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06-13-2005, 06:48 PM
Post subject: What is your political ideology?
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Straight
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Hmm...
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michael1123
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Yikes ... Social Liberal ... I think?
I think you need to make like a 20 question test for us to take to find out which of the above we fall into. Would make for a more fun thread too, to see how everyone answers the different political delimas and issues.
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http://www.politicalcompass.org/
This one is good.
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Element187
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libertarian easy.
not exactly pleased with bush and the republicans. but would never want to see american way of life in danger from the socialist in america (howard dean/hillary clinton/ted kennedy/bernie sanders/al sharpton/jesse jackson/aclu/michael moore/george soros).
not pro conservative, but anti-liberalism.
supporting politicians like rudy guliani, michael badnarik, joe lieberman.
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Bad Beaten
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A libertarian who likes Lieberman? WTF?
I like him on gay rights, the environment, and civil rights issues...
But he's in favour of media censorship, a staunch War on Drugs support, and generally extremely hawkish/pro-premeptive on defense...None of those positions would be supported by either left-libertarians or libertarian-conservatives, to say the least.
As for the GOP, you'll be hard pressed to meet a more authoritarian bunch than Mid-Atlantic, Mid-West, and (especially) Deep South Republicans.
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Labour.
The Tories in Britain really don't make much sense.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Bad Beaten
A libertarian who likes Lieberman? WTF?
I like him on gay rights, the environment, and civil rights issues...
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he was the only democrat running for the primary democrat nomination that would be voteable... no one with their right mind could have voted for john kerry, howard dean, al sharpton, john edwards..
seriously, all the democrats sucked this past election year.. lieberman was the most moderate of all them.
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Just left of centre.
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how can "Centrist (Liberal Party of Canada, moderate Democrats, New Labour)"
be considered centrist ??? that is a very ironic description.
its like howard dean calling himself a democrat when he really is a socialist...i guess thats how you can have a popular communist party in america, mask it with words like liberal and democrat.
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elementy187, we think very alike.
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socialism and its corollary of communism as an ideal is a very attractive ideal. Its too bad that human nature would never allow it to happen.
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just take hte political compass test, i did that for my gov class, its cool.
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http://www.politicalcompass.org/
This one is good.
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left of center anarchist.
Economic Left/Right: -2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.46
Roads and libraries do more for freedom than they take away. Policemen, firemen and teachers help the economy more than the hurt it.
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26
Almost dead center.
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.87
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Labour.
The Tories in Britain really don't make much sense.
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Labor? *Must resist the urge to make joke about his age!*
Whew, that was hard. I would think a person of your age would be more inclined as to wether to choose between the Harry Potter or Power Ranger Pajamas. 
Dammit. I failed. I am weak.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67
My dot on the graph is right where the Dalai Lama's is! 
"I've always felt a strong spirital connection with the Dalai Lama."
On a side note, I hope everyone strongly disagreed with "You cannot be moral without being religious."
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What selection is for Socially Liberal Fiscal Conservatives.
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Theocratic Conservative (Islamists, about 1/2 of the GOP)
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That is silly and pretty biased. A large portion of the party isn't Bible thumping.
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Libertarian-Conservative/Classical Liberal/Thatcherite
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The biggest problem I have with this group is they often go too far under-estimating the importance and needed scope of government. Also, many are isolationist when it comes to forgien affairs.
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pure libertarian.
Lieberman sucks because of his censorship bullshit. If you're into video games and politics...you know what I'm talking about.
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Originally Posted by vqchuang
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26
Almost dead center.
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i was right where you are... maybe my neutralness explains why i find politics and political conversations to be a snooze fest.
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Politcal compass results:
Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.51
To be honest, I think it's a bad test.
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Conservative fiscally. The rest I could care less about, more passionate people can decide what to do with unborn children.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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What selection is for Socially Liberal Fiscal Conservatives.
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Theocratic Conservative (Islamists, about 1/2 of the GOP)
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That is silly and pretty biased. A large portion of the party isn't Bible thumping. |
I agree and found that weird. Theocracy is about uniting the political authority with the religious authority. Even bible-thumping GOP types aren't really interested in that. Their notion of moral governance is -- oddly -- in accord with communitarian thought.
I voted "Other". I think I'm a Green ... or a Green Libertarian. But "Other" will be fine.
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Definitely Libertarian
I am from Massachusetts and I am horrified by the socialist idiots that 'represent' me in the House and Senate. 
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When are you going to write the ultimate johnny_fish strategy manual? I'm tired of seeing your wins and then cleaning my shorts.
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36
Questions like "Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism" don't really apply to me (I live in Europe).
I'm curious as to what the USA people answered to the following questions:
- "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."
- "No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it."
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Originally Posted by Glival
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36
Questions like "Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism" don't really apply to me (I live in Europe).
I'm curious as to what the USA people answered to the following questions:
- "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."
- "No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it."
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If I felt we were absolutely in the wrong...no I wouldn't.
IMO, the second question is stupid; But, I do think it is more foolish to blame and insult your country in a knee-jerk way just because it is trendy and cool or considered 'progressive' thinking.
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When are you going to write the ultimate johnny_fish strategy manual? I'm tired of seeing your wins and then cleaning my shorts.
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Definitely Libertarian
I am from Massachusetts and I am horrified by the socialist idiots that 'represent' me in the House and Senate. |
ouch .. too bad you cant vote em out .. the majority in your state will keep teddie in the senate for all of eternity ... and when teddie passes, they will choose another kennedy out of the 400 available.
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Originally Posted by Glival
I'm curious as to what the USA people answered to the following questions:
- "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."
- "No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it."
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1. no ... if we were over in iraq dipping people toe first into acid bath, scooping childrens eyes out with ice cream scoops, putting political enemys into wood chiippers.. hey wait, iraqi's dont have to fear that anymore, saddam is in jail.
2. now thats stupid .. americans love their country because they are not taxed to death, forced to pay for royal family's grocery bill, forced to pay for everyones health coverage (government healthcare), we dont pay 7$ a gallon for petro, we dont have horrible unemployment problems, and our GDP is f'n huge ... and for gods sake we dont eat fish and chips.
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I'm curious as to what the USA people answered to the following questions:
- "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."
- "No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it."
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1. no ... if we were over in iraq dipping people toe first into acid bath, scooping childrens eyes out with ice cream scoops, putting political enemys into wood chiippers.. hey wait, iraqi's dont have to fear that anymore, saddam is in jail.
2. now thats stupid .. americans love their country because they are not taxed to death, forced to pay for royal family's grocery bill, forced to pay for everyones health coverage (government healthcare), we dont pay 7$ a gallon for petro, we dont have horrible unemployment problems, and our GDP is f'n huge ... and for gods sake we dont eat fish and chips. |
I like the way you think! For anyone that thinks that Abu Ghraib was the horror of horrors......try watching Shadows in The Sand.....now that is torture.
And yes Element, Way too many people drink the Kennedy Kool-Aide around here...it is sickening. I bet the same people that vote for him won't let him drive them anywhere!
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When are you going to write the ultimate johnny_fish strategy manual? I'm tired of seeing your wins and then cleaning my shorts.
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how can "Centrist (Liberal Party of Canada, moderate Democrats, New Labour)"
be considered centrist ??? that is a very ironic description.
its like howard dean calling himself a democrat when he really is a socialist...i guess thats how you can have a popular communist party in america, mask it with words like liberal and democrat.
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Howard Dean is far from a left-wing demagogue and the Democratic Party is not socialist from either a theoretical or a policy standpoint. (In fact, when one examines his record in VT, one sees somebody who is a semi-statist fiscal moderate to conservative and a liberal-leaning social moderate similar to the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario prior to its take over by Mike Harris and the slash-and-burn hard-right gang)
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Originally Posted by Glival
I'm curious as to what the USA people answered to the following questions:
- "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."
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1. no ... if we were over in iraq dipping people toe first into acid bath, scooping childrens eyes out with ice cream scoops, putting political enemys into wood chiippers.. hey wait, iraqi's dont have to fear that anymore, saddam is in jail.
2. now thats stupid .. americans love their country because they are not taxed to death, forced to pay for royal family's grocery bill, forced to pay for everyones health coverage (government healthcare), we dont pay 7$ a gallon for petro, we dont have horrible unemployment problems, and our GDP is f'n huge ... and for gods sake we dont eat fish and chips. |
I like the way you think! For anyone that thinks that Abu Ghraib was the horror of horrors......try watching Shadows in The Sand.....now that is torture.
And yes Element, Way too many people drink the Kennedy Kool-Aide around here...it is sickening. I bet the same people that vote for him won't let him drive them anywhere! |
i dont see how anyone can say abu ghraib was torture .... taking pictures of prisoners in funny sexual positions isnt torture... embarrasing ... but not torture ... hell, back in my kegger party days, we would do that to the first two lightweights that passed out.. and i never had michael moore or howard dean breathing down my neck.
even if we were torturing prisoners ... so what, these are terrorist launching bombs at iraqi citizens and american troops.. and why is the left calling for gitmo to be closed ... are they going to house these terrorist ???
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I'm curious as to what the USA people answered to the following questions:
- "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."
- "No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it."
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1. no ... if we were over in iraq dipping people toe first into acid bath, scooping childrens eyes out with ice cream scoops, putting political enemys into wood chiippers.. hey wait, iraqi's dont have to fear that anymore, saddam is in jail.
2. now thats stupid .. americans love their country because they are not taxed to death, forced to pay for royal family's grocery bill, forced to pay for everyones health coverage (government healthcare), we dont pay 7$ a gallon for petro, we dont have horrible unemployment problems, and our GDP is f'n huge ... and for gods sake we dont eat fish and chips. |
I like the way you think! For anyone that thinks that Abu Ghraib was the horror of horrors......try watching Shadows in The Sand.....now that is torture.
And yes Element, Way too many people drink the Kennedy Kool-Aide around here...it is sickening. I bet the same people that vote for him won't let him drive them anywhere! |
Abu Gharib is bad, and American prisons are deplorable...Human Rights Watch (which has been ironically criticised by China for an alleged pro-American bias. Frankly, I think the C"C"P and both parties in the U.S. are in cahoots, but I don't feel like going into that right now, as I have some vacuuming to finish...Put it this way...Anybody who has ever read an objective account of modern Taiwanese history would have a hard time disagreeing with the assertation that Taiwan is nothing more than a staged pissing contest between the two nations and that since the rise of Lee Teng-hui and his radical democratic reforms, there has been a tri-partite agreement between the Kuomintang, the Chinese CONmunist Party, and America's rulers to ensure that the Waishengren right-wing pan-Chinese nationalist elite is able to eventually turn Taiwan into a Sino-American puppet state...Of course, A-bian is too naive and trusting of America to realise this, which makes the Democratic Progressive Party a dead end towards Taiwanese emancipation) released a report on the state of Maryland's youth jails a few years that was a real eye-opener to me. I have similar faith in Amnesty International: They may be hard on the U.S., but one look at their reports suggests that they don't put the kid gloves on when calling any regime out (including my own in Canada) for any sorts of huamn rights abuses.
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you sure know alot about china.
they make good lo mein too.
in all seriousness i think Amnesty International is a bunch of hokey crack pots.
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even if we were torturing prisoners ... so what, these are terrorist launching bombs at iraqi citizens and american troops.. and why is the left calling for gitmo to be closed ... are they going to house these terrorist ???
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I think you're confusing two issues.
So, the last *big* terrorist problem in the us whas the whole militia thing that blew up that fedral building in oklahoma. It seems to me the FBI pretty much took that apart. Terrorists aren't an army, the're a handful of crazy people that need to be stopped. It's a job for cops, not armies.
The folks at gitmo not involved with flying planes into buildings are prisoners of war. the govenrments they were fighting for have collapsed. send them to iraq and afghanistan to face war crimes charges, or let them go. a private does what he's told, not masterminding killing millions of americans. By and large the're just grunts. you can pick out the super villians after a few years. execute them. To put it another way, do you think the pope was a nazi on purpose? he did what he did, because he had no choice. folks in afghanistan didn't have cnn coverage before the war, all they heard was, the infidels are coming, kill them.
catch terrorists with police. it's cheap (relative to war) and very effective. grunt soldiers aren't responsible for war, they do what thier told. Non grunt soldiers need to be hanged ASAP.
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Originally Posted by Glival
I'm curious as to what the USA people answered to the following questions:
- "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."
- "No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it."
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- "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."
Strongly disagree. That line of thinking sickens me. That's how guys like Hitler could do what they do. Its almost the same line of thinking as law = morality, which is another pet peeve of mine.
- "No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it."
I agreed, but not strongly. Of course you can be happy to live where you do, but that's not what the question is really asking. I'm just not very big on the whole nationalist thing. I wouldn't really say it was "foolish", and don't look down on people that do, its just not something I'd feel.
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1. no ... if we were over in iraq dipping people toe first into acid bath, scooping childrens eyes out with ice cream scoops, putting political enemys into wood chiippers.. hey wait, iraqi's dont have to fear that anymore, saddam is in jail.
2. now thats stupid .. americans love their country because they are not taxed to death, forced to pay for royal family's grocery bill, forced to pay for everyones health coverage (government healthcare), we dont pay 7$ a gallon for petro, we dont have horrible unemployment problems, and our GDP is f'n huge ... and for gods sake we dont eat fish and chips. |
First of all I didn't mean to insult anyone, it's just that I sometimes don't understand the pride people take in living in the USA.
I like living in The Netherlands; due to the taxing no one lives in poverty (you get money from the state if you don't have a job, but you have to prove you've been searching for a job), and everyone can get basic healthcare, wether they have money, insurance, or not. We do have a national debt, but it isn't that extreme (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/). But that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to live in the USA, Norway, France, or whatever.
About Iraq, I've heard so many reasons to justify invading the country, what's the main reason according to the USA politicians?
I totally agree with Michael by the way.
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First of all I didn't mean to insult anyone, it's just that I sometimes don't understand the pride people take in living in the USA.
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And you probably never will.
I BLEED RED [WHITE AND BLUE] MOTHERFUCKER!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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I'm a definite believe in patriotism and being proud of where you are from. If you don't like your origins, you will probably be eternally depressed.
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26
Almost dead center.
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i was right where you are... maybe my neutralness explains why i find politics and political conversations to be a snooze fest. |
I love politics. A ridiculous amount. I spent most of my junior and senior year debating politics with the rest of my school. I showed up to rallys and went anti-rallyying. I was hardcore. Now that the elections over, my boner for politics has decreased. When it starts kicking up again, Ill restart my efforts at making sure hillary clinton doesnt get into office.
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I'm a definite believe in patriotism and being proud of where you are from. If you don't like your origins, you will probably be eternally depressed.
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Or english. they seem eternally depressed as well.
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my current avatar tells you which way I lean.
George McGovern for President!
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Pretty right wing here. Lousy liberals...:P
Good thing they're giving me their money. haha.
Go Bush.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49
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"No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it."
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That's as weak as folding aces preflop. I don't care where you're from. We each owe it to our people to take some pride and contribute to our country's progress.
The "foolish" comes when you let national pride eclipse rational thinking. That's when you skew reality and - as an example - become the founder of the KKK.
I used to say to my friends that I have an obligation to better myself and appreciate what I have because I could have just as easily been born a one-legged Guatemalan girl. So I do understand where the statement leads, but I don't agree with it. Sounds European. doh.
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Location: Party 6 max
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03
I don't think the quiz is incredibly accurate. I consider myself relatively conservative. without the quiz, I would put me at about 0,1 although I do have some libertarian tendencies.
I am registered as a republican, but I despise the GOP. If it weren't for Politicians like John McCain and Jim Kolbe(a representative from AZ) I don't think there would be anything nice I could say about the party. The fact that W was reelected I think is a testament to the idiocy and ignorance prevalent in American society.
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Location: Orlando, FL
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i think i agree with you 100% .. even tho i consider myself a libertarian, i do not share the view of the party on foreign policy .. its essential for us to stick our noses in the middle east to protect our way of life (oil)
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even if we were torturing prisoners ... so what, these are terrorist launching bombs at iraqi citizens and american troops.. and why is the left calling for gitmo to be closed ... are they going to house these terrorist ???
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I think you're confusing two issues.
So, the last *big* terrorist problem in the us whas the whole militia thing that blew up that fedral building in oklahoma. It seems to me the FBI pretty much took that apart. Terrorists aren't an army, the're a handful of crazy people that need to be stopped. It's a job for cops, not armies.
The folks at gitmo not involved with flying planes into buildings are prisoners of war. the govenrments they were fighting for have collapsed. send them to iraq and afghanistan to face war crimes charges, or let them go. a private does what he's told, not masterminding killing millions of americans. By and large the're just grunts. you can pick out the super villians after a few years. execute them. To put it another way, do you think the pope was a nazi on purpose? he did what he did, because he had no choice. folks in afghanistan didn't have cnn coverage before the war, all they heard was, the infidels are coming, kill them.
catch terrorists with police. it's cheap (relative to war) and very effective. grunt soldiers aren't responsible for war, they do what thier told. Non grunt soldiers need to be hanged ASAP. |
i think this is where we disagree ..alot of these prisoners are "grunts" of al qaeda and we need to continue to interogate them to get them to spill every last drop of information.. so far the ongoing detainees are helping us out with investigating future attacks, we need to continue to hold them until the war on terror is over, then we should prosecute them with military tribunals.
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Location: Orlando, FL
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First of all I didn't mean to insult anyone, it's just that I sometimes don't understand the pride people take in living in the USA.
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And you probably never will.
I BLEED RED [WHITE AND BLUE] MOTHERFUCKER!
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werd to your ancestory ape.
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Location: Orlando, FL
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Now that the elections over, my boner for politics has decreased. When it starts kicking up again, Ill restart my efforts at making sure hillary clinton doesnt get into office.
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AMEN TO THAT.
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