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Old 11-30-2007, 01:59 PM     Post subject: $100nl JJ Hand - Pickup pot on turn? #1 (permalink)  
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CO ($145.90)
Button ($95.20)
SB ($94.20)
BB ($31.35)
UTG ($97.90)
UTG+1 ($100)
MP1 ($108.30)
Hero ($100)
MP3 ($106.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J.
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 3 folds, SB calls $4.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $4.

Flop: ($16) 9, A, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($16) T (3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $13

My first or second orbit at the table, SB is 23/6/3.0 and MP1 is 14/10/3.1.

I figure if either had an Ace then they would have bet by now with the draws on the board, etc etc. Also, I figure I have 5-6 outs, so is this spewing/okay/good/what?
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:14 PM #2 (permalink)  

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I think you're good on the turn. My only suggestion is to bet the flop to see where you are. You raised p/f, so you should get some respect.
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Old 11-30-2007, 05:44 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I don't really like a cbet here against two opponents but if I don't cbet then I think it sort of makes my turn bet transparent, idk.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:35 PM #4 (permalink)  
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turnbet is good. your giving away your hand, but that doesnt matter since none of your opponents seems to like their hand anyway. Pick up the pot or get some value from 88/hearts/(JT?)
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:39 PM #5 (permalink)  
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i would probably bet the flop as a protection/info/value/bluff bet. Its definitely profitable to bet the flop, the only reason you should check behind is if you think its more profitable (which is possible). I mainly bet the flop here because i think we get bluffed out on the turn a lot if we check.

As played, i think i'd just continue checking down. Your bet (especially at that size) accomplishes nothing.

nothing better folds, very little worse calls, and if someone has a big hand your equity in the pot (six outs) just got shut down.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:42 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I think there is more value if you left your opponents bluff the river, or them thinking they have the best of it with a QT type hand. You have position, you have gone PFR/check/check
 
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:18 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I think there is more value if you left your opponents bluff the river, or them thinking they have the best of it with a QT type hand. You have position, you have gone PFR/check/check
 
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Old 12-01-2007, 05:54 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I like.

Betting flop is good, but I check because I like adding in more checking where I think the EV is at least close to cbetting. I honestly prefer betting here as opposed to if it was HU. HU we get played back at more by hands we beat.

I'm not really afraid of getting bluffed off the turn since it's three-handed instead of two and any scare card for us is also for opposition. Except for a heart. This is a great card for the tag if the fish checks; he can then bet with a high likelyhood of us both folding. He probably won't unless he's one of the better tags at 50/1. If blank hits turn, I'm most likely calling a bet from the tag. Lower likelyhood of calling a Q or K, but still I will sometimes.

I like betting the turn when flop checks through because of the fish. He'll call with a bit of stuff that we beat that he won't bet.

I honestly do not know which line i like best.
 
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:37 PM #9 (permalink)  
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checking flop would actually be better/standard in a heads up pot. The 3 way pot makes it a lot harder for us to call a turn bluff, and also makes it more likely that we have to face a bet on the turn.
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