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wufwugy
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02-02-2012, 06:24 PM
Post subject: WW2 derail
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It's always fun talking about WW2, and nobody wants to see text in picture threads...
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Originally Posted by supa
I was talking to this old english lady awhile back. She was telling me about how she didn't understand all the hatred toward America that's happening these days. She went on to explain that she grew up during WWII and the most important thing she remembers was the thousands of Americans that came to England and literally saved your asses. She went on to say "If it wasn't for the USA we'd all be speaking German right now".
I understand that our govt hasn't been a great role model in recent years, but you could at least show a little respect for what it's done for you and your country in the past.
tl;dr
You are a cunt.
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It wasn't the American soldiers that "saved anybody's ass", but the supply lines. England could have held out forever with US supply, and the Soviets started pushing Germany's shit in anyways. Hitler never wanted to fight on two fronts because he knew he couldn't win. A big ass island on one side and an enormous tundra on the other meant the Third Reich was doomed.
In the latter stages of WW2, it became a fight to the death, and Germany could never stop the Soviet hordes or the entrenched British
On the Pacific front, Japan was overextending as well, and would have crumbled in time. They could have controlled some islands, but that's it. They only attacked US because we cut off their oil supply; they had no choice, but it was also signing their own death warrant
Even if Germany and Japan were able to control the entire world, it wouldn't last more than a couple years. It would have been logistically impossible for Germany to tell Stalingrad what to do. The way to win a war is to take over a strategic country then end the war. World domination cannot happen without unrealistic manpower levels
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Obviously everything you say is true and if I had an argument I wouldn't even try because you're way to fucking smart. I stand by my point though, American soldiers died on English soil. End of that discussion for me.
Also, I really just wanted to call Ong a cunt, because he is.
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start using your brain more and vagina less
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Your girlfriend is furious because she just found out that you cheated on her-- with her best friend-- while she was out of town attending her mother's funeral.
You point out that you pulled out all the stops on prom night, flowers, limo, penthouse suite-- the prom night of every girl's dream.
problem?
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OngBonga
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Lol supa I was just being a twat for the sake of it, but fuck it, I'll bite. The Yanks back in the 40's dropped two big fuck off atomic bombs on Japan, killing a ridiculous amount of civilians. I don't give a fuck if we could've won the war or not without USA, fact is what America did was fucking evil, I'm ashamed we're allied with such a nation. Show respect for what they've done for us in the past? I respect those Americans who died in WWII fighting against the common enemy, but USA as a nation? Not a fucking chance. America should withdraw from international politics and quietly go about their internal business, or to put it more bluntly, sit down and stfu.
Yes I'm a cunt, all British people are cunts, especially during winter.
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ongies gonna ong
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Crusades.
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“Right thoughts produce right actions and right actions produce work which will be a material reflection for others to see of the serenity at the center of it all”
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start using your brain more and vagina less
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OngBonga
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I'm not proud of our past, I don't demand respect for the British.
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ongies gonna ong
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
Lol supa I was just being a twat for the sake of it, but fuck it, I'll bite. The Yanks back in the 40's dropped two big fuck off atomic bombs on Japan, killing a ridiculous amount of civilians. I don't give a fuck if we could've won the war or not without USA, fact is what America did was fucking evil, I'm ashamed we're allied with such a nation. Show respect for what they've done for us in the past? I respect those Americans who died in WWII fighting against the common enemy, but USA as a nation? Not a fucking chance. America should withdraw from international politics and quietly go about their internal business, or to put it more bluntly, sit down and stfu.
Yes I'm a cunt, all British people are cunts, especially during winter.
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On the contrary, that was arguably the most life-saving action of the entire war.
WW2 was several different wars put together. Nobody talks much about what happened in Africa or Mainland Asia because those were mainly just genocide not involving the nations that wrote the history books. The other fronts were the Western, Eastern, and Pacific. Most of what US and probably Europe learns about is the Western and some bits of the Pacific. The Western was easily the most humane of all fronts. The Eastern and Pacific were quite a bit different. Germans and Soviets thought each other as inferior subhumans, and treated each other as such. The Japanese were similar, but worse, and thought that way about everybody other than themselves. Japan may just be the most nationalistic nation in the world's history, as well as having one of the most rigid superstitious ideologies in Bushido. No race has believed in fighting to the death like the Japanese
And that's what would have happened. A US invasion had projected casualties in eight figures, which is about 10x more than the nukes
US vs Japan was never fair. My guess is the most one-sided war in any modern context, by far. The amount of destruction the mainland endured in carpet bombings is just unheard of. It was a different war; one where the initial aggressors were the weaker ones, but they were a bunch of Samurai who would never ever ever give up. It took the unfathomable "shock and awe" of atomic decimation to bring their heads back to reality. They were willing to sacrifice all their buildings, their lives, their students in kamikazes in a fight to total destruction. My guess is that the bomb made them realize there would be no more fight, and if they kept on course, there would no longer be a Japan
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Here's what I think about WWII... none of us have any fucking clue what was going on in the 30s and 40s, what they tell us in the history books is largely bollocks with a healthy dose of fact. I wonder, where did all the Nazi scientists go after the war ended?
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ongies gonna ong
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On the contrary, WW2 is the most well researched and understood aspect of history by an enormous margin
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Yeah and burning kerosene can melt steel. People believe what they're told, people are stupid.
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ongies gonna ong
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Are you kidding?
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Not kidding, burning kerosene really can melt steel, it happened twice on the same day. And people really are stupid. I should know, I'm a person.
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ongies gonna ong
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You're not making sense, and you have an inability to not support your own position regardless of what it is
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ongies gonna ong
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