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Old 11-26-2007, 01:43 PM     Post subject: $100nl KK vs Flush Draw #1 (permalink)  
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MP2 ($99)
CO ($23.50)
Hero ($97.50)
SB ($183.15)
BB ($106.25)
UTG ($61)
UTG+1 ($110.95)
MP1 ($27.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $4.50, 1 fold, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($12) Q, 9, 2 (2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $15.

Turn: ($48) T (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $30, SB calls $29.

River: ($108) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $108

SB likes to lead with little tiny bets when he has a 8/9-out draw, as I've seen him do multiple times, so I'm almost certain he's on a flush draw. I think I should have bet the turn harder. River is obvious check. Thoughts?
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:00 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I like it but I would raise the turn a little harder.
 
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Old 11-26-2007, 07:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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If you raise turn harder to like $45 you might have committed yourself to call any river

Which may or may not be a bad thing.
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:15 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Here's a hand you may find relevant that Renton and I played. We both agreed that the river was a fold vs this opponent. I'm not sure if flop and turn should be larger raises, but they're definitely good as is. The other option is basically raising flop to 23/25 then pushing turn. In this situation, I dunno about that, but if we KNEW villian had a fd then raising larger on flop then getting it in on turn would probably be best. Yeah, the latter line has gotta be best, actually, since I don't wanna hafta consider folding to a shove on a blank river vs this station, and it's not like he's folding a jack.

MP3 ($402.30)
CO ($150)
Button ($197)
SB ($52)
BB ($208.45)
UTG ($197)
Hero ($267.20)
MP1 ($200)
MP2 ($193)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q.
UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 7 folds, UTG calls $7.

Flop: ($21) J, 8, 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $20, UTG calls $18.

Turn: ($61) T (2 players)
UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $54, UTG calls $52.

River: ($169) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $88, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $169
 
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:31 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Well played in the last one wufwugy. I don't see you or Renton that often at 1/2
 
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:20 AM #7 (permalink)  
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In the Kings hand, I really like shoving the turn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:45 AM #8 (permalink)  
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In the Kings hand, I really like shoving the turn.
Originally I dismissed a shove thinking that it made his decision too easy. Say I raise to $40, then a call is incorrect for him (if he just has 9 outs) but more likely than if I go all-in.

But now the more I think about it, the more I like pushing since it's likely he has more than 9 outs and it's likely that he's a dumbass and might call a shove with incorrect odds anyway.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:36 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 river may be a check, but its definitely not "obvious" and you should always entertain the option of making a veebee on this river generally. I'd be tempted to bet/fold like 19 bucks or something.

moral of the story is you should always at least consider it.
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:38 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 19 into 108? What?
 
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:50 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 yea why not
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:38 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 Actually, it's probably good vs this villian, but I don't like it vs a lot of others since we may get raised from time to time, and when they play a queen like this they call a bigger bet, and I don't think a worse pair plays turn like this.
 
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