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10-22-2007, 02:14 PM
Post subject: $100nl QQ vs 40bb push pf
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($38)
Hero ($156.50)
UTG+1 ($100)
MP1 ($49)
MP2 ($164.50)
MP3 ($167.85)
CO ($100)
Button ($180.80)
SB ($93.50)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q , Q . CO posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $5, 7 folds, BB raises to $38, Hero ...
I need to win 43% of the time to break even, and QQ is 40% vs QQ+,AK so I figure a call is good here since I have no stats on villain. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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Fistpump insta call
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Originally Posted by Warpe
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Warpe
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AWWWW YOU CAN EAT, BABEEEEEE
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spoonitnow
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AWWWW YOU CAN EAT, BABEEEEEE
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lol nice
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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ChrisTheFish
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Yeah, i can't fold this. I have a habit of running into AK in this spot at least 265% of the time.
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djzcko
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Call...this is some Ax or sooted crap enough from short stacks to make it +EV.
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i like to come on keyboard, fastwank, then call.
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Post this hand with Tens next time to make it interesting.
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Setzy
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It's a call because he is unknown. He could be on tilt, overvalues medium pairs, etc.
For what it's worth, (and what I know or don't know about villain), unknowns I probably would call with TT.
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Save your stories 'cuz they're all the same..
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Yeah, i'd call 1010+ and AK.
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CALL.
yeah, it is QQ+/AK a lot here. but, its also complete trash a lot, too. with a 40bb stack you have to put him on a much wider range than QQ+/AK.
i put him on 88+,AJs+,AQo+,KJs+,KQo+ and a whole mix of other broadways....and i CRUSH this range.
shortys do very stupid things. most dont know how to short stack, they are just buying in to "shove all-in" w/o risking a lot of chips.
CALL.
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10-29-2007, 06:55 AM
Post subject: Re: $100nl QQ vs 40bb push pf
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I need to win 43% of the time to break even, and QQ is 40% vs QQ+,AK
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can you please post how you came up with these calculations? thanks
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10-29-2007, 01:29 PM
Post subject: Re: $100nl QQ vs 40bb push pf
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I need to win 43% of the time to break even, and QQ is 40% vs QQ+,AK
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can you please post how you came up with these calculations? thanks |
The % of time you need to win to break even is a pot odds thing. I'm calling $33 in a pot of $44.5 so the % is 33/(33+44.5) = 0.425 which I rounded to 43%. At the table it's easier to think of it as (amount to call)/(total pot after you call) which I think of here as about 33/77 which I know is 40-45% from quick estimation (it helps that I know 3/7ths is 0.428571 but that's because I'm a math nerd).
You can get QQ being 40% vs QQ+,AK from Poker Stove, but it's one of the kind of common ones I've come to "just know".
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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10-29-2007, 01:35 PM
Post subject: Re: $100nl QQ vs 40bb push pf
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pot odds is around 3:4 and our pot equity vs QQ+, AK is 40%. Anyways, going gamboll against unknown shorty should be a good thing.
297,940,896 games 0.005 secs 59,588,179,200 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.207% 38.35% 01.86% 114253440 5540034.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 59.793% 57.93% 01.86% 172607388 5540034.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I need to win 43% of the time to break even, and QQ is 40% vs QQ+,AK
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Post this hand with Tens next time to make it interesting.
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TT is an ezzzzz fold, JJ would be much tougher because then QQ+ AQ+ are all in opps range.
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