hands for half pot too? Otherwise I don't like this cbet. I'd also bet the turn harder. But seeing how he raised you, he has a made hand, so if you push you WILL get called, so it's basically going on your 12 outs or 25% to win or something. Not even all of them might be good, if he has a made straight for example. There's also a low chance of this being a semi-bluff of sorts on his part, so the Ace might be an out too. I lay this down most of the time.
Good thinking, IMO. Wish I had taken the 20 or so secs to think it through like this.

By the way, heads-up, the flop bet is standard whether I have an OESD, top pair, AK unimproved, or a flopped boat. Opp's range here is practically anything. Q90 is entirely possible. I have position, opp call/checked. I try to win it here.

I pushed the turn. Opp flipped A6 (no hearts)
B.u.s.t.e.d.

Results-based, that looks like a dire play... I'm not su sure it's avoidable though. I read him for an ace and though i was 25% ish winning the pot and 75% ish splitting it. Didn't really take the 6 into account.

I think a call is better here actually. Opp might check river and I would have checked behind. If he pushes then you get another chance to think about it.

Yea? Nay?

I don't feel to bad about it but I am still a bit worried that I get stacked pretty often in that spot.
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Old 05-16-2006, 05:10 PM #7 (permalink)  
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i still like a push...99% of the time he is just going to have the ace and you can suck out sometimes w/ your FD.
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