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03-24-2010, 12:01 AM
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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have any of you guys been following this? how bad is this for online poker to have the owner of a top training site resign for cheating?
High Stakes Scandal: Nick Grudzien Admits to Cheating Poker Blogs
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Stox poker has run into a ton of shit over the last few months with leatherass leaving and another coach quitting as well. Not sure of the whole story but I think Stox is going down.
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There are a lot of low class scum bags in poker. There happens to also be a ton of low class scum bags in most industry's.
I don't think it'll have too much of an impact on the general populations perception of poker tbh.
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BooG690
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I don't think the general population is too aware of this scandal.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Stox poker has run into a ton of shit over the last few months with leatherass leaving and another coach quitting as well. Not sure of the whole story but I think Stox is going down.
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This plus another of their coaches scamming stox users out of tens of thousands of dollars through offsite deals.
It's a shame because they do have some good coaches and vids (Ed Miller being my favorite).
If I was actually paying them anything I'd strongly be reconsidering right now.
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surviva316
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the poker community's PR is vastly vastly strong enough so that fish have no idea about any of this garbage. the worst effect i could possibly imagine is a lack of trust in the coaching community, but that can only be good for the upstanding members of that community like marshall and ISF and so forth.
this one is dramatastic!:
**** 30k hands in a day + profit on 200nl 6m prop bet*** - Page 78 - Poker Beats Brags and Variance
it's impossible to start from the beginning at this point, but it's good stuff
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Originally Posted by BooG690
I don't think the general population is too aware of stoxpoker.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by meeloche
There are a lot of low class scum bags in poker. There happens to also be a ton of low class scum bags in most industry's.
I don't think it'll have too much of an impact on the general populations perception of poker tbh.
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I've never heard of Stox Poker.
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I've never heard of BankItDrew.
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I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Originally Posted by surviva316
the poker community's PR is vastly vastly strong enough so that fish have no idea about any of this garbage. the worst effect i could possibly imagine is a lack of trust in the coaching community, but that can only be good for the upstanding members of that community like marshall and ISF and so forth.
this one is dramatastic!:
**** 30k hands in a day + profit on 200nl 6m prop bet*** - Page 78 - Poker Beats Brags and Variance
it's impossible to start from the beginning at this point, but it's good stuff |
I haven't been following it really but something major just happened and someone just got busted for cheating. Pretty cool wish I had more time.
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BankItDrew
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Stars is doing an investigation and haven't announced their findings yet.
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Just more ammo for the anti poker bigots, ripe and ready to be completely taken out of context and launched at random.
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Apparently Stox is now to be fully "merged" with CardRunners, with effect from May 1.
The weight of scandal, bad publicity and coaches deserting the sinking ship has finally killed it.
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I've never heard of Stox Poker.
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srsly??
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BankItDrew
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srsly
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I looked at the 30k per day thread. Have you actually looked at the players and hands in question? They have spewed off stacks to other players, and the hands they lost to the right guy didn't look rigged either. One hand was 3 or even 4bet pre where the guy who was supposed to be donating had KK. If they were cheating it was very elaborate.
... and the guy having more than one account. As long as he wasn't playing them all at once I don't see how that is newsworthy.
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Keith
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I read through it and it looked pretty obvious to me. two micro limit players (10nl and 25nl players) who were students of the guy with the two accounts who is a friend of the guy doing the prop bet suddenly show up at 200nl tables and blow their rolls stacking off really light against this guy.Its the most they ever lost and most of it went to the guy doing the propbet.
prop bet guy also folded QQ pre against one of them. These students donated something like 740$ to the prop bet guy and he managed to "win" the bet by completing 30000 hands with positive win rate finishing up ~$20
I think the really questionable hand that drew a lot of the attention was where the donator stacked off (pre?) with 10 7.
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oskar
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I read that too, but I think there's a good chance they just made that up. How many 25NL players get coached by 200Nl regs. Look the guys up on PTR - they are just drooling all over the place. - and they lost some substential pots against other players as well.
Bottom line is: nobody should have made substential bets with someone they don't trust. Now they're just being fags trying to weasel their way out of the bet.
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so sick for this to have occurred by a formerly highly respectable training site
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Jack Sawyer
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Originally Posted by oskar
Now they're just being fags trying to weasel their way out of the bet.
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This man speaks the truth.
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Originally Posted by oskar
I looked at the 30k per day thread. Have you actually looked at the players and hands in question? They have spewed off stacks to other players, and the hands they lost to the right guy didn't look rigged either. One hand was 3 or even 4bet pre where the guy who was supposed to be donating had KK. If they were cheating it was very elaborate.
... and the guy having more than one account. As long as he wasn't playing them all at once I don't see how that is newsworthy.
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Tbh after reading that whole thread I am 100% convinced that he cheated in this bet by having his friends chip dump to him.
You have to note in the KK hand, if opp was chip dumping to him he could clearly just fold KK. The good part for OP is that he ended up hitting a flush, so chip dumping wasn't necessary. If you discount KK, the hand looks totally like collusion. Preflop was just a ploy to isolate.
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BooG690
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Two Plus Two Poker Forums - View Single Post - **** 30k hands in a day + profit on 200nl 6m prop bet***
Cheaters confirmed.
BAM!
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BooG690
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Oh, and Sol Reader's apology: Two Plus Two Poker Forums - View Single Post - **** 30k hands in a day + profit on 200nl 6m prop bet***
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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BooG690
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And OP's apology: Two Plus Two Poker Forums - View Single Post - **** 30k hands in a day + profit on 200nl 6m prop bet***
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Ltrain
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Very interesting stuff, how is the founder of Stoxpoker involved in this? I don't understand the connection.
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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Poker is a game that has a history of attractracting scumbags.
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BooG690
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Originally Posted by Ltrain
Very interesting stuff, how is the founder of Stoxpoker involved in this? I don't understand the connection.
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Two separate scandals. It just so happened that the 30K hands scandal was mentioned here so I chose to bump this thread instead of creating a new one.
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Ltrain
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^^ Ok, thanks. What is the summary of the Stoxtrader scandal?
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oskar
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What a douchebag. He could have pulled off the easiest scam in the history of scams and he screws it up.
I should set up a prop bet that I can have 3 people chipdump to me and nobody will figure out who it was.
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BooG690
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More drama hits StoxPoker: http://www.pokertableratings.com/doc...onAnalysis.pdf
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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