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Old 09-12-2007, 09:36 PM     Post subject: $100nl - Bet or Check/Call River? #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is 18/10/3.8

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($106.40)
MP2 ($57.40)
MP3 ($82.60)
CO ($100.55)
Button ($153.40)
SB ($23)
BB ($36.30)
Hero ($100)
UTG+1 ($106.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4, 4.
Hero raises to $4, 5 folds, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 4, 9, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8.

Turn: ($25.50) J (2 players)
Hero bets $18, Button calls $18.

River: ($61.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero ...

I think it's kind of obvious that villain has either the nut flush draw or the nut flush and so this should be a check/call. Am I missing anything?
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:39 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Check only if you know he'll bet, then call him.
Betting out is best if you have a read that he'll call you down. Unless villain has a made flush, in which case he'll be raising you here...


I think I like check/call here more.
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:53 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Check only if you know he'll bet, then call him.
Betting out is best if you have a read that he'll call you down. Unless villain has a made flush, in which case he'll be raising you here...

I think I like check/call here more.
That's what I'm saying, I don't think he calls unless he has something like the fluke AA-QQ with the flush draw which seems extremely unlikely given the preflop action.

Just wondering if I'm missing anything like other possible hands he could have.
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:11 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 question what does this mean:

Villain is 18/10/3.8

I know it refers to the PT stats right but what exactly? I feel like a noob asking it.
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Old 09-12-2007, 10:16 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 VP$IP%/PFR%/AF

I c/c as well 'cause I don't want to call a raise/push.



 
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VP$IP%/PFR%/AF

I c/c as well 'cause I don't want to call a raise/push.
Do you call a push after checking?
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.

Rule # 1: don't ask questions

Rule # 2: don't ask questions

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 depends on my read on opp...a push will often be a bluff, but pushing the nuts is the all the rage these days...there's not enough read to say



 
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did you see villain push and showdown the nuts earlier?
or did you see him bet for value?
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 /AF = ???

Edit: nevermind aggression factor right?
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/AF = ???

Edit: nevermind aggression factor right?
Right.

Anything I knew about his recent showdowns I can't recall at the moment.

I check/called about 3/4ths of the pot and he had A9 with the nut draw.
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:47 AM #11 (permalink)  
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bet/fold
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bet/call

dont check/call
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 he doesnt just have the nut flush draw or nut flush.

I like bet/fold.
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he doesnt just have the nut flush draw or nut flush.

I like bet/fold.
Explain? I don't know of any other hands that call two bets here without raising or folding or something.

P.S. I probably should have said high flush/high flush draw instead of nut, it's what I was thinking when I typed it.
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 bet/fold and bet/call are wayy much better than c/c

reasoning is he will put you on a missed Acx or Kcx and call with a pair or two, and if he raises you can either:

1)call because hes a lagtard maniac
2)fold b/c he'd never bluff on this board

You miss a lot of value with c/c
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 Yeah, I bet/fold. Weaker still calls sometimes, and only stronger hands raise.
 
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