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What has the U S of A came to? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE |
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It really shouldn't be viewed as a freedom of speech issue. It wasn't like the guy was dragged from a debate or Q&A because he asked something sensitive. The guy rushed the mic, disrupted the event. I mean, does the first amendment right mean that you can rush in during the state of the union and demand to be heard? Guy was obviously a dickhead more interested in making a spectacle than really putting his question to Kerry. That said, security mishandling FTW. And you have to wonder if they over-react in this situation is there a slippery slope to the "he's being overly critical of the guy on stage, get him outta here"? If you've seen e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs you'll know that these guys seem to feel they can use a taser to coerce behaviour not just defend themselves from danger... pretty sick |
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Cant you hear Kerry say "Let me answer his question" and then the security come in and the guy just goes nuts? Fucking liberals hating America. |
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| There's a difference between hating America and hating the shitty things about America and wanting to make them better. | |||
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag&NR=1 Check out the beginning of this one. Kerry clearly asks the guy for his question. Admittedly it takes him a while to get around to it but he certainly doesn't "rush the mic". It really does look like he was arrested for his question. Im interested in why you think he rushed the mic? |
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| The disturbing thing is that people seem to think that because the cops dont have to exert themselves its somehow moral. This is no better than saying "stand up or ill stamp on your fingers again". | |||
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
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The problem was he wasn't complying. If you are put under arrest it doesn't mean that you will be charged for anything. It was obviously a very public affair, the person in question had thousands of witnesses. Nothing would have came of it if he just accepted what was coming, and didnt try to fight 6 or 7 security guards. They were doing what they felt was right, they felt they had justifiable means to take this action. I am not saying this is right by any means. But don't fight them. Its like yelling at the ref in sports. Just comply, walk out; Kerry would have answered the question regardless of him being there or not. He probably would have just been taken out of the room or the building, but instead he chose to fight authority and he got what he deserved for his actions. Anyone agree? |
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| Yes because torture is a perfectly acceptable response to people "not complying". Tasers were introduced as a "less lethal" alternative to guns. They are supposed to be used in dangerous situations, not when someone has already been restrained. | |||
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
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No doubt the kid should've complied, maybe shouted a bit but definitely not tried to squirm his way out of 5-6 security people. But, the taser is totally wrong. As far as I know, the taser should be used as an alternative to guns when the police are in danger. A skinny student squirming around on the floor wailing isn't really putting 6 officers in danger. |
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There was a clip on the news this morning of the same student standing at a busy street corner around the time of the latest Harry Potter book release, holding up the book along with a big sign that said, "Harry Dies". All sorts of people were swearing at him from their car windows and then cop car drives by and you hear an officer say over the cruiser's PA speaker, "That's just wrong." Pretty funny stuff. clip here: http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?...c.msn.com/&fg= |
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I was arrested last year for disorderly person and not once did i resist arrest but the police still decided they needed to use excess force and went about socking me in the kidneys and hitting me with the billy club in front of my mother. All because i wouldn't "shut up" , the fact of the matter is i was already in handcuffs being escorted to the squad car , already restrained , i'll admit i was being an asshole popping off at the mouth still but still no reason to assault me. My last visit to county jail was on false breaking and entering charges. I was walking home from a friends. Was tooken into a house without my will by 3 guys , jumped and robbed , and they proceeded to call the police and say i broke in. Breaking and Entering was obviously dropped but i still got stuck with disorderly person for the way i acted after being arrested. How is someone suppose to act after being jumped robbed and "kidnapped" , than being the one put in jail and losing a job because i couldn't post bail? Beats me. I guess we should all just be sheep and comply. |
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All because police in my city do not like me. Another funny story about 2 years back me and my g/f come home at about 4 a.m. to my apartment door being kicked in. My 2 firearms are missing. An AR-15 and a .22 Caliber Long Rifle (A Pea shooter). I make the police report because the guns are registered in my name and I'm not gonna take blame if something happens.. They catch the guys a day later. Not that i wanted charges brought upon them but the simple fact that NO ONE was charged with breaking and entering was pretty funny. All because i sold drugs and the police knew this. Scary thing is , same person who kicked in my door and stole my firearms kicked in someones door a few months back but the people were home and he shot the guy right in front of his 6 month old daughter , NOW finally he is facing real charges. Chances are I would have been shot if i was home when he kicked my door in. |
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I was supina'd (SP? LOL) to the case but more or less i just sat in the hallway and was never asked anything by the prosecuter. Just a waste of time and a good way to make me look as if im a snitch. |
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Theres several things going on there. A) The prosecutor doesn't always charge the person with everything they can. The people were probably arrested for something much "bigger" and throwing 30 days in county for a B&E is a detriment to their case because they dont want the jury's attention diverted from whatever "bigger" thing they did B) Their defense would be that they didnt steal them, you gave it to them. Bullshit, but unless you can prove you didn't, they go free. So there you go up on the stand.. Defense attorney: "Is it true that you sell drugs?" You: "Well, yes" Defense: "Is it even possible that you gave these people your guns?" You: "Of course not" Defense: "Why?" You: "Because I wouldnt do that." Defense: "It's not even possible?" You: "No" Defense: "Why do you refuse to admit that it is even possible?" Defense: "You're saying it's not even possible that you gave them these weapons, either because you were trading the weapons for drugs and then planning on reporting them stolen anyway, or simply because you were high and don't remember doing it?" Basically, you're more harm than good in court. Also, why the hell if you say... "Chances are I would have been shot if i was home when he kicked my door in." and just before it say, "Not that i wanted charges brought upon them" |
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Re the video: This guy was a class A douchebag. Its pretty clear that before the video starts he was "uppity" and probably causing a disturbance. You can see the police on the right side of the video looking over their shoulder, probably awaiting on an order from a higher-up. He was not being arrested, he was being forced off the microphone because he was probably rambling, saying stupid things, making unfounded accusations or what have you, and the police decided that was enough. You have a right to speech, you don't have a right to be an idiot. You can see the officers simply trying to remove him from the mic, and then remove him from the building. He was NOT under arrest at this point. He was under arrest once he began resisting their efforts to remove him. The guy was trying to make a scene, and he succeeded. Even when he was on the floor he was still struggling. This will lead to your tasering. Dont do this. Quote:
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At the time i didn't think I would have been shot , but after what happened this summer now i wonder what would of happen if i was home. The other charges at the time was 3 accounts of felony firearms. The one who just shot the guy actually got off the case involving my guns , his boy took the wrap. 3 days before the one who took the wrap had court he robbed a pizza guy at gunpoint and is now facing about 10 years. |
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| Yeah, why try and prove B&E when the other charges are much more clear cut? | |||
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| That's true I was just saying it's funny how they totally ignore the fact that they kicked down someones door. | |||
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| First off, he was a class A deuchbag obviously. When security first grabs him the audience starts applauding, obviously not from what he says in the first three seconds of the vid. Secondly, did anyone see a tazer? He wasn't tazed and he said "owe, owe, owe" I got news for yea, you don't say those things when tazed. | |||
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| lol why do the police keep saying "blah blah blah well taze you again" and stuff like that if they didnt do it the first time? Your powers of deduction are weak old man. | |||
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Another angle, where it's obvious he does get tased. Am I the only one who feels that Kerry should've told the cops to leave the guy alone? As a politician who's meant to show leadership skills standing there murmuring isn't going to do much. |
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| I don't hear that, I hear others saying, they tazed him, they tazed him. | |||
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Guy's a dbag and honestly shouldn't have been flopping around like that yelling to let go of him. I don't think complying with the cop is being a sheep; it's complying with the fucking cop who's deemed it necessary you need to be taken out. While tazering can be excessive, I think this kid was asking for it. The one thing I want to point out is that while it looks like they were grabbing him for the question, it's more likely because he shouldn't have been there so they were just waiting for orders from higher ups. Also, Kerry couldn't do anything in that situation. He probably would have wanted the kid to be let go because this makes him look bad. However, it instantly became a police matter and Kerry is nothing more than a civilian in that situation. Let's not put this thing into the category of police brutality. Sometimes dbags get what they deserve. |
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fact: the guy got tazed, lets stop disputing this, its silly. Is he a douche bag looking to get a rise? Maybe, however he did ask valid questions, did he not? He did not rush the mic, it was clearly his turn. And why in the hell are the cops in this roll? They should be the muscle, not the authority on what questions are ok to ask and so on. Maybe someone else gave them the signal that the guy needed to go? But the cops/whoever made the call certainly escalated the situation. The guy had only been talking for a few minutes tops, and kerry even seemed receptive to his questions, even if he was caught off guard. The cops/whoever made the call handled this terribly. The guy maybe was a bit of a douche, but srsly so what? Its just like when someone posted a video of some latino gangster lookin guy getting beat by a cop, "oh well he probably got whats coming to him, hes a felon, ect ect." No, douchebag, gangster, repeat felon, it doesnt matter. Its wrong to use excessive force unprovoked, people that think theres some sort of a grey area because someones not a saint are idiots, probably the same idiots that support all these god damn wars of aggression. |
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| Boost, come over here so I can beat you for disagreeing. It's the American Way. | |||
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You guys keep going back to this "he wasnt supposed to be there" and "he rushed the mic" theory. Why? We have zero evidence of this, if you watch the second video posted you can see that its actually very unlikely that this is true as he seems to have waited in line just like everyone else to ask his question. He was told that he was going on for too long, however at the point that he was grabbed he had asked his question it seemed, and kerry was starting to answer. Kerry seemed to be patient with the kid, and so what was the problem? IMO kerry shouldve made the call and no one else. Also you are technically right about it no longer being in kerry's hands as he is just a civilian, but I still think he couldve used his clout to do something. A simple "hold on, let the man ask his question, I have no problem answering it." Almost surely would have defused this situation. |
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609.72 DISORDERLY CONDUCT. Subdivision 1. Crime. Whoever does any of the following in a public or private place,knowing, or having reasonable grounds to know that it will, or will tend to, alarm, anger or disturb others or provoke an assault or breach of the peace, is guilty of disorderly conduct, which is a misdemeanor: (2) Disturbs an assembly or meeting, not unlawful in its character; or Excessive and stupid? Yes. Retarded? Yes. Deserved to get arrested? According to this yes. I don't excuse the cops for what they did. Tasering him was completely ridiculous and I hope those cops are suspended for it at the very least. However, the guy didn't ask the question as if he wanted to ask an honest question. He could've asked "What do you think of conspiracy theorist who say that 'blah blah blah skull and bones or whatever'?" And let Kerry answer it. He pretty much made a threatening and insulting comments to Kerry and made a mockery of the entire forum. He essentially ruined a chance for many people to ask their honest questions to John Kerry. It wasn't fair for him to do this and he no doubt distrubed the event. I will end this with saying yes, I do hate these young political d-bags who feel like doing this kind of shit is okay. But I will also say I consider myself a conspiracy theorist, but I'm not going into what I do and don't believe because that is way off topic. AND I will say they I pride myself in looking at situations as unbiased as possible. You have to at least admit this guy was an idiot. |
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hmm... isf... yah I agree with you I think, the guy was probably just looking to make trouble either way. but really... read that statute, its so broad, thats why cops love it. They can charge nearly anyone with it. |
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Thing biggest thing here is they weren't arresting him. They were getting his ass away from the mic. He had his turn, it was up, and they weren't going to let him disrupt the question/answer session anymore. People talk about first amendment rights....well, Kerry was brought in by the university (they were probably paying him a large sum of money), so his university has the right to allow/deny any questions from the audience...They felt he was out of line so they wanted to get to the next question......they have that right. The guy was obviously looking to make trouble. The question(s) he asked, the tone of his voice, how he rambled on and on, etc. When the cops first come over he makes an even bigger scene, "WHY ARE YOU ARRESTING ME!" Dude, they're not trying to arrest your ass they're trying to get you away from the mic to keep the session rolling. They're trying to get you away from the mic so you don't cause an even bigger scene by being a dipshit. The dude succeeded in creating trouble. When they tried to remove him peacefully he went ape shit. They tried using a little more force and he went more ape shit, to cause a bigger scene. That's DISORDERLY CONDUCT, and yes now your ass can be arrested because you're not listening to the authorities (however right or wrong that actually may be). He then resists arrest, throwing himself around while (possibly) putting the officers in danger......they warn him if he doesn't chill the fuck out, he's going to get tasered.....then boom, it happens. I truly don't understand what the big deal here is. Could it have been handled differently by all parties involved? Hell yes. The dude could have come off a little bit better on the mic, he could have walked away once he made his point and was asked to leave (his question may have been answered, but it would not have shed any new light on Skull and Bones, 9-11, or anything like that, so technically he was able to make his point).....the security guards and/or cops could have come at him a little differently so he didn't feel so threatened from the get-go....but c'mon, the dude was wrong and deserves what he got if you look at the entire situation. P.S. I've been tasered before. It hurts like a motherfucker, but it does what it's meant to do. It makes you not be able to do shit so you can't hurt the authorities and you won't hurt yourself. Trust me, it's much better than having the men in charge bring out batons and beat the shit out of you with them... Side-note: My buddy is a KC Area police officer. He's actually a S.W.A.T. member. A few of my friends allowed him to taser us at a party in front of a huge group of people because we thought it would be hilarious comedy....it was, but yes it did hurt like a motherfucker, but after a few minutes I was totally back to normal. |
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| You guys need to watch the whole 10 minute video, not the 2 minute clip that people with agendas want you to see. You think it was a coincidence that the police just happened to be standing riiiight next ot him? | |||
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Two minute clip: OMFG WTF THAT POOR GUY HE DIDN'T DESERVE THAT SHIT POLICE BRUTALITY OMG! Full version: Wow, the dude kind-of deserved it. Maybe he didn't deserve what he got if you look at it from a far-away point of view, but if you see how the chain of events went down from start to finish it makes a lot more sense. Again, everyone involved could have handled this better and none of this would have happened. |
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Kind of? People had been lined up for hours to ask Kerry a question and this guy hopped the line, stormed the mic, and started raving. Thats why the cops were *already there*. Kerry said let him ask, just trying to defuse the situation and get him out of there. And he ranted for about 3 or 4 minutes. They cut his mic off when he said "blowjob" and shortly after he was removed. This guys an attention whore. When its all said and done, he'll have sued the police, Kerry, UF, and the police department just to keep his name in the news. And he'll probably be compensated. |
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I agree. on a side note have you seen this video? http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...753501&q=loose |
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A) Pepper spray every person within a 6 foot radius (every cop would get hit with it, as well as anyone sitting nearby, further it stays in the air for quite a while and theyd probably have to end the little Q&A thing and evacuate) B) Beat the guy with their billy clubs C) Apply pressure points and submission tactics to the persons joints which *often* causes fractures, ligament tears, and unconsciousness (and lawsuits) D) Ask nicely. |
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| Euph i see your point but I feel violence should only be used when someone is posing a physical threat to another person or animal. Here he was being severly uncooperative but you might as well let him get punished for resisiting arrest. Let him try and escape if he wants, you have 6 officers there he's not going to be successful. | |||
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| I attend the school in question and if it wasn't for a class I had at the time, I would have gone to see Kerry. I am not personal friends with the guy, but I know people who know him. He takes pride in practical jokes; this is his site www.theandrewmeyer.com I'm almost positive he was just looking to make trouble but I doubt he deserved to be tasered. | |||
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| I don't see what the big deal is. The guy was clearly looking for attention and he got it. Don't be an attention whore and then try to make yourself out to be a martyr. If you don't wan't to get maced/beaten/tazered/shot then don't try fighting the police. | |||
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