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spoonitnow
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10-20-2007, 06:15 PM
Post subject: $100nl Top 2 Pair: Good Fold/Bad Fold?
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($113.30)
CO ($196.45)
Button ($233)
SB ($58.50)
BB ($116.90)
UTG ($30.15)
UTG+1 ($159.65)
MP1 ($140.90)
MP2 ($100.10)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q , J .
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3.
Flop: ($12.50) Q, 8, J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, CO raises to $50, BB calls $50, Hero folds.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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wufwugy
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Sticking it in.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
Sticking it in.
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Clarify por favor.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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wufwugy
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Raised pot, top two, handful of draws, a few good made hands we beat, unknowns.
When you play a lot of hands in one stake/game, unknowns are typically not that good.
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wufwugy
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And if we're coolered, so what. We all get coolered.
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spoonitnow
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I'm just not convinced that I'm ahead enough to call here. CO bets close to 2x the pot, then BB flat calls? Even if BB is always on a draw, I don't think CO plays enough one-pair hands this way to make this profitable.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Miffed22001
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i cant see opp cold calling tiwth T9o, so only nut straight is T9s. Seems a strect hfor me, so its 88 or draw. I fancy the push.
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Renton
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fold
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wufwugy
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Fine, fold. Are you that afraid of T9 and that CO is scared of T9?
QJ7cc is the best possible flop for you. Do you also fold there? If so, then stop playing non pairs.
There are a bunch of players who raise draws big and call big raises with draws.
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Warpe
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We're shown a set here a lot (and I usually pay to see it).
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Renton
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its a totally standard fold
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spoonitnow
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Let's put the villains on a pretty wide shared range of KK+, JJ, 88, KQs, KTs, QJs, T9s, KQo, KTo, QJo, T9o.
Board: Qc 8c Jd
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.062% 29.75% 03.31% 773244 85988.00 { QdJc }
Hand 1: 33.469% 28.81% 04.65% 748852 120949.00 { above range }
Hand 2: 33.469% 28.81% 04.65% 748852 120949.00 { above range }
Since I doubt KQ stacks off here, let alone cold calls like BB did, I think it's pretty safe to say a fold is good here.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Hand 0: 33.062% 29.75% 03.31% 773244 85988.00 { QdJc }
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you'd be making a mistake by folding here because of the dead money in the pot.
Math:
$240.6 + 99.3 *.33062 - 99.3 = +$13.07 everytime you get all in.
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Renton
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Hand 0: 33.062% 29.75% 03.31% 773244 85988.00 { QdJc }
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you'd be making a mistake by folding here because of the dead money in the pot. |
a miniscule mistake
also that range is too wide.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
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Hand 0: 33.062% 29.75% 03.31% 773244 85988.00 { QdJc }
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you'd be making a mistake by folding here because of the dead money in the pot. |
a miniscule mistake
also that range is too wide. |
I agree with you but I was correcting his error because he wasn't thinking about the dead money which makes this a call.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
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Originally Posted by Renton
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
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Hand 0: 33.062% 29.75% 03.31% 773244 85988.00 { QdJc }
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you'd be making a mistake by folding here because of the dead money in the pot. |
a miniscule mistake
also that range is too wide. |
I agree with you but I was correcting his error because he wasn't thinking about the dead money which makes this a call. |
I was considering dead money on the decision but wanted to prove a point with an overly huge range. Nice catch though.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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