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02-17-2006, 06:56 PM
Post subject: Theist or Atheist?
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Very simple, y/n/idk.
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not sure anymore, ive become a lot less atheist in the past few years. i dont really follow any set religion, but i think ill find a religion that appeals to me sooner or later.
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Absolute atheist.
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Absolute agnostic.
Grew up in a Southern American Christian society, so I have unfortunately developed a sub-concious hatred of Christians.
Not anything against any of our posters who are Christian, its just when during your upbringing every Christian you know is a racist/sexist/homophobic hypocrite, it puts an irreparable dent in your psyche. I do have lotsa Christian friends and we have wonderful political/religious debates regularly.
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I have throughout my life gone through some severe spiritual swings, but I cannot help but believe in a supernatural or spiritual world, and I prefer to encapsulate my lack of understanding of those supernatural things in the guise of a creator.
I used to go to church religiously (haha), and at one point in my life I could quote chapter and verse on many subjects. After seeing such things used for more harm than good and more separation than unity, I disavowed much of that. What's funny about that situation is the way people treat you once you are out of the fold.
At any rate, my 34 years have taught me that I know very little about very little. As a result, I have very little respect for anyone who is not willing to consider all available information on either side of this particular coin.
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Hey DMan are you a fan of Bill Hicks? Most Atheists/Agnostics (and particularly the English) are.
Just curious.
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I cannot stand organized religion. More wars have been started over who's god has a bigger dick than a person can count.
I do not believe in any gods, but I do not rule out the possibility that they could exist.
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I cannot stand organized religion. More wars have been started over who's god has a bigger dick than a person can count.
I do not believe in any gods, but I do not rule out the possibility that they could exist.
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My lack of gods can beat up your lack of gods.
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There's like four of us that get that. I feel privledged.
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not sure anymore, ive become a lot less atheist in the past few years. i dont really follow any set religion, but i think ill find a religion that appeals to me sooner or later.
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You better stick to atheism if you ever want to marry me, thats for damn sure
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I cannot stand organized religion. More wars have been started over who's god has a bigger dick than a person can count.
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I hear this frequently. It is true.
But I just have to point out the mega-millions killed by non-believers over the last 100 years -- Stalin, Hitler, PolPot. I think I'd prefer a cranky Imam to any of those three. 
But that's beside the point. What the said believers do can't influence the existance of Diety. No more than the history of Stalin can influence the validity of athieism.
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I believe in Shania.
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There's like four of us that get that. I feel privledged. |
You're not as special as you think.
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I think the radicals give other religous types bad images. I believe in God, I attend Church, I pray. To me, being religous isn't about rules and regulations of what you can and can't do, its more about the belief (and relationship) with God.
I would never force religion down the throats of anyone. If you don't go to church, fine you are no better or worse than anyone that does. I personally believe in a Creator because I can't believe that this entire world and the people on it, with all their intricate details were created by anything else.
I feel everyone has the right to believe whatever they want to believe but no one should look at anyone else as better or worse because they believe (or don't believe) in a certain something.
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I've thought about making a new sn on various poker sites with shania, or some other meta-game reference worked into it. Thoughts? Horrible idea Lukie?
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I dont believe in God. Im a scientist so I need something that at least resembles evidence before I can start to believe in something.... Maybe one day ill have a vision or something but until then....
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Atheist, God and I never really connected. I don't really spend a whole lot of time dwelling on the subject, however, I just try to live my life as well as I can.
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I believe in Shania.
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"I personally believe in a Creator because I can't believe that this entire world and the people on it, with all their intricate details were created by anything else."
the problem that I have with this is to believe it you must deny evolution, and if you deny evolution you probably just haven't learned enough about it
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The creator could have created evolution?
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I've thought about making a new sn on various poker sites with shania, or some other meta-game reference worked into it. Thoughts? Horrible idea Lukie? |
Problem is if someone knows what Shania or metagame is, then they automatically have a step on you, if they know that all you're doing is for metagame.
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I've thought about making a new sn on various poker sites with shania, or some other meta-game reference worked into it. Thoughts? Horrible idea Lukie? |
Problem is if someone knows what Shania or metagame is, then they automatically have a step on you, if they know that all you're doing is for metagame. |
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I think the radicals give other religous types bad images. I believe in God, I attend Church, I pray. To me, being religous isn't about rules and regulations of what you can and can't do, its more about the belief (and relationship) with God.
I would never force religion down the throats of anyone. If you don't go to church, fine you are no better or worse than anyone that does. I personally believe in a Creator because I can't believe that this entire world and the people on it, with all their intricate details were created by anything else.
I feel everyone has the right to believe whatever they want to believe but no one should look at anyone else as better or worse because they believe (or don't believe) in a certain something.
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Im in no way trying to change your mind, but you should read up on the string theory, and all that stuff involving 11 dimensions. Part of it explains how (I could be wrong, this is just waht I remember) the big bang came to happen. And if this is true, big bangs are happening all the time and infinite big bangs have happened, each one spawning a universe. So therefore there are infinite universes, each one being different (since there are infinite ones, possibly there would be repeats?). So a fraction of these universes would have life (as we know it), because instead of remaining as dust clouds, they formed stars, then planets, some of which could harbor life. The thing is, a fraction of infinity, is in fact an infinite amount. So as you can see there would be infinite universes that bear(sp?) life. So as you can see, life is not such a unique thing. We could also go into the fact that the scientific community agrees that mathematically its not only possible but very highly probable that other intelligent life exists within our own universe.
Getting back to the 11 dimensions, we as humans only perceive 3 of those 11. So seeing as we obviously dont not percieve our world in its entirety, we might be lacking in other ways too. For example time, we percieve it as something linear, something that is ordered, something that follows rules. However there is no proof of this, this could quite possibly be only a false perception of ours. The idea that soemthing or someone had to start this all, and give a guiding hand through it all, is just a fabrication of our minds. When the idea was originally concieved, we did not have the capacity to conceptualize the truth. I am not looking to offend anyone, and there is nothing wrong in believe what you believe. However people almost exclusively turn to religion in times of weakness. They use it as a crutch. They use it to explain things that they are not capable of figuring out themselves, or things they are afraid to admit are true.
Ontop of me believing in science and logic, rather then (what seem to be) fantastical explainations (to me), theres the corruption. The holy books of organized religions are so packed with political agendas. For example, most westerners view Islam as a violent relgion. The truth is far from this belief though, it is infact a peaceful religion, but in some cases it has been twisted into something else. This is an example, but is not exclusive to Islam, every religion has been altered and skewed. Certain points being over exagerated, or just straight up added.
All that being said, I respect everyones beliefs. If you need to or want to believe in something and it helps you, more power to yah. I am only explaining my point of view, and why I have that point of view. Even though I chose not to follow any religion, and do not beleive in supernatural things (yes, by all standards god, or gods, are supernatural things), I do recognize the redeeming qualities of religion. At most of thier roots, they are just teaching good moral lessons, and all.
*Yes, I have denoucned your gods, but do not be hypocrites and take offense. By following any religion, you yourself are saying that your god is the right one and everyone else is wrong (your god, or lack of gods or whatever.)
**I believe in science. I beleive there is an explanation for everything. One which comes from science. However I am not saying its not possible for a god or gods to exist. It is almost impossible in most cases to prove a negative. So it is definately possible for there to be a god or whatever it is you believe in. I dont believe in ghosts, but what proof do I have that they dont exist? Nahwahimean?
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btw, I was just thinking about it, and just as time is something that we could possibly only perceieve to be the way it is, however it could be something totally abstarct... I was just thinking about how logic could be the same. Maybe logic is my crutch? Its my religion, when I am feeling down or am having a hard time, I fall back on logic. While you pray for strength or what-have-you, I try to think things through, in a logical manner.
So dont take what I say wrong... I dont think Im better then religious people.
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"I personally believe in a Creator because I can't believe that this entire world and the people on it, with all their intricate details were created by anything else."
the problem that I have with this is to believe it you must deny evolution, and if you deny evolution you probably just haven't learned enough about it
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I don't believe in evolution in the broad sense of the word. I mean I believe that we as people are adapting and changing but I in no way believe that we started as some microorganism and kept changing into other species until we finally reached human status.
I also believe that this entire world is less than 20,000 years old. I know most of you will take that as a ridiculous statement but I'm not really here to argue that because really whats the point?
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"I personally believe in a Creator because I can't believe that this entire world and the people on it, with all their intricate details were created by anything else."
the problem that I have with this is to believe it you must deny evolution, and if you deny evolution you probably just haven't learned enough about it
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I don't believe in evolution in the broad sense of the word. I mean I believe that we as people are adapting and changing but I in no way believe that we started as some microorganism and kept changing into other species until we finally reached human status.
I also believe that this entire world is less than 20,000 years old. I know most of you will take that as a ridiculous statement but I'm not really here to argue that because really whats the point? |
BWAHAHHAHAH!... ok sorry.. I found it funny, so sue me..
And the thing about us finally becoming humans... who said anything about that? You seem to be under the impression that the theory of evolution is saying that we have arrived at something. We are not done evolving in any sense. Hell, we think of napolean as a short lil french guy. In his day he was of average european height. So even in that short of a time things have changed considerably. However to see huge changes you would have to go to prehistorical times. And since our history feels like it goes back a long time, it seems like we dont change anymore. However in the grand scheme of things our history covers so very very very little. It is possible that we as a species will evolve less and less the more we rely on technology, because we adapt without biological evolution. But we have definately not finished evolving.
Anyways, I apologize for being an ass, but I truly found that funny, I laughed at one of my freinds when he tried to explain to me that dinasour bones where planted here by god to test our fate. I dont mean to be an ass.. in all honesty, I just find it funny. You have every right to your beliefs though, but you have to understand that with such 'radical' beliefs people are going to find it humorous.
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Les_Worm - you don't believe in carbon dating? The half-life of carbon-14 is about 5730 years, thats a verifiable fact. Granted the range of carbon dating is maybe 50,000 years or so max before the accuracy starts to break down, but that's still pretty compelling...
Unless of course God spends his time planting excess carbon-14 everywhere just to test our faith.
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I appreciate everyones points of views and beliefs but like I said I am not here to debate anything because rarely are minds changed on subjects like this when most people are so stubborn (myself included). I probably have some stuff that would really make some of you think and if you wanna chat about it sometime hit me up on IM and if I'm not busy we could bounce questions (that neither of us really have the answers to) at each other.
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So my guess of four was off, it was actually seven.
I am just as special as I think. My mommy said so.
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i'm a biology major and know enough about evolution and creationism to destroy most creationist arguments. the way i see things is the best way to approach the world is to believe what i understand. Sure, its pretty hard to argue against a lot of things, I could say everything was created just 1 second ago and god made you with your memories, and you can never prove me wrong, but rather than insist something is true because it can't be proven right or wrong in any way, why not go with what I know to be true and work my way from there?
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"The idea that soemthing or someone had to start this all, and give a guiding hand through it all, is just a fabrication of our minds."
I was raised catholic, dropped it a while ago though. i always teetered between theist and atheist. maybe 2 years ago i was talking with a friend, and the only real reason i was still theist was because I wondered, how did everything start? had to come from somewhere, god right? big bang seemed pretty retarded. But then he mentioned, why is it more rational to believe a god created everything, than to believe it either always existed, or the big bang or whatever.
I kinda got to thinking about it: the people that mock me for believing in the big bang, and then that we all formed through evolution, mock me from the platform that a big mystery man in the sky that we can't see hear or interact with in any way poofed everything into existance right as rain? this is obvious compared to the big bang? huh?
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i'm a biology major and know enough about evolution and creationism to destroy most creationist arguments. the way i see things is the best way to approach the world is to believe what i understand. Sure, its pretty hard to argue against a lot of things, I could say everything was created just 1 second ago and god made you with your memories, and you can never prove me wrong, but rather than insist something is true because it can't be proven right or wrong in any way, why not go with what I know to be true and work my way from there?
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very well put sir, well worth a quote.
btw, les, how do you feel about me seeing humor in your beliefs? I know it sounds so mean and stuff, but do you see how someone who tries to break things down in logical scientific ways as much as possible would find your views funny? I know I sound like an ass, but I cant help finding something funny, and Im just curious if you can see where Im coming from. (if you feel like Im being an ass, just sya "shut up boost" and Ill shut up)
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I kinda got to thinking about it: the people that mock me for believing in the big bang, and then that we all formed through evolution, mock me from the platform that a big mystery man in the sky that we can't see hear or interact with in any way poofed everything into existance right as rain? this is obvious compared to the big bang? huh?
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again, very well put. you should read about string theory, ask vqc he can give you some stuff to read, and heres a link to a miniseries that came on tv a while back, you can download it in full for free.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html
I am curious though why you do/did find it so hard to believe the big bang. What is so fantastical about it? When a star dies, in some cases, it will super compact, then explode, making a nebula. From this nebula a new star will be born, 1 particle atracts another iwth gravity then the gravity of the 2 particles has more gravitational pull, and so on and so forth. Eventually the pressure of the gravity creates enough friction to ignite the star. Sometimes enough matter is left around the star to form planets that form in the same way as the star. We know this happens, this isnt far different from the idea of the big bang. Lots and lots and lots of really compact matter, then boom. If you want to understand what makes it go boom, check out the link about the string theory.
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I prefer science because it constantly questions itself and constantly changes as we uncover new information. No scientist has ever said that what we believe now is 100% how things work and now we understand it all but we have got closer and closer to understanding all the time.
Religion always resists these changes. They write a book that says this is 100% definately how everything happened, and then as society evolves they begin to take things slightly less literally so that it still fits in with science. Religion claims that it knows 100% how everything happened and how everything worked but if that is the case, why are there so many different (and huge) religions.
Compare islam and christianity. If they cant even agree on whether Jesus was the son of God (a pretty important part of the story IMO) then why should I believe either. One has to be wrong, and if one of them is wrong then there is no reason why they cant all be wrong.
I also find the idea that the Earth is only 6000 or 10000 years old laughable. If you want to believe that God put fossils on the Earth just to give palaeontologists something to do then thats ok with me but I really cant take it seriously.
It would be like if someone dug up the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe in a few thousand years time and decided Aslan created the world in 15 minutes, and in the beggining there were talking animals until Humans wiped them out.
I need evidence to believe in something. Religion relies on faith instead of evidence. As a question to our churchgoers here i ask "how strongly did you belive in Santa Claus as a kid, and do you still belive in him now?"
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I said Atheist, but I suppose I'm really an agnostic that is fed up with religion and therefore identify with Atheists more.
The thing that pushes me towards Atheism is a combination of the stupid things religious people do in the name of their religion (and even other religions in the case of American Zionism) and the stupid things people say in the name of their religion.
Easy example that I always use:
When I was 13 or so I was in Sunday School, and I consider this the day I stopped believing, the "teacher" was talking about Noah's Ark. I piped up at some point saying "Do you believe this actually happened as written?"
The teacher said "Of course, all of the things in the Bible happened"
I kind of sat back, incredulous, and let her keep talking about how he gathered EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on Earth (and presumably food for every animal) and put them on a boat, etc. etc.
I started laughing, almost hysterically, and everyone was looking at me like I was crazy. I was made to leave the room, which I did without a fight. My grandmother asked me what was going on and I told her what had happened and (this causes a rift between us even now) added "I just can't take seriously anyone that thinks that actually happened" and went and sat in the car for an hour and a half waiting for them to get out. I never went back.
Since then I've read up on all sorts of religions and beliefs as well as writings and musings by Atheists, and I've found only that my intentional hunch was correct.
Modern Christianity is a form of brainwashing and is basically a socially accepted cult.
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Here's a podcast some of you atheists might like:
http://www.davehitt.com/podcasts/QH_Oh_God.mp3
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You should never wave at people you don't know, cause what if they don't have a hand. They'll think you're cocky. "Look what I got motherfucker, this thing is useful, I'ma go pick somethin up."
- Mitch Hedberg
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Renton
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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To all of my fellow agnostics and atheists posting here:
Stop trying to ridicule what Christians believe. You are being exactly what you tried to break away from. I know I stopped being a Christian because I hated how most Christians were always ramming Christianity down everyones throats. And you guys are trying to ram Athiesm down Les_Worm's throat.
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,141
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You agnositcs and atheists should check out this book.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156...lance&n=283155
You might find it interesting.
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 906
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I imagine the main thing keeping athiests from critically considering the Creator behind strings, life, evolution, carbon14, and man, is that if there is one great being behind it all, critics might have to change their lives. It's much easier to pretend someone else's viewpoint is laughable; God makes them uncomfortable.
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I'm a know-it-all.
No, really.
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Warpe
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Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canuckistan
Posts: 3,905
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"God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of his own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e., everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time." ~Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, Good Omens, 1991
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 706
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Originally Posted by eeeee
I imagine the main thing keeping athiests from critically considering the Creator behind strings, life, evolution, carbon14, and man, is that if there is one great being behind it all, critics might have to change their lives. It's much easier to pretend someone else's viewpoint is laughable; God makes them uncomfortable.
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This may apply to some, but is far from the truth for me. Im a good person, I feel I live a good life. I am not evil, I try and do good things and help people out. If there is a god, and he(Im using he.. if you dont like it fuck off) doesnt let me in heaven(assuming if theres a god theres a heaven..) because I did not follow his specific religion, then fuck him. Seriously if Im going to hell because Im a good person that tries to live a moral life, but dont believe in some silly hypocritical corrupted book, then so be it. Ill have fun being as good of a person as I can be on this earth. If there is a god, Im confident we would get along, and he would understand why I believe what I believe. If he didnt, then what kind of god is he?
Also I never tried to shove anything down anyones throat(ok.. I lied .. but I havent in this context atleast..) I explained the way I see things, and why. I never said that I think anyone else has to see it that way. At times it can be very hard for me to understand how a rational individual can believe in adam and eve, and noahs arch and so on, but if they do, thats cool.
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 725
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hahaha @ the world is 20k years old.
i know passive christians dont deserve much of the heat they bring on themselves, but with statements like this how can they avoid it?
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 706
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oh, I would like to say that I do believe in karma. Maybe its just a very simple form of what most religions originally are / should be. It keeps people in check... it keeps them from being selfish greedy assholes. And then theres the fact that karma sounds almost like carmel, and carmel is really tasty...
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