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Pants_101
Old 05-12-2007, 05:26 PM     Post subject: $10NL Push over? #1 (permalink)  
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Still trying to work out spots where it's +ev at my stakes to get it all in with tp. Is this one? A bad player would slowplay a set here and could easily raise a weaker ace. Not sure how the flush draw influences things. But I don't know if he's bad or not. Do I need AK to push? How would you react to the raise? Thanks all.

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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with A J
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises to $0.5, 4 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: A 5 3 ($1.65, 3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.5, MP1 raises to $3, MP2 folds, [color=#cc0000]Hero raises all-in???
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:40 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't like playing for stacks here, I find at this level when someone puts a raise in against you its danger. There are not a lot of aggresive players here so thats a sign of huge strength.
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 push. look at the board.
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:14 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 like SantaCruz said, any raise here should be considered. Any Ax you beat is calling, not min-raising. I would expect to see A5 here. Villains are capable of folding week Ax to a push here.

Without a read, if you want to stack off, call and push the turn, maybe then a weak Ax calls
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:01 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks guys you are right that I should have respected his raise in this case. Miffed care to explain your flop analysis?
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:43 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 c/minraise on that board looks like a donk minraise to me. I stack here simply because opp can be doing that we sooo much crap we are destroying.
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Old 05-13-2007, 06:35 PM #7 (permalink)  
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i think push although i don't have any experience at these micro stakes.

he calls with Ax and a flush draw and maybe even random hands played terribly like KK-66. he might have a 5. he might have a gut shot. he might have a pair and a draw. it might be a complete bluff.
i don't know. i assume there are some huge fish at these stakes.

i would just move allin
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Old 05-14-2007, 10:00 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Any $10NL veterans have any comment? I will find myself in spots like this a lot...
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Old 05-17-2007, 09:05 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Look what beats you here: AA, AK, AQ, A5, A3, 55, 33
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reFlop: villian limped in and just called your PFR, so unlikely AA, AK, and maybe AQ.

Flop- villian check-min raise you. At this level, I see allot of min-raises as FDs and/or weak-tightys trying to push peole of hands. I'd expect more of a raise with 2pair+.

You have position on villian and have almost the same implied odds to call here, so why not call. AJ is not a good hand to push with unless you have 2pair+.
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 I see this a lot more with a flush draw or an Ax more than any other. ONly a moron pushes this with A5, A3, 55 or 33 instead of trying bring you along. Are you stacking off here to a set?? How far will you take the hand. If it's all the way, push. If your shooting for pot control and want to show it down, go into check/calll mode.
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Old 05-17-2007, 10:51 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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Look what beats you here: AA, AK, AQ, A5, A3, 55, 33
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reFlop: villian limped in and just called your PFR, so unlikely AA, AK, and maybe AQ.

Flop- villian check-min raise you. At this level, I see allot of min-raises as FDs and/or weak-tightys trying to push peole of hands. I'd expect more of a raise with 2pair+.

You have position on villian and have almost the same implied odds to call here, so why not call. AJ is not a good hand to push with unless you have 2pair+.
This is along the same thing I was thinking.
Although I have seen people try to be tricky, just calling your raise with AK, or AQ, or they even could have AJ and you will end up splitting.
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:32 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I think I should just call, a push is good if he has a weaker ace and can't release it (common) but sucks against any of his other hands. If he keeps betting big at me I will have a tough decision but he may trap with a big hand allowing me to showdown for less than my stack. Anyway this time he had the set of 5's so I'm a donk.
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:30 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Yuk, the dreaded minraise. I have found that it's a monster (or what your opponent thinks is a monster) about 95% of the time.
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:48 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Yuk, the dreaded minraise. I have found that it's a monster (or what your opponent thinks is a monster) about 95% of the time.
Yeah I thought of that as well. That's why I tend to find donks end up losing thier stack to a flush from me to thier set.
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Old 05-19-2007, 01:08 AM #15 (permalink)  
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I really doubt he calls a push here with Ax that doesnt beat you. He might call with A9+ but most of those beat you and I doubt many people (even fish) call an overbet push with <A8.
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