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Old 04-06-2006, 01:13 AM     Post subject: $10NL - Overpair turned Set with 3 to a flush #1 (permalink)  
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Im UTG and dealt TT, raise to 3xBB, the BB calls. Flop comes all unders, but there is a flush draw. I bet a little less than the pot (.5 into .65), he thinks for a bit and calls. The turn gives me a set but completes the flush, opponent checks and I bet a dollar. Looking back I think this was my error in the hand, but Im not all that sure. If I check and he pushes a non spade river, I ahve no idea where I stand. This table was fairly passive and I hadnt noticed any raises with air, so I felt like a bet of a dollar could easily get a fold, with a call id figure to be ahead, with a raise id put opponent on a flush. Is this thinking wrong? Anyways, he raises to $3 giving me about 2.8:1 on the call, I have 9 outs to a boat and 1 to quads, so 10 total. I need a little more than 3:1 to call, but if my opponent hit his flush, I will get paid off on the river if any of my 10 outs hit. So figuring in implied odds, this is a call, correct? Anyways, I call, river comes an ace, he pushes, I fold. What do you think of my thought process here?

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SB ($7.45)
BB ($10.25)
Hero ($26.95)
UTG+1 ($1.85)
MP1 ($9.15)
MP2 ($9.70)
CO ($5.25)
Button ($4.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
Hero raises to $0.3, 6 folds, BB calls $0.20.

Flop: ($0.65) 6, 9, 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.5, BB calls $0.50.

Turn: ($1.65) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $2.

River: ($7.65) A (2 players)
BB bets $6.45 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $14.10
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I like the turn bet, but his 3-bet lets you know it's push or fold time. Most of the time without a read I'd fold this. Also, I think limping TT from UTG is better than raising.
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I like the turn bet, but his 3-bet lets you know it's push or fold time. Most of the time without a read I'd fold this. Also, I think limping TT from UTG is better than raising.
UTG I like to vary my play with TT, about half the time I limp, the other have I raise, maybe this is a leak.

Anyways though, on the turn 3-bet I do not think there is anyway my opponent is folding and if he is betting here then he will push the river. So I can call here and see if I hit my outs, if I dont, then I fold, if I do then I call. It saves me from going broke when I dont think I have to. I could be way off base here, and if I am please tell me, but dont the implied odds mean I should atleast be calling here?
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If you think that opp won't get off his hand if the board pairs, then yes you do have implied odds. But without a read it's hard to tell what opponent will do.
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If you think that opp won't get off his hand if the board pairs, then yes you do have implied odds. But without a read it's hard to tell what opponent will do.
Maybe I should have clarified more in my OP, but I was sure that he was not getting off his hand with a "strong" [at this table] raise on the turn and fully expected a push on the river.
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If you think that opp won't get off his hand if the board pairs, then yes you do have implied odds. But without a read it's hard to tell what opponent will do.
Maybe I should have clarified more in my OP, but I was sure that he was not getting off his hand with a "strong" [at this table] raise on the turn and fully expected a push on the river.
In that case then yes, a call is the best move here. Good fold on the river, I'd say.
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:51 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 3x the big blind just don't cut it at these limits. You should raise at least .40 or .50 preflop. UTG I usually limp tens. Raising TT UTG invites an unpleasant situation at full ring where someone behind with JJ+ threebets you. You end up having to fold and give up an excellent stacking opportunity. I usually just limp TT-JJ from UTG and hope someone wakes up with AA/KK and look to flop a set and stackem.

Edited to ADD: As played after the flop, you played it fine I think.
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3x the big blind just don't cut it at these limits. You should raise at least .40 or .50 preflop. UTG I usually limp tens. Raising TT UTG invites an unpleasant situation at full ring where someone behind with JJ+ threebets you. You end up having to fold and give up an excellent stacking opportunity. I usually just limp TT-JJ from UTG and hope someone wakes up with AA/KK and look to flop a set and stackem.

Edited to ADD: As played after the flop, you played it fine I think.
Alright, thanks thats what I was thinking. Preflop I was getting too worrying about varying my bets and was going to bet my "standard" $0.50 but wanted to switch things up a little bit, preflop and the turn were really my main sources of question here.
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I like everything about the way you played it. He wont put you on a FH just because the board pairs. Hes more likely to think you have JJ-AA.

I tend to raise a little more than that preflop but it was getting unusually tight yesterday. I think you still get callers with 4BB though.
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