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Research shows that there are huge discrepancies in IQ based on race, but it also shows that to be just correlation, not causation. In the US, whites and Asians have the highest IQs while blacks and Hispanics have the lowest, but it's not due to any inherent capacity. It's due to poverty. Malnutrition and lack of education, to be more precise. Once those factors are equaled out, there is shown to be zero intellectual difference between ethnicities. On a different note, if I wanted to speculate about if there is actually a biologically superior race, I would probably have to go with African American. There are several reasons for this. 1) Dark skin is simply better than white skin in modern society. White skin exists because humans migrated far north where there was little sun, and the less melanin, the more Vitamin D the skin absorbs from the sun. Since Vitamin D is super duper important for health, white skin got selected for by nature in the northern regions. However, we don't have this problem anymore since we can drink milk or take supplements. Normally, a black person who lived in the UK would be deficient in Vitamin D, but due to modernization, they don't have to be anymore. On top of that, darker skin doesn't burn like white skin, and thus being out in the sun is much easier, and this is a hugely important factor in happiness. Being out in the sun a lot is very underrated, but it's also something that light skinned people cannot do that well. And when white people do spend time in the sun, they end up soaking up so many rays that they photo age prematurely. Dark skin doesn't really have this problem since it doesn't absorb nearly as many rays. Think of how there's a sort of stereotype among white people that it's hard to tell how old a black person is. Well, if true, I would suggest it's simply because black people don't photo age prematurely that often, whereas white people do more often, and so some black people can be older than they look when compared to their white equivalent 2) I say African American, not just African, because during American slavery, there was some selective breeding of blacks. IMO, this is why sports like football are dominated by blacks. Slave traders and owners selected the biggest and strongest, and after several generations of pseudo-selective breeding, African Americans on average are bigger and stronger than white Americans. On the flip side, one could make the argument that some Asians or whites are superior races based on an entirely different view. This view being longevity. The oldest people on record are by far white and Asian, and this could be due to several factors. Being relatively smaller than and consuming fewer calories and having smaller organs or something else could be why whites and Asians seems to live longer than blacks, but this could also be a pure and simple correlation and not causation just like with the IQ. There's a gigantic pool from which whites and Asians are able to live to their fullest potential, but not with blacks. Most of them live in Africa where death rate is super high, and most of those who live in modern societies are at or below median incomes. While the oldest person who ever lived was a French chick who smoked for like 80 years, if the tables were turned and white people were impoverished while black people were the ones who lived in modern societies, we may see the oldest people being black But really, what it boils down to is that we're all extremely closely genetically related. We're still the same fucking species. Different species can still be super duper similar to each other, but we're not even that far. In fact, race is likely just an artificial construct, and on the medical level, there may be virtually no difference. There was a time when some thought that African Americans were more susceptible to heart disease, but we now know that's not true from a biological standpoint. It's diet related (due to higher levels of poverty, on average, blacks consume less healthy food), and this makes sense since geneticists also think that humans are just not different enough from each other to create medical distinctions based on race That's different than direct lineage, though. Close relatives and ancestry plays a very important role in medicine. As a personal side point, I've thought for quite a long time now that if I ever had kids I would want them with a black chick. I'm extremely white, and this has caused several problems for me (burn like crazy and absolutely awful teenage acne for starters), they're things that I would not want my kids to go through, and making them half black would eliminate many of them. |
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meh....as much as I love other races I might as well stir things up a bit - WHITE POWER |
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
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My name is Ryan. What does that suggest? |
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here! "You are a degenerate Gaam-balur" http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here! "You are a degenerate Gaam-balur" http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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| wuf, estimates on how long it will take for race to virtually no longer exist? I mean I for example often come across people who upon meeting me have no clue what race I am. It would seem that as the world becomes more and more globalized the "pure" breeding pools will inevitably shrink until they simply dont exist. So, ya, how long do you think it would take? | |||
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I also think that this works better with half black and something else than with half white and something else because Africans tend to have more pronounced features of the sexual variety than the other races, and it's pronunciation of certain features that stimulate sexual attraction. |
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Having said that, in the US, whites will be a minority by 2050 due to immigration from Latin countries and some degree of increased melting pot breeding, but it will still be very regional. In Hawaii, whites are already only like 25% of the population, I think maybe someplace like Texas or Arizona might only be 50% white, but even if the entire US is 40% white, I'm sure there will be several very white regions in Wisconsin or Utah or wherever. As for when standard is some huge melting pot, it's just really hard to say. Whites are already a massive global minority (think: China, India, Africa, etc), and it's possible that over this century and the next we will find East Asia making a comeback, so to speak, and become the world leaders. I don't see that happening anytime before 2050, though, and even then it will only be in certain aspects that China may become a world leader. For example: US giving up its massive militaristic dominance is loltastic. That will not happen in our lifetime, and it will probably never happen. IMO, we're in a new era of globalization where Rome type paradigms don't apply, and we're not going to see rise and fall of empires much anymore due to interdependence. Anyways, I would estimate that we're looking at like 2200 or 2300 before power shifts from white hands to the melting pot's hands (but it even could be as far as 3000, but we'll all be made extinct by AI by then), but I really don't know because the further into the future one predicts the higher the margin of error, so it's almost pointless to look that far ahead. It really boils down to incentivizing intermingling of ethnicities, and that requires huge money interests. The US is a great example of this. We're the melting pot simply because we're extremely wealthy and everybody wants to be here. If Norway was the place to be then it would be a melting pot as well, but it's not, and will likely not be any time even remotely close to soon On a different topic, I predict an even larger gap between rich/poor and ethnicities in the future. This will be due to biotechnology being expensive. There may come a time when wealthy people can have designer babies and smart chips, while poor people still can't afford a dentist visit. As is obvious, I don't really have much of a direct answer to the question. I just don't know, and I don't think anybody does. The only numbers I've actually seen are the ones involved with US whites being minority around 2050 Also, I never addressed the other end of the race spectrum. I think that Africa will be dominated by blacks for a very long time. Wealthy interests make money by keeping some third world as third world, and the only way for Africa to no longer be dominated by Africans would be if there was massive immigration from wealthy from other races, it hasn't happened that much yet, and I don't think anybody can predict why or how it would happen. There are just so many freaking factors. Interesting to note, whites tried to emigrate to Africa, but were beaten back by disease. So we're probably going to have to eradicate many diseases before we find wealthy people from modern areas emigrating to humid areas like SE Asia, South America, and Africa |
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Go find any science forum on the web and you'll see that they've all had several pragmatic race threads that don't get out of hand because, well, adults can act like adults |
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This might be a good place to share a piece or two of my childhood with you all. When I was 3-4 my parents were in line somewhere like Kmart or Walmart and there was a black person behind my parents. I was in the cart facing backwards. I asked (at the top of my lungs), "MOMMY, IS THAT A NIGGER?" According to my parents, that's probably the first time I ever saw a black person irl. The first black person I remember seeing and talking to on anything close to a regular basis was a kid in my grade who transferred to my elementary school for about 6 months and his name was Jamal. He lived with his mom and never knew his dad. After that, I didn't really interact with any black people at all until I was in high school. I also wasn't regularly around anyone who was hispanic or Asian until high school. There were a few dozen hispanic kids and maybe two or three Asians. To give an idea of the size of my high school, there were about 290 people in my graduating class. When I was say 6-7 or so, I truly believed that "the reason Mexicans and black people don't get along is that the black people are scared Mexicans are going to steal their welfare." When I was 12 or 13, maybe 14, it was the first time they stopped letting this off-shoot of the KKK have a "float" (ie: a small trailer being pulled by a pickup truck, like all of the other floats) in the July 4th parade in the nearest town to here. When I was somewhere around 9 I started to have actual thoughts and sort of took it for granted from then on that racism was pretty stupid. To me it's interesting because I truly have no idea where it came from. I hadn't really interacted with other races to have something to conflict with the information I was being given from my parents. I often wonder why I had that moment at such a young age and why people like my dad never had it at all. |
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 these need to be weighted based on the distribution of whites and blacks in the population, but it comes out to be something like blacks are 50 times as likely to commit crimes against whites as vise versa. cliffs notes of wuf's inevitable response: socioeconomic differences, malnutrition, rigged court system, and physically dominant race. inexcusable. |
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inexcusable? Lol, this is simple mathematics and you pointed it out to yourself. There are simply more whites as targets for blacks than there are blacks as targets for whites. Also if I were a financially motivated criminal, who would I target? Poor minorities or the rich majority? Furthermore the implications of white collar crimes are often indirectly, if not directly, harmful to lower middle class and lower class people which many minorities fall into. Yet these crimes wouldnt be calculated into your nifty little pie chart. |
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It's not my pie chart, and it's mostly to spurn some real discussion and I'm especially interested in what wuf says to be honest. And also, it bothers me that the subject can't be civilly talked about because people are too afraid of not coming off as being politically correct. |
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Just kidding dthorne I have no clue what you look like. I just assume you're ugly because what kind of loser hangs out on a poker forum amirite? |
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what does "perceived race" mean? are these crimes counting things like burglaries where most honkies are gonna blame a darkie? I find topics on any prejudice pretty fascinating because no matter how unprejudiced I strive to be, I know that I have a shitton of prejudices and am sure that I act on them. I also find it bizarre how people are generally afraid to own up to the fact that many stereotypes exist because there is some truth to them. |
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As for the pie chart More information is needed. Notice how the chart says 'perceived race of offender'. This suggests to me that it's not based on hard facts exclusively, but includes anecdote. This can skew results quite a bit It's important to remember that this data is not in anyway claiming WHY any of this is happening, just THAT it's happening. Once we realize that we can then look for evidence to explain why, and I'm confident that the evidence doesn't show that it's for genetic reasons. Keep in mind that if somebody thinks the chart represents data based on the genes of people, that they're claiming that blacks are inherently more criminal or hateful or whatever than whites. And frankly, it's wrong because there actually is no evidence for it. Seriously, find evidence that shows blacks are more criminal than whites due to genetic reasons. People make the mistake of thinking that data that claims something happens is also claiming why that something happens, and that's simply not the case. This is super common, and one reason why it's easy for somebody to point to higher crime among blacks as evidence that blacks are inherently more criminal than other races, but in reality their conclusion is nothing but an assumption and a facepalm Now, on to what the evidence does claim Consider this: 98% of people who shoplift DVDs from Best Buy are not multi-millionaires. Think about this. While I pulled this statistic out of my ass, it's probably actually true. In fact, it's probably closer to 99.9%. Now, why would that be? Well, it's obvious; multi-millionaires have literally zero incentive to shoplift DVDs from Best Buy. What this would then show is that shoplifting from Best Buy was purely an economic thing. Now, apply this logic to ethnicity and economic status. We find that blacks are poorer than whites, and so we would actually predict that there should be greater black on white thievery. The only thing I'm trying to illustrate is motivation. When you're somebody who was born and raised poor, never got a good education, maybe you're undernourished; you're substantially more likely to be a criminal because that's a much bigger option on your plate than on wealthy and well educated peoples' plates. Think of The Wire. If you haven't seen it, you should make it the next thing you watch because it is more awesome than awesome. Anyways, it's about slums in Baltimore, and half the characters are kids who grow up ridiculously poor and uneducated and in a culture that favors crime, and lo and behold, most of them become criminals when they grow up. Having said all that, this chart looks like it's about anecdote, and thus it isn't data on actual crime, but on accusations of crime. That's an entirely different thing. It could be a bunch of white people saying they saw a black guy running away with their stereo. While sometimes that's true, anecdote gives no indication about how true. |
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We put WAY too much focus on the superficial and too little on the profound. We're scared to death to say 'nigger', but we vote for Congresspeople who do their damnedest to make sure that the majority of black people are oppressed. Reality is that speech is not what's truly racist, but action. While I understand that people can find racial slurs offensive, that doesn't mean that using the slurs is racist. Even if the slur reminds them of terrible actions of racism, it's still not itself racist. Now, if I oppressed an ethnicity based on their race then that would be racist. I feel kind of awkward claiming this, but really it's because I see how we're so fucking sure to eradicate the appearance of racism that we tend to neglect actual racism. Another thing is that a lot of people like to think that we live in a post-racial society or something. While that's kinda true, it's not. On the micro level, many of us are not racist, but on a macro level, society is still very racist. Check out the Southern Strategy, how it's a cornerstone of the Republican Party, and how it's completely and utterly about racism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy On a side note, notice how we have a plethora of laws that deal with actions of racism, but nothing that deals with racial speech. There's a reason for that. P.S. Please don't think that I'm making light of racial slurs. While I cannot empathize with anybody (because I'm white and born and raised in a more or less liberal community), I won't suggest that racial slurs are meaningless and unoffensive. There are many things you can say to me that would immensely piss me off, but because none of those things are racial slurs doesn't mean that for somebody else they aren't. The last thing I want to do is offend somebody with what I say. While I will contend that I don't mean anything racist by my words, I will not contest that somebody may find what I say offensive |
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If blacks are so superior, why haven't we had a black president yet? Ohwait... |
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interesting point about selective breeding due to slavery, never thunk of that be4. Question, rate my racism, if someone cuts me off on the road they're automatically a non-white female over 60 before I even see them. |
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OK...this thread is derailing quickly. I'll guess I'll get it back on track... That pie chart of "black on white" vs. "white on black" crimes is retarded. There are SO many factors that result in these crimes that the pie chart cannot encompass. You cannot simply say "blacks are more aggressive towards whites; this is inexcusable." What I DO find inexcusable is the fact that these pie charts are being created without all things being created equal. We should all agree that there is a difference in education, poverty, etc. between whites, blacks, Hispanics, etc. Obviously there are going to be more crimes committed by blacks against whites. One reason (which was already pointed out) is the simple arithmatic of it. Another (again pointed out) was that there is no reason for whites (basically, those with the wealth in most countries) to look to rob/mug blacks (usually, those with little/no wealth). You rarely hear of a well-to-do black man robbing or stealing from a white person. So what's the variant in the black vs. white crimes (Hint: it isn't the color of their skin)? Obviously, with this brought across, we must look into WHAT factors come into play when we see that non-whites are more likely to be at or under the poverty level than whites (and no, it's not because they're just lazy). This can spawn a 10-page essay... |
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Fair enough on the pie chart. Bad source, bad assumptions, lots of unclear stuff. My bad. New subject-- Interracial rape. Here's another subject where there are a lot of blurry numbers, bad sources, and unclear conclusions. Mainstream media won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. So you have to do a little digging. From the US Department of Justice site: http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm Going to use the 2006 file because it's the most recent listed: http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus06.pdf Table 42: Percent distribution of single-offender victimizations, based on race of victims, by type of crime and perceived race of offender  Analysis: 194,270 verified reports of rape/sexual assault against whites. Approximately half by whites, 1/6 by blacks, 1/6 by other, 1/6 not known. Bringing out my calculator, .167*194,270 gives us 32,443 black on white rapes. 17,920 verified reports of rape/sexual assualt against blacks. 0.0% listed by whites (*more on this in a bit), 43% by black, 32.3% other, 24.7% not known. *I'm pretty sure that the 0.0% number can mean up to 10 but I'm not immediately sure on this. Still though, it paints a pretty ugly picture, 32,443 verified reports of black on white rape/sexual assault and between 0 and 10 verified reports of white on black rape/sexual assault. It should be noted that rape and sexual assault should be more clearly defined. As in, I'm not really sure what would constitute sexual assault for these specific numbers. It varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and I'm sure from study to study. The numbers are not wrong and it's a reoccurring trend you can check for yourself if you want. What's the excuse for this? Here's my commentary. Somehow this thread got derailed into genetic differences between the races that doesn't particularly interest me. I am *NOT*, in any way, shape, or form, suggesting that blacks are inherently more violent than whites due to any genetic reason or anything like that. Realistically, there are very real problems with black america that tend to get swept under the rug and never talked about. The entire subject is far too complex for me to give a reasonable solution to it, but here's a start: Why can't a prominent member or members of the black community stand up and say, "This is wrong. This needs to stop, yesterday." Remember the Duke Lacrosse case and how the players were HOUNDED by Jesse Jackson, NAACP, etc. Where are they when it (allegedly) happens the other way around? Of course it doesn't suit their own interests so obviously that's ridiculous. But think about how freely and openly minorities can talk about race, but as soon as whites even approach the subject, they are automatically labeled racist. It's a joke. |
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Many rapes go unreported for a plethora of reasons, it is possible that we could assume these reasons come into play more often with black women. Im not saying this is true, Im just saying its a possibility and therefore would easily skew the results. Also looking at our society you can easily see more of a reason for a white woman to faslely accuse a black man of rape than the other way around. Again this is just a possible reason for these numbers to be skewed, not a hard fact. Also again youre playing with numbers to make them look different then they actually are. Again there are more white targets than black targets. And lastly, there are not problems with black america, there are problems with america. People washing their hands of the problem because they are not black only perpetuates the things that fuel the fire. It is very similar to iraq or afghanistan and our "nation building" efforts. Its really easy to say "omfg how can these towel heads not appreciate what we are trying to do for them? They are just savages, ect ect." But the truth really is that we had a huge roll in creating the climate in which these horrible things are happening. Yes they have responsibility too, but in the end its we as whole (planet) that have a responsibility to rise above and be civil. |
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And reasoning for the small amount of rape of white vs. black? Maybe white males just don't like black females (yeah, yeah, I understand rape goes the other way around as well, but that's for a different thread). Maybe the police officers dismissed the police report a black female tried giving (easily possible). Again, a NUMBER of factors contribute to this. I don't think the color of their skin or genetic background has anything to do with their desire to rape [whites]. Why are most serial killers white? Something needs to be said about that! Quote:
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1. There is genetic difference between the races there are some statistical factors that you can observe between races as much as race is a "social" construct you can literally take measurements of the testosterone levels and see the differences between the averages which is what explains athletic ability also higher sexual drive also propensity for violence now before you call me sexist/racist you should consider that these things are scientific facts each individual could have different levels of testosterone, and an individual with high levels of testosterone is not immediately a criminal note that black females also commit less violent crime than white males, so it's more of a testosterone issue than race issue 2. IQ test are not culturally biased because everyone tried to make an IQ test that was "culturally-neutral" and they all failed or created IQ tests that have nothing to do with measuring g. Think about it, if such an IQ test existed, the government would surely have implemented it given the political pressure to do so. It might be nutrition/education or whatnot, but the fact is that on any IQ test whites score higher than blacks. I'm not going to try to explain why. It is just fact. |
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Because BooG, if the goal is equality (which is something that I honestly support), how can a MASSIVE inequality like this go unmentioned? And, it's people like you that don't allow the discussion to happen in the first place. No, you didn't explicitly say it, but I got your point loud and clear. Attack my reasoning, facts, argument, or whatever, but not my character. I'm not even going to go down that road. You can excuse robberies by bringing up socioeconomic differences, get around the rape issue by saying that many aren't reported, whatever. It's a clear and consistent trend over many decades with every single type of violent crime. If blacks ever want to achieve true equality, that *has to stop* one way or another. It's many things, economic, cultural, etc etc. |
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Another point: I think it is GREAT that the US finally elected a black president (political views can go in another thread). However, I never thought it was right to vote for him BECAUSE he was black. I think this discussion came up in another thread. But it shows how far we've come on the whole race issue. Anyway, I can already see that this thread is going to go in the wrong direction. It's sad because if we can't openly and honestly debate this type of subject on an online forum, it shows how far away it is from being discussed mainstream. Oh well, just trying to stimulate good discussion, no malicious intent here. |
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And I love discussions on race relations. I'm not calling you a racist Lukie. I have friends that (I perceive) to be just like you (again, perceive since I don't really know you). I just hate to see numbers & stats being thrown up on a thread and seeing these numbers being looked at in the wrong light. These numbers are simply the surface; the cause is much deeper. |
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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Lukie, really? Really? You really think there's solid ground to build blacks > whites based on criminal statistics? |
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray. You mean the revolver, sir? Precisely.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray. You mean the revolver, sir? Precisely.
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Alright, I'm close to having a stroke. Get this. The world is unfair. In nature, an ally is valuable, an enemy is death. If someone is like you in every way, they'd be you're best friend. Unlike you in all ways, your worst enemy. There is no discussion for racism. It exists. In some cases, it's as bad as people claim. In others, it's people trying to make their own gains by tossing the phrase around. Get over it. Racism is a relic of evolution that no longer serves our best interests. But it'll be around as long as humans are. So we just have to fucking deal with it. edit and its not hard to overcome racism. Racism is instinct. Just let the calmer side of your brain remind you that you're a dirty racist, and you'll only shroud that fact from the world if you try to. edit edit im not so close to having a stroke afterall. I think I assumed a lot of the conversation and it wasn't there. |
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It's not so much that they're culturally biased because the skills are truly fundamental intellectual skills that show a strong correlation with intellectual capacity, but that they are affected to a degree by education. Things like recognizing shapes and patterns are not culturally biased This is one reason why it's about a range, not a specific number. You scoring 120 and me scoring 115 doesn't mean that you're smarter than I am because we are within the same range that allows us to compensate for margin of error. Having said that, IQ tests haven't been changed for like 100 years because intelligence is simply that difficult to figure out, and they're only considered one aspect of what intelligence really is. They are, however, still extremely valuable measures of somebody's capacity to perform complex tasks. |
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As for the black white rape thing I suspect that white guys actually don't want to rape black women. Seriously. Find me one white dude who, in the back of his mind, isn't thinking that her homeboys gonna hunt him down. This is a huge stereotype in our society, and it plays. There are many, many other factors that skew results as well, but really there's only one that matters. And that is that there needs to actually be evidence that genes are what cause these statistics. So far we have zippo. It's our species' inherent irrationality and bigotry that makes us assume that it's because of genes. And I understand what Lukie is doing. You gotta ask questions to get answers, sometimes it's called playing Devil's Advocate. |
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wuf, reading your last post just set off a lightbulb for me.... look back on our countries history.. white women have long been portrayed as the victim.. as the damsel in distress. Especially in a racist way, white men have openly feared black men "taking their women." Black women on the other hand are often shown in a different light. They are seen as strong and independent. It would only be natural that a rapist would target someone he sees as a victim. It is a domination thing. Obv on an individual level I am not making an excuse for any rapist, but I am saying that this trend actually makes sense and it would seem to be started by the "dont put your filthy negro hands on my white woman" attitude of whites.. |
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