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DavSimon
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01-12-2006, 05:50 PM
Post subject: Disappointing Behavior...
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2004
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How do I put this delicately…ah screw it, I don’t do delicate very well. I was not only shocked, but was extremely disappointed in how many FTR members conducted themselves last night in the Gauntlet. I won’t call anyone out here, but I am wondering when this friendly competition became so nasty. Berating, scolding, rebuking, demeaning and criticizing your opponents for making a bad play…when did all this become acceptable behavior? Do you people not understand that getting all in with A-K against A-T is something you want, of course they will hit their 3-outer occasionally, but you can’t control the cards….or your opponent, you just hope they keep making those mistakes. You want people to make bad calls against you….how else can you win….the nuts don’t come often enough in a tournament for you to make progress so you have to take your advantage and hope your opponent makes a bad play. If the bad play works out for him, yes it is disappointing but you did the right thing and your opponent just got positive reinforcement for doing the wrong thing. Lou Krieger once wrote; “If you can’t beat an opponent who continually takes the worst of it, who can you beat?”
Is it your job to educate your opponents….to make yourself look better than them….somehow smarter, because you know they made a bad play….why do that? Here is a good rule to follow: Don’t comment on or critique an opponent’s play (friend or foe) unless they ask for input. Yes….yes, I occasionally comment on my opponents play, but usually because they are doing the right thing. I ask them if they plan on raising my blind every orbit….I tease them for raising so much (taking away correct odds for me to draw) I am trying to get them to do the wrong thing…..I don’t berate them for making a bad play that takes me out of a tournament….I want that AI call from A-J when I have K-K…if he hits the ace….oh well.
I’m wondering if people are getting so upset because they didn’t make the money in the tournament. If that is the case you need to find somewhere else to make money. I assure you there are easier $10 tourneys to be found on the internet. The gauntlet is a grouping of generally good poker players all trying to out play each other and/or have fun. Not exactly easy pickings or a fish-fest….sure people make mistakes…make bad plays….you don’t? People you really need to maintain emotional control….every time you give in to the urge to criticize your opponent brings you one step closer to perma-tilt and one step further away from being a winning player. And most importantly….if you are not having fun playing in these Gauntlets, then why are you playing them?
Edit: this was not inspired by the "beats from bob" thread, there were several other incidents last night that really surprised me and I intended on commenting today.
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Rondavu
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That's a shame. I've only played in a couple of them because of the time and day they're on, but it seemed ok when I played. I hope people aren't acting like asswipes. Are you sure you're not mistaking it?
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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WildBobAA
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I think a large part of it is that many of the gauntlet players are people who have 1 post and that post is to register in the gauntlet. These people don't really care about the FTR community at all.
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DavSimon
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Full House
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Are you sure you're not mistaking it?
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There is always a good amount of needling going on in the Gauntlets....basically good natured teasing. What I witnessed was not good natured...in the least. None of it was directed towards me, but the nastiness and complete uselesness of the comments bothered me.
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donkbee
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I think it is a good idea to call people out in this case, Dave. People tend to ignore criticisms like this unless they are directed towards them specifically, and only then do they realize that they were at fault.
I personally love playing these league games because they're both really fun and really good for learning. You're right, some people need to chill out and realize that these games are definitely played more for the fun aspect than anything else. Although I do believe that, for the most part, the people there are suitably good natured 
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midas06
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Originally Posted by WildBobAA
I think a large part of it is that many of the gauntlet players are people who have 1 post and that post is to register in the gauntlet. These people don't really care about the FTR community at all.
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Amen brother, amen.
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Xianti
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I think a large part of it is that many of the gauntlet players are people who have 1 post and that post is to register in the gauntlet. These people don't really care about the FTR community at all.
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Amen brother, amen. |
The veteran FTR'ers should politely tell the n00bs to tone down the attitude in-game. These 1-posters may never read threads like this.
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Muxy
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Post is directed to me, I even said after the game to Bob everything i said i didnt mean it was all a joke. But you know guys lets put our sunglasses and Pokerstars hoodies and go back to being serious.
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DavSimon
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Full House
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Muxy this was not directed to you....you are a talker and you enjoy having a good time and that is how what you said was taken.
Perhaps I too often fall into the trap of expecting other people to take the game as seriously as I do, meaning always trying to improve myself and exercise emotional control. Most of the people I know from FTR come here to improve themselves and enjoy feeling like a part of a community....but it seems as though lately some have come here just to argue and cause inner strife. Thier goal is not to improve themselves but to somehow affirm thier sense of superiority and prove how much better they are than the next guy. Anyway I will try to leave this thread with a productive thought in case one of the offender does read it.
There are many different nuances to the game....many valid approaches and no perfect players. Getting angry about one play...losing one hand...one tournament and giving in to that anger by berating your opponent does nothing but hurt you. If you don't understand and follow this rule then you will definately lose a lot of money until you do learn this simple lesson.
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biondino
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I became a member of a (different) poker community after fishily playing J9s and sucking out on a solid, tight player who proceeded to tell me how wrong my moves were. I responded and he puffed himself out, but he appreciated my level-headed discussion of my play, no matter how bad it was, and recommended I join the site. He turned out to be an excellent fellow and, although it's very different to FTR in that it's a small, UK-centric, bijou forum, I now spend more time there than I do here as it's hard to relate to much on a personal level on FTR.
I am intrigued about players who join FTR just to play the Gauntlet - is it very prestigious? It seems odd to purposely commit to a harder-than-normal game when you have no loyalty or emotional ties to the community.
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Kaartkeizer
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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I think a large part of it is that many of the gauntlet players are people who have 1 post and that post is to register in the gauntlet. These people don't really care about the FTR community at all.
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Amen brother, amen. |
The veteran FTR'ers should politely tell the n00bs to tone down the attitude in-game. These 1-posters may never read threads like this. |
In last Sunday's game there was this player str8upgr8up who was not only abusive but racist as well. Xianti, you didn't say anything about it. For many members here you are the head honcho, if you say something about it others will follow your lead.
I don't accept any kind of talk like that so I send an email to support and they chat banned him. I advise everyone to do the same next time. They might have ruined your game but don't give them the chance to ruin another game. Because if they can they will.
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Monty9
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Good day,
I am a new comer to your tournament.
Notice what I just said "YOUR" tournament.
Most of the players are the founders and CORE of FTR. Myself and the others are here by invition, I consider myself a guest and will act accordingly. You should act like hosts.
I know you don't want to want to play "POKER POLICE" when you sit down to an afternoon or evening of poker with your buds but thats what being
"MANAGMENT" is all about. I heard alot of players crying about the turnouts so you sent out more RFPs and you got what you asked for.
You opened the door of the aslyum and now you have to deal with all the CRAZIES.
I have only played in two events and didnt notice any problems, though I was knocked out pretty early in both ( always start out with like 5 of the top 10 at my table) LOL.
Hope to see all you ( politically correct) guys on Sunday.
and ... Thanks again for letting me play in your tournament.
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Xianti
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n last Sunday's game there was this player str8upgr8up who was not only abusive but racist as well. Xianti, you didn't say anything about it.
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I missed it. I wasn't watching every table. I don't play in the Gauntlet to police them, but if someone is acting like an idiot at my table, I'll certainly say something.
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Xianti
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Originally Posted by biondino
I am intrigued about players who join FTR just to play the Gauntlet - is it very prestigious? It seems odd to purposely commit to a harder-than-normal game when you have no loyalty or emotional ties to the community.
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I don't think most of the 1-posting Gauntlet n00bs understand what they're getting themselves into.
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Ayodeji13
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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haha, i certainly don't ... my first game today and wow was it tuff
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wickedwonder
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02-12-2006, 05:32 PM
Post subject: Today will be my first tourn. with this League
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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I am intrigued about players who join FTR just to play the Gauntlet - is it very prestigious? It seems odd to purposely commit to a harder-than-normal game when you have no loyalty or emotional ties to the community.
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I don't think most of the 1-posting Gauntlet n00bs understand what they're getting themselves into. |
My reason for joining is to play with players who respect the game. I'm tired of playing with players who play every tourn. that has a buy in under $l00 like a freeroll. I don't want to invest the money to play with those that are probably better players...those that do play the higher buyin tourns.
Reading alot of the posts here, it seems that most respect the game and that there are alot of good players. Not that I'm putting myself in that category, but like many others, I want to learn from those that are better than myself.
Good Luck to all.
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azureXsmurF
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Straight
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Delaware, USA
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Eh, it's the internet, there's bound to be people making asses of themselves even among familiar company. I'd just consider blocking their chat if they get to be really nasty.
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Sparky823
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Bradenton, FL
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Agreed...
Though I am only a "1 or 2 post" guy, the competition level here is exceptional. I appreciate the opportunity to match my skills against other players who play more for pride than money. I've learned quite a bit about tournament play here and will certainly be a fixture on the next Gauntlet.
That being said, it is a tad annoying to see some of the in-game commentary from the players. A little good natured razzing is all in good fun - but some folks take it too far. There's no need to berate someones play no matter how terrible it might seem. Everyone makes a retarded call or gets caught bluffing from time to time. Besides...without fish, what would the sharks eat?
Good luck all.
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Is it really that difficult to say "nice hand" when someone beats you? For God's sake, show a little class...
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