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Old 06-14-2005, 09:55 PM     Post subject: $1 for a Jack anyone? #1 (permalink)  
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I don't know if I shoulda chased this or not. I figure I've got only 7 outs to make a hand worth betting at the river so I folded. The table was basically calling down every hand (BPGK and up).

Stage #139646795: Holdem Normal $0.50/$1 [ 2005-06-14 03:13:19 ]
Seat 1 - DIMITRE $15.99 in chips
Seat 3 - CALLITALL333 $19.73 in chips
Seat 4 - DONATELLO888 $40.01 in chips
Seat 5 - THEEEGGMAN $21.50 in chips
Seat 6 - DANISH911 $8.90 in chips
Seat 9 - EXPERIENCED $11.67 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 3] ***
DONATELLO888 - Post small blind $0.25
THEEEGGMAN - Post big blind $0.50
THEEEGGMAN - Pocket [Ad,Qh]
DANISH911 - Calls $0.50
EXPERIENCED - Folds
DIMITRE - Calls $0.50
CALLITALL333 - Calls $0.50
DONATELLO888 - Calls $0.25
THEEEGGMAN - Raises $0 to $1
DANISH911 - Calls $0.50
DIMITRE - Calls $0.50
CALLITALL333 - Calls $0.50
DONATELLO888 - Calls $0.50
*** FLOP [3h,10s,9s] ***
DONATELLO888 - Checks
THEEEGGMAN - Bets $0.50
DANISH911 - Folds
DIMITRE - Calls $0.50
CALLITALL333 - Calls $0.50
DONATELLO888 - Calls $0.50
*** TURN [3h,10s,9s,Kh] ***
DONATELLO888 - Checks
THEEEGGMAN - Checks
DIMITRE - Bets $1
CALLITALL333 - Calls $1
DONATELLO888 - Calls $1
THEEEGGMAN - Folds
*** RIVER [3h,10s,9s,Kh,Js] ***
DONATELLO888 - Checks
DIMITRE - Checks
CALLITALL333 - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DONATELLO888 - Show cards [7c,3c]
DIMITRE - Show cards [6c,10c]
CALLITALL333 - Show cards [9d,Qc]
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($10) Rake ($0.50)
Board [3h,10s,9s,Kh,Js]
DIMITRE - HI:One pair, tens [6c,10c - B:10s,P:10c,B:Kh,B:Js,B:9s]
CALLITALL333 - Total ($9.50) HI$9.50)Straight, nine to king [9d,Qc -
B:Kh,P:Qc,B:Js,B:10s,B:9s]
DONATELLO888 - HI:One pair, threes [7c,3c - B:3h,P:3c,B:Kh,B:Js,B:10s]

Bison converter doesn't seem to work with AP HHs.
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Old 06-14-2005, 11:05 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Your pot odds here were like 10:1. Even for a four outer, that's decent - and with everyone calling everything, if you hit it you know you're making another $3 or $4.

By the way, I really only like the jacks as outs. Not sure what you think the other 3 are, but any card that puts three broadways on the board while only giving you one pair is not a very happy card. Especially with like four people in the hand. The queens are bad because they make a straight for any jack; the aces are bad because people play crap hands like AT, A9 and A3 all day long.

Why do you min-raise pre-flop?
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Your pot odds here were like 10:1. Even for a four outer, that's decent - and with everyone calling everything, if you hit it you know you're making another $3 or $4.
Shit. I thought you might say that. Still working out my on-the-fly odds calculator.

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Why do you min-raise pre-flop?
Limit.
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Old 06-15-2005, 12:40 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Limit.
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Limit.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Dude, that is the one word that has saved my bankroll more than once.
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Old 06-15-2005, 12:46 AM #6 (permalink)  
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well OK the game just gives me a headache is all.. also I think you want to post this in the limit forum, as this is for No limit hands...
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Old 06-15-2005, 01:03 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Oops. Thought it was where I should post HHs but I guess they should go with fnord's. Mod please move.
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Old 06-15-2005, 01:59 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Well, if the table calls down with anything, I only like 3 of my outs as the Js very well has me beat. So I dont think you are getting the right pot odds to make this call....You would need about $14 in the pot to make the call i believe.

The results of the hand shouldnt change the fact that it was a good fold......also your skimming by if you think your 4 outs are good.....

But then again, im not a limit guy.
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Old 06-15-2005, 08:00 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Well, if the table calls down with anything, I only like 3 of my outs as the Js very well has me beat. So I dont think you are getting the right pot odds to make this call....You would need about $14 in the pot to make the call i believe.

The results of the hand shouldnt change the fact that it was a good fold......also your skimming by if you think your 4 outs are good.....

But then again, im not a limit guy.
10$ in the pot makes the call profitable.

i think the 4 outer draw is like 10.5:1 to catch, so you need a pot laying you 11:1

if the pot lays you 10:1 on your call, you can call for implied odds of catching an extra bet or two on the river if you hit, and if you miss, fold.


but i like your fold, one of your outs is dirty because it gives someone else a flush.
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