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youre on a jury of twelve, defendant discovered his wife was banging some dude, and he killed her. details are obv important, but let's go with non-extreme situations. so respond with what that means to you in mind.
my answer is no. not across the board, but i would need to be given a good reason to give a verdict of guilty to the murderer of a cheating whore. for example: a boy goes off to iraq for two years fighting camel jockeys, later comes home to find his wife had been sloggin some guy, and he puts a slug in her. i call him not guilty (actually id go the route of jury nullification if i knew it would work, but same diff)
who's with me
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of course we convict his ass
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i don't think she deserves to die persay... but if he went jackie chan on her ass i'd let him go 
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of course we convict his ass
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Whether she cheated or not, he doesn't have the right to take her life. Forget about her, move on.
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Whether she cheated or not, he doesn't have the right to take her life. Forget about her, move on.
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this thread doesnt even deserve this much consideration. that is how moronic it is.
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Whether she cheated or not, he doesn't have the right to take her life. Forget about her, move on.
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09-01-2008, 07:16 AM
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for example: a boy goes off to iraq for two years fighting camel jockeys,
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Yea, not sure this is appropriate.
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Would you convict a clown for murdering a grocery store cashier?
Saying no makes just as much sense as OP.
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09-01-2008, 02:18 PM
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for example: a boy goes off to iraq for two years fighting camel jockeys,
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2years is a long time.
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i really don't think this is that bad of a question...
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i have a distant relative that lived like 60 years ago maybe. she was married to this man whom she was cheating on. the husband caught them together, and then the boyfriend killed the husband. to protect the boyfriend, they immediately got married so she wouldnt have to testify against him and somehow he was not found guilty. all 3 are barried right next to eachother.
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i have a distant relative that lived like 60 years ago maybe. she was married to this man whom she was cheating on. the husband caught them together, and then the boyfriend killed the husband. to protect the boyfriend, they immediately got married so she wouldnt have to testify against him and somehow he was not found guilty. all 3 are barried right next to eachother.
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that's nuts
So it's a right that you don't have to testify against a spouse? Mrs. Clemens FTL?
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i have a distant relative that lived like 60 years ago maybe. she was married to this man whom she was cheating on. the husband caught them together, and then the boyfriend killed the husband. to protect the boyfriend, they immediately got married so she wouldnt have to testify against him and somehow he was not found guilty. all 3 are barried right next to eachother.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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first off guys, your prejudices consume you. in many cultures at many times in our history would the opinion of the op be standard.
truth be told, i wouldnt be on a jury in this type of case. id tell the judge i couldnt be partial, which is partly true, and he would dismiss me. the main reason however is that i would hit some huge philosophical roadblocks that i would be afraid i couldnt solve, and would possibly make a grave mistake that would haunt me.
primarily, my reasoning is because the punishment does not fit the crime. as throughout all history it seems, our understanding of death is pretty crappy. also our understanding of imprisonment is crappy. i personally do not believe that lifetime imprisonment and maybe even just lengthy imprisonment is a just punishment for a crime like impassioned murder.
i do not equivocate the ending of existence of somebody to a lifetime of semi-torture of another. people do not understand that the negatives of murder are not on the person who was murdered, but on those living who are affected by it. the most likely scenario is that a dead person has the conscious equivalent of non-existence. this is something i am hesitant to get into tho since most do not understand it, and when people dont understand something they still think they do and go blahblahbalhb about it. the former is understandable given that it is human nature to project consciousness onto all things.
im also very old-timey in that i believe that adultery is mega wrong. i have no problem with promiscuity and fornication and all that jazz, but i can find no sympathy in my heart for somebody who is in a married monogamous relationship and cheats. i just cant. im pretty sure the reason why i cant is because i find no sympathy for dishonest people, and that is the quintessence of both personal and interactive dishonesty.
tl;dr: i would consider myself the perpetrator of a greater crime in sentencing to life imprisonment a person who committed a murder crime of passion, which under many cultures and philosophies is justified, than said crime of passion. i believe in justice. sending somebody to prison till they die is not justice for that kind of one time fuck up. punishment is indeed necessary, but one that is befitting.
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for example: a boy goes off to iraq for two years fighting camel jockeys,
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dude havent you seen three kings. camel jockeys is totally okay
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This isn't phili-anything, it's retarded. It's clearly murder.
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And what, pray tell, is a punishment that would better fit the crime of taking someones life?
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under the circumstances, there would almost certainly be a plea bargain and the husband would almost always get man slaughter in the 1st, assuming they dont have a record. probably serve something like 10 years maybe. that punishment doesnt fit the crime?
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so what other actions can people take where killing them is an acceptable penalty?
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so what other actions can people take where killing them is an acceptable penalty?
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Easy yes, outside of extraordinary circumstances. For example, were it reasonable that the husband thought he was preventing/stopping a forcible rape, it would be more of an issue of self-defense/defense of family. That obviously doesn't apply here, however.
Adultery does not justify, pardon, or excuse murder; give me a break.
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And what, pray tell, is a punishment that would better fit the crime of taking someones life?
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im not sure. thats part of why i posted.
what i do know is that i try to put thought into philosophy instead of just knee-jerking an ingrained response. this topic came up at home yesterday and i found i wasnt convinced of our social convention regarding this matter.
you know how most people against the death penalty are against it largely because innocents have been wrongly put to death? well i personally feel that putting an innocent person to death is far less cruel than putting an innocent person behind bars for a lifetime. with that in mind, you can induct why i would say lifetime imprisonment may not be a fit punishment for this particular crime.
our justice system and moral system have many things wrong, and im not referring so much to my opinion but on a philosophical level. i posted this because i felt part of the wrong can be found in this scenario.
forgive me for attempting to start a topic wherein understanding its facets requires thought
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has anybody here read or watched A Time To Kill?
if you have, did you feel that there was anything merited in the actions of the protagonist or the story's theme?
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under the circumstances, there would almost certainly be a plea bargain and the husband would almost always get man slaughter in the 1st, assuming they dont have a record. probably serve something like 10 years maybe. that punishment doesnt fit the crime?
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i lean towards this idea
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has anybody here read or watched A Time To Kill?
if you have, did you feel that there was anything merited in the actions of the protagonist or the story's theme?
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World of difference.
Has it ever been explained why wufwugy hates women so much?
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has anybody here read or watched A Time To Kill?
if you have, did you feel that there was anything merited in the actions of the protagonist or the story's theme?
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please explain these differences
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where do you get that impression?
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has anybody here read or watched A Time To Kill?
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I might have misunderstood what this thread is about since I skimmed through super-fast so my apologies. But are you saying you think someone who rapes a young child is just as evil as a wife who fucks someone other than her husband?
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I dunno bud, just a recurring theme I thought I was picking up on your posts. Sorry if I'm wrong about that too. Didn't mean to throw out an accusation.
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Would you convict a woman for murdering her cheating husband?
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And what, pray tell, is a punishment that would better fit the crime of taking someones life?
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im not sure. thats part of why i posted.
what i do know is that i try to put thought into philosophy instead of just knee-jerking an ingrained response. this topic came up at home yesterday and i found i wasnt convinced of our social convention regarding this matter.
you know how most people against the death penalty are against it largely because innocents have been wrongly put to death? well i personally feel that putting an innocent person to death is far less cruel than putting an innocent person behind bars for a lifetime. with that in mind, you can induct why i would say lifetime imprisonment may not be a fit punishment for this particular crime.
our justice system and moral system have many things wrong, and im not referring so much to my opinion but on a philosophical level. i posted this because i felt part of the wrong can be found in this scenario.
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the big difference between putting an innocent person behind bars for life and killing them is obviously that one can be rectified in some way, whereas you can't really bring someone back. there are other reasons to not believe that the death penalty is a proper course of action for any crime whatsoever, and I can go into them if you would like.
a crime of passion, which is what I assume you are referring to will not garner life imprisonment, (BTW a life sentence isn't usually a life behind bars if I am not mistaken) but will lead to a lesser charge and a lesser sentence as has already been pointed out.
Part of the problem with the current shift towards mandatory minimum sentences for certain crimes can almost be found in this scenario, but that is a bit of a stretch. There are decent safeguards in place in the legal system to separate premeditated murder from crimes of passion. I personally don't think that there should be as much of a drop in severity of punishment due to the simple fact that it was a crime of passion, but I do not view the penal system as an effective deterrent and see it more as a way of removing dangerous people from the environment, and people prone to murder in a fit of rage are dangerous people indeed.
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i have a distant relative that lived like 60 years ago maybe. she was married to this man whom she was cheating on. the husband caught them together, and then the boyfriend killed the husband. to protect the boyfriend, they immediately got married so she wouldnt have to testify against him and somehow he was not found guilty. all 3 are barried right next to eachother.
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yeah there's a hubby/wife privilege just like there is doc/patient. But as with all privileges there's a whole bunch of exceptions.
The finding your wife boning someone else is a classic example of a mitigating circumstance which would negate the necessary element of "malice aforethought" and would diminish the crime from murder to manslaughter (or 1st degree to 2nd degree).
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