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spoonitnow

11-04-2007, 03:10 PM Post subject: $100nl 88 from the blinds

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UTG ($20.40)
UTG+1 ($16.85)
MP1 ($84.95)
MP2 ($51.45)
MP3 ($279.40)
CO ($98.50)
Button ($119.10)
Hero ($148.75)
BB ($50.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8

, 8

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5 folds, CO raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($7) 4

, 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero raises to $15, CO calls $11.

Turn: ($33) T

(2 players)
Hero ...

Villain is TAGG, something like 15/9 or 17/11, I don't remember exactly.

After the turn I beat 77 and maybe overcards, but I'm out of position and after he called my flop check/raise, I feel like I'm probably behind. Check/folding seems weak to me but bet/folding seems like I'm spewing.

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breathweapon

11-04-2007, 09:08 PM

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Flat call, bet, re-raise, call gives credit for semi-bluffing the flush. Even if he has over cards, you could've flat called with a range that hit that flop, and he could just be using his position. You shouldn't have called the re-raise unless you were planning on semi-bluffing the turn any way.

Bet and fold to a re-raise, if he smooth calls, you can put up the blocking bet.

Edit: The flop is more interesting than the turn. That is a case book example of a C/R, because your opponent knows that the only way for you to win this hand is to bet, and since the board is no man's land, he can just bluff the over pair with Ace high or re-raise with a worse PP. If you check this flop, he's going to stick his hand in the cookie jar, and then you can raise to figure out where you're at. It communicates flush draw, straight draw, ace high, a pair or trips to the opponent. He can't continue with 2 over cards and he has to bet you off of a draw with an over pair.

If there isn't a A, K or Q on the board, and you're playing against the Button/CO from the blinds, C/R you're missed sets against TAGGs.

spoonitnow

11-04-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by breathweapon

You shouldn't have called the re-raise unless you were planning on semi-bluffing the turn any way.

I never called a re-raise in this hand.

AHiltz

11-05-2007, 12:15 AM

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I have been flat calling that flop a lot lately. Makes your hand look stronger than it is, and then you can bet/raise scare cards like that on the turn/river.

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11-05-2007, 12:34 AM

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I bet the turn and give up if called or raised. I find that he has JJ-AA almost every time here and firing the river will only get snapcalled. Also, lead the damn flop, if he calls shut down because they almost never fold their high PP.

breathweapon

11-05-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by breathweapon

You shouldn't have called the re-raise unless you were planning on semi-bluffing the turn any way.

I never called a re-raise in this hand.

Oh shit, I had it backwards. In that case, him just calling the C/R is a possible sign of weakness here. If you bet the turn card, I can't see how he can continue unless he has an over pair with a redraw.

I have no idea what to do on the river if he flat calls twice tho'. The Blocking Bet is still an option, an over bet pot bluff could work if you burned him with it before, an All In puts the burden on him and a check surrenders the hand. I'd at least min bet the river just to see if he'll give it up or serve as a place holder for a potential re-raise.

So the turn seems like an auto-bet, and the river would just be gross.

Renton

11-05-2007, 01:31 AM

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i'd rather c/c or lead this flop. C/r is ok, but the thing is its a semi bluff and not a value play. When you c/r this flop is with the intention of not putting any more money in after. So now that he's called you can c/f.

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11-05-2007, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Renton

C/ring here is one of the most common lines for a draw OP, considering he called it on the flop and the draw hit, C/fing here is nitty. C/ring isn't to avoid putting in any more money into the pot, it's to convert the equity in a draw into a resteal against the button by making it too costly for him to go over the top. If you aren't willing to bluff one more street, especially after he shows weakness and a scare card hits, then you should have never checked the flop in the first place.

You really have to play their hand and the board instead of your hand. I think he's pissing his pants with either AK or another PP. The worst thing that could happen is that he was on the flush draw, but you can't know that until you bet the turn, and checking the turn concedes the hand.

PP aren't as binary as people give them credit for. I hate betting them on the river, but betting them on the turn is second nature now. Draws, middle/low pair and even top pair low kicker have to give it up more often than not.

Renton

11-05-2007, 03:04 AM

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yeah i guess you could argue for bluffing since the draw hit, but since this is low stakes, basically you are going to have a hard time getting him to fold AA or KK, and an impossible time getting him to fold JhJ QhQ KhK and AhA

Therefore i still think its a c/f.

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