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spoonitnow
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12-04-2007, 10:13 PM
Post subject: $100nl Blind Defense
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG+1 ($142.35)
MP1 ($106)
MP2 ($55.15)
MP3 ($93)
CO ($92)
Button ($184.50)
Hero ($112.30)
BB ($213.30)
UTG ($26.35)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 2 , 6 .
6 folds, Button raises to $3, Hero raises to $10.5, 1 fold, Button folds.
Final Pot: $7
BB is ubernit 9/4 or something. NOTE BB IS NOT VILLAIN HERE.
How high does villain's attempt to steal need to be for this, and what sort of bet sizing do you recommend here?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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I like to have at least a little bit of a hand when I defend, like 75o or A3s, against such a nit I usually don´t fight at all from SB, b/c he´s a nit (obv) and BB is left to act.
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spoonitnow
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How do you know villain is a nit? And you didn't really answer my question?
Edit: So if villain had attempted to steal 100 times out of 100, you wouldn't defend here?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Miffed22001
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with villains stats if hes half good he should auto raise your blind.
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sorry, misread that, took the raiser as the described nit.
I´d like to see a attempt to steal >30 and to have a tight image. since you have more than 100BB behind I like a bigger raise to 12-13, to make implied odds look worse and keep him from calling with lower pp´s against which we´re far behind.
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i would be more likely to do it if he has shown he will fold either pf or on the flop easily without a hand. i.e. he plays straightforward in 3bet pots, and has no reason to suspect you are defending.
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Maybe wait till you have 65s or maybe just 65. I like range polarization when 3betting, but 62 isn't really smart polarization. But really it so often matters on the game flow so it doesn't really matter.
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Ni Han sir.
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spoonitnow
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Goddamn it's hard to get you people to answer a question sometimes.
At what point does his attempt to steal % reach a number that it's profitable to 3-bet with ATC? Does this point exist?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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wow... you just brought the saying 'any two' to a whole new level. You must have a good read on button to be able to make this sort of move with such garbage. I'm waiting for something we could work with.
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You didn't explicitly ask ATC in the OP. Your move can be profitable vs somebody you wouldn't wanna 3bet with ATC. IMO, 3betting is largely a balancing act with game flow. If he's been raising a lot or you've been folding a lot then go ahead and 3bet ATC, but if you've been 3betting a lot and he's been folding a lot then you wanna 3bet real tight.
If the aggro stealer knows you're aggro restealing then he's gonna aggro reresteal.
This is partly why I like 3betting with a polarized range instead of balanced one. 3bet pots seem to be 'felt or fold', and 3betting medium-big hands can get you into a lot of tough spots.
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
wow... you just brought the saying 'any two' to a whole new level. You must have a good read on button to be able to make this sort of move with such garbage. I'm waiting for something we could work with.
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button should auto-raise BBs blind anf fold ay flop bb takes unless he has a super strong hand.
therefore he should open like 100% from his button, so spoon should 3 bet 75% or so here, actual hands are irrelevant, how buttons hand plays to a 3 bet is.
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Why is button only concerning themselves with the BB? SB should be taken into consideration here as well. I mean, if button knew that sb was 3betting 75% of hands in this situation, button would probably not open.
<---- devil's advocate because I see your point, and most buttons do not include multi level thinking in regards to sb's actions here.
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Why is button only concerning themselves with the BB? SB should be taken into consideration here as well. I mean, if button knew that sb was 3betting 75% of hands in this situation, button would probably not open.
<---- devil's advocate because I see your point, and most buttons do not include multi level thinking in regards to sb's actions here.
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assume spoon is 14/10 or something, and 3 bets every hand he ever plays, you should still open 100% from the button because spoon folds 85% and you lose the pot the rest of the time, forgetting teh times he 3 bets and you have a real hand.
Its simple ranges for me, button wont be thinking on anything above the cards he has, and even if he opens 30% from the button, only 5% of his range can really call a 3bet, so that gives you an instant 3bet his button advantage.
The only problem you have is how fast your opponent adapts knowing you'll 3bet every time he opens
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tough to assume someone who 3bets everyhand they play is a 14/10
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
tough to assume someone who 3bets everyhand they play is a 14/10
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Quit being all omfg, it's just an example.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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