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spoonitnow

11-04-2007, 03:18 PM Post subject: $100nl AQ tp2k same old shit

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($25.50)
Button ($98.60)
SB ($21)
BB ($220.10)
UTG ($73.25)
UTG+1 ($283.50)
MP1 ($98)
MP2 ($72.90)
Hero ($100.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q

, A

.
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5, 4 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) A

, 4

, 7

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($11.50) 6

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7.

River: ($25.50) 9

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $15, UTG calls $15.

Final Pot: $55.50

1. Should have bet more on turn y/n/m?
2. Figured he would probably lead with a flush on the river and tried to get some value. Bad y/n/m?

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Clar17y

11-04-2007, 07:19 PM

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I see you guys playing this line often when you flop TP from being the PFR, especially with an ace.
Is this so that weaker hands will call you down all the way as they won't put you on an ace?
When, after being the PFR would you lead out on the flop rather than check it? Maybe when the board is dangerous and semi-co-ordinated and you don't want a draw to get a free card?

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Chicago_Kid

11-04-2007, 09:03 PM

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Assuming you got out drawn rather than outflopped, and that villian hit two pr/str8 since no river raise?

Either way, the flop bet here is pretty standard, unless villian is proven bluffer in position. Sometimes this backfires, or course. When that second diamond hit, if he has a pr and a draw, it's not surprising he called after you checked flop.

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spoonitnow

11-04-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicago_Kid

Either way, the flop bet here is pretty standard, unless villian is proven bluffer in position.

I'm not so sure about this.

Renton

11-05-2007, 01:35 AM

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flop check is standard.

I would bet 9 on the turn and a little more on the river.

This hand is played pretty well.

also its really weak spoon that you rarely post reads on players. Against loose and bad players betting the flop would ofc be standard.

breathweapon

11-05-2007, 01:49 AM

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I hate this line against limpers, you know they're either playing an implied value hand that has to improve or AA/AK like a nit, so you can't give them free cards and you can't check it down and get robbed to a bet on the end either.

I don't think the bet on the river makes sense, if they have AXs or PP there, then they're calling the turn bet because they think it was a stab, and they're calling the river bet because they think they have the best hand. If you check the river, then you get them to bet AXs or PP and can either call for value or consider re-raising it for value or to bluff the flush. If he hit 2 pair or a straight, well, that's why you don't give limpers free cards.

I'm sure his hand was something that could beat one pair but not a flush.

Edit: I don't think this line is standard, even tho' it's a rainbow flop with top pair, the best it can hope for is C/Ring AXs or PP, and you may get AXs to RR you any way if you bet. I'd check this if he called from behind, but checking this when he limped in and then betting the river is suspect.

Renton

11-05-2007, 03:07 AM

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breath, if his range is either hands that have us crushed (AA/AK, sets) or hands that are drawing to two outs (busted suited connectors and pairs), then why is betting the flop the right play?

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11-05-2007, 04:46 AM

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I only like betting out with an aggro enough image to get weaker hands to play back at us. Also against terrible players who will call with worse hands.

The unimaginative ABC TAgg is the new fish and betting out here 100% of the time against him can't be right.

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spoonitnow

11-05-2007, 04:01 PM

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The unimaginative ABC TAgg is the new fish and betting out here 100% of the time against him can't be right.

Awesome.

So question for you all: does our river play change if the river is the 7

Setzy

11-05-2007, 06:41 PM

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I disagree with the above.

I'd rather bet the flop and turn and check behind on the river. When the villain calls on the flop and turn it gives you more information about what his hand could be, whereas checking in this situation leaves you with a lot more question marks.

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spoonitnow

11-05-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Setzy

Since we're in position, with this line we won't have the luxury of checking behind on the river if villain plays hands that beat us well imo.

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