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spoonitnow
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10-23-2007, 07:22 PM
Post subject: $100nl AA in 4-bet pot
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Villain is 12/5/3.6 with 100% cbet% after over 250 hands and flop aggression of 5.0.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG+1 ($55.35)
MP1 ($191.50)
MP2 ($32.10)
MP3 ($136.10)
Hero ($104)
Button ($116.45)
SB ($45.35)
BB ($106.95)
UTG ($120.45)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , A .
UTG calls $1, 4 folds, Hero raises to $5, Button raises to $12, 2 folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to $38, Button calls $26.
Flop: ($78.50) 7 , 6, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $66 (All-In), Button calls $66.
Turn: ($0) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($0) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $210.50
Since Villain's stats indicate that he's really aggressive on the flop, is a flop check-raise all-in more appropriate here to try to get more value out of the occasional AK? Or do I lose too much value from the times he checks behind and catches up with a 2-outer or AKs?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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Setzy
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After 4-betting preflop and getting a call, there are very few hands villain could have that aren't going to go straight to the felt on the flop. (AKs that whiffs is just about it, maybe JJ/QQ with like AKx flops or monotone flops that villain misses), but for the most part just put it all in, and expect to get a call.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Setzy
After 4-betting preflop and getting a call, there are very few hands villain could have that aren't going to go straight to the felt on the flop. (AKs that whiffs is just about it, maybe JJ/QQ with like AKx flops or monotone flops that villain misses), but for the most part just put it all in, and expect to get a call.
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But if I'm getting it in no matter what against most hands, what about the hands that aren't going to automatically call a push? I beat all hands that fit this description, so doesn't it make sense to try to get more value out of them by checking the flop because of the times they will bet?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Setzy
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In one of those Sklansky books (I honestly forget which), he talks about how it's a "mathmatical catastrophe" to give your opponents free cards when they would have called a bet. You have the best hand and an opponent willing to give up almost half his stack preflop...why get fancy?
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Setzy
In one of those Sklansky books (I honestly forget which), he talks about how it's a "mathmatical catastrophe" to give your opponents free cards when they would have called a bet. You have the best hand and an opponent willing to give up almost half his stack preflop...why get fancy?
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That's my point exactly -- villain won't call here with AKo, but he'll likely push.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Setzy
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Maybe...but like you asked in the original post, I think the value is worse because of the times he catches up.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Setzy
Maybe...but like you asked in the original post, I think the value is worse because of the times he catches up.
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It seems to be pretty close. I think with a better idea of how villain reacts to the check we can make a more tailored decision.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Setzy
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Agreed. Something else though... does 100% cbet factor in when he is calling preflop instead of making the last raise?
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Setzy
Agreed. Something else though... does 100% cbet factor in when he is calling preflop instead of making the last raise?
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Yeah see, the dude being so aggressive on the flop is what made me think of this in the first place, so that's a major factor.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Fnord
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Checking this flop would be really silly.
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shahrad
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A clear push. So much money in the pot and Checking? No way.
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BankItDrew
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Don't ever be worried about flush draws not cbetting the flop or not calling a push. you had less than the size of the pot, auto push. villain showed mad strength preflop, auto push, villain probably has a big pair and less likely a big ace, auto push.
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