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Muxy

01-12-2006, 04:54 AM Post subject: BEATS FROM BOB!!!!

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Title is funny, this guy is a fish on a life long upswing. JK man played a solid game i just want to post some hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Muxy (t25418)
Button (t9603)
SB =#A500AF(WildBob182)/ (t9979)

Preflop: Muxy is BB with J

, A

.
1 fold, SB =#A500AF(WildBob182)/ completes, Muxy raises to t1800, SB =#A500AF(WildBob182)/ raises to t9979, Muxy calls t8129.

Flop: (t19958) 8

, 6

, K

(2 players)

Turn: (t19958) J

(2 players)

River: (t19958) 6

(2 players)

Final Pot: t19958

Results in white below:
Muxy has Js As (two pair, jacks and sixes).
WildBob182 has Ac 6c (three of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: WildBob182 wins t19958.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (2 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t29942)
Button =#A500AF(WildBob182)/ (t15058)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

, K

.
Button =#A500AF(WildBob182)/ raises to t2000, Hero calls t1200.

Flop: (t3250) 6

, 5

, K

(2 players)
Hero checks, WildBob182 bets t2500, Hero raises to t5000, WildBob182 raises to t13008, Hero calls t8008.

Turn: (t29266) Q

(2 players)

River: (t29266) 3

(2 players)

Final Pot: t29266

Results in white below:
Hero has Td Kd (one pair, kings).
WildBob182 has Ks 3h (two pair, kings and threes).
Outcome: WildBob182 wins t29266.

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01-12-2006, 05:02 AM

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GG man, you outplayed me both of those hands and I sucked out like a donk

I had to go w/ the 2nd hand though after your raise. I had 1/3 of my stack in the pot and I had top pair. Plus I thought you were bullying me. Bad read I know.

Also, I was getting pretty upset over the trash talk at the FT but now I realize it was a strategy to get me on tilt and I can respect that.

GG sir.

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01-12-2006, 05:17 AM

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Also for whoever the railbirds were who were busting my balls for making this call. I was getting over 2:1. Mathematically I need to be 31% to make this a break even play. As the cards were dealt I was exactly 31% to win so this was a break even play. Add to that the chance to take out another player and I have to make this call.

*********** # 269 **************
PokerStars Game #3609459260: Tournament #17153728, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX
(300/600) - 2006/01/12 - 00:14:00 (ET)
Table '17153728 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: JesGru (2163 in chips)
Seat 2: Muxxxy (8912 in chips)
Seat 3: lambchopdc (13115 in chips)
Seat 6: ihategnome (9944 in chips)
Seat 8: WildBob182 (10866 in chips)
JesGru: posts the ante 50
Muxxxy: posts the ante 50
lambchopdc: posts the ante 50
ihategnome: posts the ante 50
WildBob182: posts the ante 50
ihategnome: posts small blind 300
WildBob182: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WildBob182 [3d Ts]
JesGru said, "give me paint"
JesGru: raises 1513 to 2113 and is all-in
Muxxxy: folds
lambchopdc: folds
ihategnome: folds
WildBob182: calls 1513
*** FLOP *** [6h 2c 8h]
midas006 [observer] said, "omg chip dump"
*** TURN *** [6h 2c 8h] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [6h 2c 8h Qh] [Th]
midas006 [observer] said, "ganging up on gnome"
WildBob182 said, "nh"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WildBob182: shows [3d Ts] (a pair of Tens)
JesGru: shows [Kc Qd] (a pair of Queens)
JesGru collected 4776 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4776 | Rake 0
Board [6h 2c 8h Qh Th]
Seat 1: JesGru showed [Kc Qd] and won (4776) with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: Muxxxy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: lambchopdc (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ihategnome (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: WildBob182 (big blind) showed [3d Ts] and lost with a pair of Tens

donkbee

01-12-2006, 05:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBobAA

railbird ... only one person said it was bad, everyone else agreed it was fine.

congrats again on the win!

Quote:

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01-12-2006, 05:27 AM

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<3 courtie

Ty miss

I'm just gland gnomes didn't pull away from everyone. Should be a good series of games coming up!

ihategnomes

01-12-2006, 06:00 AM

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If I dont donk 40% of my stack against lampchop's steal my AT vs AQ, I win. Good job guys.

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01-12-2006, 07:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by courtiebee

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBobAA

railbird ... only one person said it was bad, everyone else agreed it was fine.

congrats again on the win!

For the record, I was joking during the hand. The guy who told you it was a terrible call was not.

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01-12-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by midas06

Quote:

Originally Posted by courtiebee

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBobAA

railbird ... only one person said it was bad, everyone else agreed it was fine.

congrats again on the win!

For the record, I was joking during the hand. The guy who told you it was a terrible call was not.

We know

Hehe I

your avatar.

Quote:

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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

midas06

01-12-2006, 11:22 AM

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Ty. I think that the whole of FTR loves yours.

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01-12-2006, 02:39 PM

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That was me. You called off 15% of your stack at the end of the tourney with a 10-3 offsuit. That was a bad play. At the end of tourneys you need to be thinking about more than the odds. You don't want to double up your opponent either. What could you have possibly beaten with a 10-3 o, one of the worst starting hands? Basically you had 6 outs to catch either a 10 or a 3 because it is doubtful that your hand would have stood up without them. That means you needed 9-1 odds but that's not really a realistic number preflop so you really needed a better hand than a silly little 10-3 o for 15% of your stack.

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01-12-2006, 03:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RotterSod

I agree. You were 31% to win, but more importantly, you were 69% to double up a desperate opponent with no legs. You did him a favor. Surely there was a better spot to be had. I might call with closer to a 40-45% chance to knock him out. You should get that chance within a few hands. It's almost certain.

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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

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01-12-2006, 03:50 PM

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Ty. I think that the whole of FTR loves yours.

Amen to that.

DavSimon

01-12-2006, 05:03 PM

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DavSimon is an unknown quantity at this point

15% of you stack does not mean a whole lot here with 5 people left, as the chip leader there are other reasons I make that call every single time. Jes is a good player if I can risk 15% with a couple of live cards to take him out I will do it....every single time.....and don't think that your willingness to make a thin call goes unnoticed, what happens when it folds to the small blind and Bob is the BB next orbit.....any marginal hand just folds.....If Bob doesnt take out Jes....Jes thinks twice about stealing against Bob in the future without a really strong hand....which in turn gives Bob more information to work with.

Could he find a better spot...probably, but he went with it which gives him a less than predictable image...which in turn reduces the steals against him and opens up more steal opportunities for him.

You can argure the math all you want....you can be technically correct if you want....but short handed at a final table is no longer playing cards....its not all about the math...calculating M....figuring the real value of each chip.....this is tournament poker my friends - the sooner you learn that the more successful you will be.

Feel free to argue amongst yourselves about the validity of my position or the wisdom of Bob's play....it was one decision in a tournament full of them, and I think it was a fine play.

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01-12-2006, 05:11 PM

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I agree and not just because Davsimon is my hero.

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01-12-2006, 05:11 PM

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i still think my AA vs 910 o preflop all in against dachicagokid was pretty sickening........

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01-12-2006, 06:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DavSimon

You can argure the math all you want....you can be technically correct if you want....but short handed at a final table is no longer playing cards....its not all about the math...calculating M....figuring the real value of each chip.....this is tournament poker my friends - the sooner you learn that the more successful you will be.

Thank you for making my point. I wasn't arguing the math - he was. He based his call solely on the math and I argued that at the end of the tourney when you have chips (he was 2nd out of 5) there's no sense in doubling up your short stacked opponent on such a crappy hand. Almost any other hand could justify the call but not 10-3 offsuit. And at that stage in the tourney, trying to present a table image so you don't get blinds stolen is a losing proposition.

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01-12-2006, 07:07 PM

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So just folding at letting him pick up 50% of the chips in his stack uncontested is ok?

I cant' believe we're still arging about this. This was a pretty trivial call.

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01-12-2006, 07:14 PM

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I was not singling you out.....and pulling out one part of my post saying that it proves your point is just.....missing the point. To not consider how the rest of the table percieves you and what you are liable to do is a big mistake.

I don't need you to agree with me, or play poker my way....but please don't make it seem like I agree with you because our approaches are clearly different....and that's OK

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01-12-2006, 07:36 PM

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I cant' believe we're still arging about this.

It's good to discuss things like this and reasons for why plays should or shouldn't be made. That's a big reason why we play these games, isn't it? It's why I play, at least. No one's "arguing", I look at it more as a discussion about something not totally clear cut (although it might seem that way to some people). I think this is a good discussion.

And good post, Dave.

Quote:

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01-12-2006, 07:43 PM

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Yeah, you're right to me this is a clear call but that doesn't mean it's not open for debate.

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01-12-2006, 08:07 PM

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Here is my stance. While it is mathmatically correct to call if the opposition is holding unpaired cards that dont match yours. Jesgru is a pretty tight player, his stack is short at 2163. Bobs stack is at 10866. Jes pushes first to act. Here is a range I can put him on:

44+,A7s+,KTs+,QTs+,A8o+,KTo+,QJo

That might be a bit off, but its close. Please correct me if I am wrong and I can re-run the calcs.

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 28.2183 % 27.72% 00.50% { T3o }
Hand 2: 71.7817 % 71.29% 00.50% { 44+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, A8o+, KTo+, QJo }

So a 2-1 gamble is probably not in your best interest for 20% of your stack. At some point in the tournament chips become worth more than their face value for several reasons. Leverage is the one that matters most to me. If the only reason we call him allin preflop is based purely on mathamtical calulations then the play was mathmatically wrong. Discuss?

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01-12-2006, 08:16 PM

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I think his range is bigger than that. I think he pushes w/ any A or any K in that spot since he's so short and also with suited connectors 89+. The next hand, he will be forced to put in 1/3 of his stack due to the BB, bascially commiting him to the pot. If I was him, i'd be pushing with almost any two, hoping for some FE.

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01-12-2006, 08:18 PM

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But your not him. Thats the point. If if the call was mathamtically correct, NL strategy is based on stacks and players, you stack doesnt dictate the call. Some advocate to only call in these spots for 10% of your stack, this call was twice as much.

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01-12-2006, 08:20 PM

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Well, you put him on your range, and I put him on mine.

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01-12-2006, 08:30 PM

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Ok so Im gonna run your range and still tell you why its mathmatically correct or closer and strategically wrong.

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 30.6287 % 30.06% 00.57% { T3o }
Hand 2: 69.3713 % 68.80% 00.57% { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, J8s, T9s, 98s, A2o+, KTo+, QJo }

Your getting closer. But do you not see how this is +EV from a math point but - chip EV. A chip is worth more than a chip at some point and time and this is it. Im not arguing for the sake of arguing, I do have better things to do than just heckel people

Even if we can get it so thats its neutral EV, why are we risking 20% of our stack on a neutral EV play?

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01-12-2006, 08:57 PM

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Also, I'm going for first here and first only. I'm willing to gamble to take a player out. Even if I lose this, I still have enough chips to steal without commiting myself to the pot. I could careless about moving up in the money. I'm trying to get the first place points to close the gap between you and me.

That factored into my decision as well.

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01-12-2006, 09:33 PM

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ACtually you will probably win. I won most of the events when there was only 10-15 players. I hate to admit it, but unless you drop the ball, I will probably finish second.

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01-12-2006, 09:48 PM

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That depends on how your last games go. If you rip off a bunch of top 5 finishes, I might be in a world of hurt.

I do have a tendency to bust early in some of these.

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01-12-2006, 09:50 PM

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And Gnomes has a tendancy of final tabling every game he plays. This should be interesting

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01-12-2006, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DavSimon

If you say something that agrees with what I am saying then you agree with me. I said (paraphrase) "don't just play the math at that late stage" and you said the same thing. Ergo, you agree. Nothing to argue about. I agree.

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01-12-2006, 11:47 PM

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^^^ Dang - and I thought only lawyers felt the need to disagree even when they are saying they are agreeing.

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01-13-2006, 12:41 AM

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If that is all you can pull out of my post, I feel sorry for you. Fixating on a single statement and disregarding the rest of the message displays lack of reading comprehension.....therefore I will clarify it so there is no misunderstanding.

You said

Quote:

That was a bad play

I completely disagree, I think the play was a fine play for the reasons I previously stated. I have no problem with you thinking it is a bad play but I do not agree with your assesment.

You said

Quote:

I argued that at the end of the tourney when you have chips (he was 2nd out of 5) there's no sense in doubling up your short stacked opponent on such a crappy hand.

I completely disagree, I think taking a shot at him is worth it for the previously stated reasons

You said

Quote:

at that stage in the tourney, trying to present a table image so you don't get blinds stolen is a losing proposition

Aside from the fact that you only got 1/2 the message here, I completely diasgree. Not only does it put people on notice that you will not lay down easily, they will be less likely to play with you when you steal thier blinds....unless they have a strong hand....which gives you more information and makes them easier to read. Not considering what the rest of the table thinks of you is a losing proposition

We may both agree that math should not be your sole consideration in playing a hand or making a call but we disagee on everything else when it comes to playing a final table....do you not see that?

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01-13-2006, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by grimedizzle

i still think my AA vs 910 o preflop all in against dachicagokid was pretty sickening........

i love this game.

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01-27-2006, 06:04 AM

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Who can forget this insta-classic?

POKERSTARS GAME #3683169766: TOURNAMENT #17154096, HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2006/01/18 - 23:21:01 (ET)
Table '17154096 2' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: RotterSod (3945 in chips)
Seat 2: studboyjoe (2645 in chips)
Seat 3: WildBob182 (1115 in chips)
Seat 4: Triptanes (3660 in chips)
Seat 5: skorpeo (3135 in chips)
Seat 7: Monty9 (1450 in chips)
Seat 8: DaChicagoKid (3390 in chips)
Seat 9: Lukieplaya (3160 in chips)
DaChicagoKid: posts small blind 100
Lukieplaya: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lukieplaya [Ks 8s]
RotterSod: folds
studboyjoe: folds
WildBob182: raises 915 to 1115 and is all-in
Triptanes: folds
skorpeo: folds
Monty9: folds
DaChicagoKid: folds
Lukieplaya: calls 915
WildBob182 said, "cmon now"
Lukieplaya said, "ouch"
*** FLOP *** [Tc 9d Jh]
DaChicagoKid said, "ouch?"
Triptanes said, "lawlz"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "77"
RotterSod said, "ooohhh"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
*** TURN *** [Tc 9d Jh] [6d]
WildBob182 said, "7"
Lukieplaya said, "777777"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
Triptanes said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
Triptanes said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
Triptanes said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
Triptanes said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
Triptanes said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
Triptanes said, "77"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
*** RIVER *** [Tc 9d Jh 6d] [7c]
Triptanes said, "77"
WildBob182 said, "7"
Triptanes said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
Triptanes said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
Triptanes said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
Triptanes said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "7"
WildBob182 said, "77"
Triptanes said, "YES!"
WildBob182 said, "7"
DaChicagoKid said, "OMG"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lukieplaya: shows [Ks 8s] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
WildBob182: shows [Kh Ah] (high card Ace)
Lukieplaya collected 2330 from pot
RotterSod said, "lol"
DaChicagoKid said, "OOOOO"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2330 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 9d Jh 6d 7c]
Seat 1: RotterSod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: studboyjoe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: WildBob182 showed [Kh Ah] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 4: Triptanes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: skorpeo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Monty9 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DaChicagoKid (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Lukieplaya (big blind) showed [Ks 8s] and won (2330) with a straight, Seven to Jack

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