A Song of Ice and Fire ***MAJOR SPOILERS from a game of thrones***

[JKDS]

Let the fruit trolling commence!

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[dranger7070]

I think theyll happen within a year of each other.

[Renton]

The arya/tywin shit is great and the stuff with the thirteen is cool too. I think omitting meera and jojen was a good choice as well. I hate the way they are doing the bran/rickon thing right now though. It's so clear that they aren't dead. They should have just not shown them at all after they escaped, just like in the books. I sincerely hope at least that bran and rickon do not show up for the rest of the season, until the the final shot. That would be reasonable redemption imo.

[JKDS]

Im teetering on this whole Dany business just being an illusion by the wizard dude. Idk, something like "you feared losing your people and dragons the most, and that fear became reality in the house of the undying" or some shit.

Irri dying is just NOT COOL. shes hot!!! and has lots of lesbo scenes with dany! wtf cant die >_<

[baudib]

Was it made clear that Jorah had betrayed Dany in Season 1?

[JKDS]

Im pretty sure it was just a bunch of subtle 1 liners and mini scenes. I swear some ppl in KL vaguely mentioned mormont when talking about dany, and Jorah had a few scenes where he was clearly lying to dany in order to get away and receive/send messages.

I remember for a fact that theres a scene that Jorah makes up an excuse to leave for a sec, then accepts his royal pardon from a little ethiopian kid.

[baudib]

It feels like they are condensing a lot of the Dany plotline. It's a little early for the sexual tension with Jorah to be coming to a head, isn't it?

I realize the Dany story is loooong and doesn't seem to go anywhere for long stretches. But in the books, she is a lot like Moses wandering the desert with her flock; the show has made it seem like, at this point, she's all alone in the world except for Jorah, with most of her beloved retainers killed off. Which leaves her as just the Mother of Dragons and the Mercenary Queen.

[JKDS]

It was sort of that way in the books too though. Book 2 didnt have very much Dany at all in it. Her story was in qarth, she had the visions, and then she left and book 3 happens. iirc, the last event in B2 for her was meeting Ser Barristan the Old and then its B3 where she gets her unsullied and really starts to have a hoard.

I think youre right about them speeding up the sexual tension though

[baudib]

The more I think about it, there's very little in Dany's storyline that needs to match up, timeline-wise, with events in Westeros, so I really thought they could do almost anything by now. For example, it'd be plausible to write season 2 of GoT where Dany has an army of eunuchs by episode 7, and Selmy is by her side instead of Jorah.

Um, I don't understand where they are going exactly with Jon Snow. I love Ygritte and all, but Halfhand ordering Snow to kill him is a major fucking plotline that hasn't happened, and I don't know how they are going to do that now.

[dranger7070]

Agreed, in the books he was more 'forced' to become a wildling due to following orders. Now if he does it looks like hes just bitching out. Nitpicking but still pretty lame in my eyes... :/

[JKDS]

Ned Stark takes 6 knights with him to save Lyanna from the Tower of Joy where she was held by 3 of Aery II's kings guard. These knights were absent during the rebellion, and it is believed they would have made a difference in the lannister take over of KL and the deatlh of the mad king.

It was at the Tower of Joy, that Lyanna made Ned promise something. Only Ned and his friend Howland Reed survived...and now with Ned dead only Reed knows what Lyanna made Ned promise.

It was not long after this, that Ned returned from the war to winterfell with the bastard Jon Snow. I think hes definitely the son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, and Lyanna was protected by the kingsguard so that the son of the Prince could be defended during the war.

Interestingly enough, Howland Reed (the only one who knows the promise) is the father of Jojen and Meera (the greenseers helping bran).

Also ya, theyre gonna make jon a turn cloak it seems wtf :/

[baudib]

yeah, it honestly bothers me. Judging by non-spoiler threads, viewers think that Snow is going to get lured away from his brothers by the lure of pussy, and frankly, the way the show is going, that makes sense. But that's not at all who Jon Snow is in the books, and is a major problem IMO.

[JKDS]

Im hoping that what ends up happening...is that Jon gets captured...and halfhand's group also get captured. They get to speak, and then halfhand tells him to kill him etc and he joins the wildlings...instead of just straight up breaking his vows and turning his cloak. I wont be able to accept that

[JKDS]

Lately when im bored, i like going to the other forums and looking at what they think.

I think its f-ing hilarious how theres debates and discussions over whether LF recognized Arya or not

[Renton]

Sigh, there was no good reason to show bran and rickon until the end of the season... Having 3 episodes with no footage of them would have been the best shot at suspending disbelief that they were killed by Theon.

Looks like they are vastly accelerating the Jaime plotline which is pretty fucking great.

[baudib]

Im hoping that what ends up happening...is that Jon gets captured...and halfhand's group also get captured. They get to speak, and then halfhand tells him to kill him etc and he joins the wildlings...instead of just straight up breaking his vows and turning his cloak. I wont be able to accept that

That was a good call, I should have trusted in HBO.

sigh, there was no good reason to show bran and rickon until the end of the season... Having 3 episodes with no footage of them would have been the best shot at suspending disbelief that they were killed by Theon.

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Looks like they are vastly accelerating the Jaime plotline which is pretty fucking great.

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I'm not exactly sure I like how they did the Catelyn thing though, it just makes her look like an incompetent weakling.

I liked the episode, surprised some people didn't.

-- Very touching, emotional scenes with Tyrion. Someone remind me, Cersei actually did have Shae killed in the book, right? That led to the "your joy turn to ashes in your mouth" quote.
-- The flirtation with Talisa finally consummated. I think they went to great lengths in this episode to truly show that Robb Stark, his chosen love, Talisa, and Tyrion are clearly made of different moral fiber than the Lannisters, and reminded us of what an evil bitch Cersei was after a shocking moment of tenderness/sympathy for Sansa.
-- Stannis/Dany scenes were throwaways.

[Renton]

No Tyrion finds Shae in Tywin's bed, remember?

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REEEEEEK

[JKDS]

No sansa beatings this episode made me sad. Im also disappointed Ser Dantos hasnt made any attempt to contact her yet.

Still no greenseers. Im guessing their plan is to have them meet bran on the road. I cant honestly see Bran wandering the north with Hodor alone. Also, +1 to delaying the reveal that they were alive.

Dany's scenes are sucking more than her chapters

Stannis just appeared super weak and needy having to explain all that Storms End island crap. Now he appears as just a whiney brother that isnt getting his way instead of the scary version of ned stark.

Cait, meh. She is weak, and she did let jaime go because she was weak. I wish they would have showed Jaime promising the return of her daughters though, as thats one of the major things that changes how we view him.

This episode seemed just silly to me really. Idk if it was rushed or something, but it didnt feel the same as the others. Kinda hard to explain i guess.

The preview for the next episode and had a lot of fire...but it wasnt green like the wildfire was supposed to be. W/e, i just hope they use it in an awesome enough way to make up for Tyrion not having a giant navy defeating chain.

[baudib]

I think it's pretty clear that Osha is going to be Bran's mystic guide.

Stannis is just a huge lifenit and his brief scene just further illustrates why he's a fine soldier and loyal subject but a terrible ruler.

I don't think the reader's view of Jamie really changes until he loses his hand.

[JKDS]

Ya, i guess your right on the jaime front. He gets his first chapters during the beginning of his release and i might have just liked him better for them lol

[baudib]

Are they abandoning the whole part about Arya turning into Nymeria in her dreams?

[JKDS]

Oh man, i cant wait for jaime and theon to get whats coming to them. I hope bolton takes winterfell Sunday too, instead of saving that scene for the last episode.

@Baudib: Im rereading book 2, and arya just killed the first dude. She may have had wolf dreams already, but im not really sure. If she did, they were like passing thoughts and she didnt pay them any attention in contrast to bran's dreams. So it could be that the show is ignoring them because they havent happened yet...or because they seem unimportant to the character. Idk

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REEK REEK RHYMES WITH LEEK.

The series is only making me realize how much more I hate all the Dany parts. Please let Aegon be legit and not a pretender and have him kill Dany imo.

On another note I'm very happy that GRM let the show's writers know how the story ends so if fat man river kicks the bucket i won't rage until eternity like firefly people do

[baudib]

As a Firefly fan, "Serenity" gave me closure.

[JKDS]

I really want the season to end without closure on what happened to Tyrion. That would be soooo troll

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that's not how i remember the battle of kings landing going but w/e. tv viable and all that jazz

[baudib]

Cersei and Bronn killed it this episode.

I'm surprised that people are misinterpreting stuff this episode, like Stannis being taken prisoner and Sansa leaving with The Hound.

[JKDS]

Honestly, I missed what happened to stannis. I saw him on the castle walls at one point, and then Tywin charging in saying the battle was over a few seconds later.

[baudib]

He was pulled away by his men as his host broke ranks, screaming, "Stand and fight!" You don't scream, "Stand and fight" when you're being captured.

[Renton]

If it weren't for all the logistical issues, I could see Sansa going with the hound, but it seems quite clear that Stannis is being pulled away by his own guys.

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If they recasted lord beric fucking dondarrion ima be pissed.

THOROS TOSS ME A REZ

[baudib]

Rains of Castamere was fucking creepy. I agree re: Beric F. Dondarrion.

[baudib]

[JKDS]

All these non book readers are gonna shit their pants when they get to season 4/5. GRRM laughs heartily at their plot armor arguments.

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how fucking great would this season be if they ended it with the red wedding

[JKDS]

Oh man that would be epic!

[Renton]

I think jaime loses his hand this season, red wedding is def season 3 matl

[BennyLaRue]

how fucking great would this season be if they ended it with the red wedding

I'm pretty sure there's only one more episode this season and they're just around the end of the second book. The Red Wedding happened near the end of the third book (which was huge) so probably won't happen until the end of Season 3 or maybe even Season 4.

[baudib]

how fucking great would this season be if they ended it with the red wedding

it would be beyond boss. but no, even though i worked out the logistics of doing this in my head, i don't think they'd do it. they can milk a whole 'nother season of Robb and Cat and "Starks as protagonists" out of this.

[dranger7070]

I just can't wait for the explosion of wuf's head when this happens. Minimum of 7 consecutive posts by him within a day of it happening where he debates how shit is going to turn out.

[JKDS]

AH HA! 'Game of Thrones' scoop: Season 3 character list revealed | Inside TV | EW.com and Game of Thrones: Features - Interview with David Benioff and Dan Weiss

TL;DR: Mance Rayder, Tormund Giantsbane, Daario Naharis, Jojen Reed, Meera Reed, Edmure Tully, Brynden Tully (Blackfish), Selyse Baratheon (Stannis' Wife), Shireen Baratheon (His Son), Olenna Redwyne (Queen of Thorns), Beric motherfucking Dondarrion, and Thoros of Myr were intentionally delayed until Season 3, and not just straight up omitted.

They did this because the important side of the story for these characters doesnt come into play until much later in the books, and Season 2 already introduced a fuckton of new characters. They say that introducing too many characters too quickly gives the audience a headache, and likely tanks a show.

[JKDS]

Further: The battle of the blackwater was included becasue the entire season builds up to it. Battles are super expensive, and even doing what they did made them go over budget.

edit: also, season 3 is splitting the book in two. Idk if that was mentioned before or not. Good plan too, so much shit goes down in that book.

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i remember the house of undying being a lot shitter than presented.

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also how can they kill off dorriaa or w/e the fuck her name is and daxos when hes needed in later books

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WHERE THE BLOODY FUCK WAS RHEAGAR TARGARYEAN!?!?!?!

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i had to watch this ep twice back to back because i was sure i had spaced out for multiple sections for the stuff they did not include

[JKDS]

The whole episode was pretty bad imo. I have problems with everything from plot to acting, but on the plus side the others looked freaking badass.

[Renton]

Yeah the house of the undying was a fail. Her visions there (the three betrayals, etc) are pretty important to the Dany plot line.