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Pants_101
Old 05-12-2007, 06:27 PM     Post subject: $10NL set play #1 (permalink)  
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I'd welcome comments on all aspects of my play here especially the river. Thanks

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $5.50
UTG+1: $7.23
MP1: $6.35
MP2: $25.71
Hero: $10.05
Button: $8.26
SB: $13.02
BB: $10.85

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with 4 4
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.2, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: A 4 5 ($1.05, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.1, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: 2 ($4.15, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, Button calls, BB folds.

River: 6 ($10.15, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $5.85, Button calls all-in $4.06.
Uncalled bets: $1.79 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $18.27
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:33 PM #2 (permalink)  
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ummmmm dont get it all in on the river if you dont have to. Probably a check/call situation since you are getting pretty good odds on a call.
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:55 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 either make it 3bb preflop or call. Dont minraise. Anyone calling 2bbs is calling 3bbs too.
This board is not good for a set, you need an ubergood read that a set is good on that board.
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:11 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 don't forget that people are super passive at 10NL. Them calling doesn't narrow their range much (had someone raised you need to be very careful).

I check turn, as played def check river
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:03 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks guys, I got stubborn here was having a bad session. Should definitely have slowed down. Was betting into a flopped flush.
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Old 05-17-2007, 09:28 PM #6 (permalink)  
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1. NEVER RAISE 44 with LIMPERs... u lose so much EV here.
2. Why min raise PreFlop? They are gonna call u all day long even the dozen+ other times you miss the set.
3. Min bet on flop from villian suggest FD/already made flush n looking for callers to build pot. I'd do the same as you did except raise it to $1.50-2.00 (pending reads). Hoping he folds maybe thinking we have a better kicker.
4. check turn n river. You got your pot up with raise of flush board. No need to donate more. Call if you have the implied odds to hit FH.
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Old 05-17-2007, 10:56 PM #7 (permalink)  
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After the flop raise being called I would be very leary here. Definetely check the turn, and check call small amount on the river.
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:25 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the feedback. A few points - the minraise pf is just a small pot sweetening raise. People say if they will call 2bb they will call 3 but in my experience it's more like if they will call 1bb they will call 2. But the old minraise has been done to death anyway. Interested to hear how I am losing value by sweetening the pot with limpers though. I would have thought by doubling the stakes I make it easier to make more money when my set comes in as all subsequent bets are bigger.

When he makes the tiny bet on the flop it looks like a feeble blocking bet or possibly a monster hand. I raise it and get called but in my experience people often call when raised and then fold the turn. Like they're embarrassed or angry at getting raised I don't know. Having said that with the board as it is I should probably check and definitely check the river.
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:46 PM #9 (permalink)  
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NEVER RAISE 44 with LIMPERs... u lose so much EV here.

Wait, what
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Old 05-18-2007, 03:41 PM     Post subject: Re: $10NL set play #10 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Pants_101
Flop: A 4 5 ($1.05, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.1, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button calls
This lets you know that bottom set on this board isn't ahead. No way unsuited Ks is calling a stiff raise like that. Can't blame you for wanting to show this hand down, but slow down on the turn.
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:23 PM     Post subject: Re: $10NL set play #11 (permalink)  
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Flop: A 4 5 ($1.05, 5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.1, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button calls
This lets you know that bottom set on this board isn't ahead. No way unsuited Ks is calling a stiff raise like that. Can't blame you for wanting to show this hand down, but slow down on the turn.
I disagree completely. Do you understand how donkeyish most of these guys are?!

If I'm holding a set on a 3 to a flush flop, I bascially never give anyone (except for a few super nits) credit for a flopped flush and try and get it all in ASAP. I think that he played this well apart from preflop.
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:26 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the feedback. A few points - the minraise pf is just a small pot sweetening raise. People say if they will call 2bb they will call 3 but in my experience it's more like if they will call 1bb they will call 2. But the old minraise has been done to death anyway. Interested to hear how I am losing value by sweetening the pot with limpers though. I would have thought by doubling the stakes I make it easier to make more money when my set comes in as all subsequent bets are bigger.

When he makes the tiny bet on the flop it looks like a feeble blocking bet or possibly a monster hand. I raise it and get called but in my experience people often call when raised and then fold the turn. Like they're embarrassed or angry at getting raised I don't know. Having said that with the board as it is I should probably check and definitely check the river.
If you want to raise, make a good stiff raise. That gives you 3 ways to win the pot.
1)Preflop
2)With a cbet on the flop
3)If you hit

Forget this pot sweetening crap. All you're doing is eliminating 1 and 2 since you will have too many players in the hand.
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:56 PM #13 (permalink)  
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NEVER RAISE 44 with LIMPERs... u lose so much EV here.

Wait, what
I was thinking about this earlier.... you got 4 players in the pot. You hit your set but potential flush on the board. You're in late postion..... why not just put in a standard raise of $0.60 pre-flop. You might get limpers to fold, get the button to fold his suited connector??, gain position, and have postion on the flop. Hmmm....
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:58 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the feedback. A few points - the minraise pf is just a small pot sweetening raise. People say if they will call 2bb they will call 3 but in my experience it's more like if they will call 1bb they will call 2. But the old minraise has been done to death anyway. Interested to hear how I am losing value by sweetening the pot with limpers though. I would have thought by doubling the stakes I make it easier to make more money when my set comes in as all subsequent bets are bigger.

When he makes the tiny bet on the flop it looks like a feeble blocking bet or possibly a monster hand. I raise it and get called but in my experience people often call when raised and then fold the turn. Like they're embarrassed or angry at getting raised I don't know. Having said that with the board as it is I should probably check and definitely check the river.
If you want to raise, make a good stiff raise. That gives you 3 ways to win the pot.
1)Preflop
2)With a cbet on the flop
3)If you hit

Forget this pot sweetening crap. All you're doing is eliminating 1 and 2 since you will have too many players in the hand.
I see what you're saying and I think your advice is often good. However I'm wondering what is the play that gives me the best chance of winning a big pot with a small pp. To my mind hitting a set with lots of players in the pot is better than with only 1 opp as there is more chance someone hits a hand that they want to continue with. And if I have built the pot a little pf then all subsequent bets are bigger making it easier to win more. Of course on this board I should have been more circumspect, but I still think generally the pot sweetening play is defensible. Interested to hear what others think. If it had been folded to me I would raise the pair to $0.4 or so and I would be looking to win PF or with a c-bet as you say Atlas.
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