Originally Posted by givememyleg

When she first started I tried calling her stupid

Originally Posted by Galapogos

And you're saying this didn't work?!?!

Something I've found in people with addictions is they can't quit until they want to quit. And I don't mean know they should quit or quitting's a good idea, they actually have to have a desire to quit that's stronger than the drug itself. Doesn't always leave a lot you can do that affects this.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

I never understood this. Ive smoked cigarrettes before, and I've never become addicted. Shit, I had 3 cigarrettes last night at a party. I certainly dont feel the need to run out there and buy a pack now. Maybe I just have a low propensity toward addiction? But it always made me scoff at those people who say its so hard to quit. Just... stop buying them? I don't get it.

/ramble

Originally Posted by euphoricism

I never understood this. Ive smoked cigarrettes before, and I've never become addicted. Shit, I had 3 cigarrettes last night at a party. I certainly dont feel the need to run out there and buy a pack now. Maybe I just have a low propensity toward addiction? But it always made me scoff at those people who say its so hard to quit. Just... stop buying them? I don't get it.

/ramble

Originally Posted by thenonsequitur

1) It takes a good amount of smoking to get physically addicted. 3 cigarettes won't do it.

2) There are other social addictions associated with smoking that are MUCH stronger than the physical addiction, and much harder to get away from (see boost's examples in his other thread about smoking).

3) As boost pointed out in this thread there might also be other personal issues tied to smoking where the cigarettes themselves don't have as much to do with the addiciton as these other issues, but they gave been psychologically tied together. Same is true with any addiction.

4) jukejointroach said you're a fucking idiot, which definitely isn't true, but what I think he meant to say is that you're statement showed a surprising lack of thought, like you didn't even try to consider why smoking could be a difficult problem before dismissing it. At the same time, I see exactly where you're coming from. It SHOULD be so simple to deal with. But it's not. A lot of human problems have this attribute.

Originally Posted by boostNslide

how much do you make at poker? Schedule bi weekly massage sessions for her at a local spa. Or buy her one of thoes iJoy massage chairs, they cost about 600$. This stuff wont help though if she isnt ready to quit. I thought the same as her. "man Im stressed with this downswing, Im on break from this tournament I need to go have a smoke." I would go have a cigarette, I would feel better as I smoked, relaxed ect. But 2 minutes after I got back to my desk I was stressed and anxious. Yes smoking can make you feel better right away, but the second you arent smoking, youre gonna feel stressed out.

Now that Ive stopped smoking I feel so fresh. I feel so relieved. I dont play tourneys anymore, but now when I take breaks from cash games, or whatever, I grab a magazine and lay on my bed. Sometimes Ill even venture outside (this is rare) and get some fresh air. Sometimes Ill just sit and think. Ill think about my goals and aspirations, Ill think about my near future and my distant future. When I would smoke it was often just something to do while I think. It was a reason for me to go outside and sit on my porch and enjoy the fresh air (how ironic.) Now I have realised that I dont need to give my self an excuse to just sit and not do anything. I can have downtime now and not have to poison myself while I do it.

Im sorry if this has been a bit of an incoherant rant, the simple point Im trying to make is that to quit you have to want to quit, and to want to quit you have to be completely honest with yourself and let yourself honestly see the reasons you smoke. If you are honest with yourself the reasons to smoke are out weighed by far by the reasons not to.

Originally Posted by boostNslide

oh another thing. I think smoking, just like other addictions, is closly tied to depression in many cases. People get depressed and cut themselves. People get depressed and starve themselves. People get depressed and remain in abusive relationships.People get depressed and poison themselves with liqour, coke, heroin, whatever. They all are the same in that they are being used as self punishment.

The point of this one is that smoking just like other addictions/psychological problems are never as simple as they seem. People arent just addicted to nicotene. Thier nicotene addiction is there, and its real, but theres always going to be a deeprooted problem that is associated with it. Maybe they grew independently of each other at first, but at some point they linked up, and are know conjoined. I have had problems with depression in my life. Nothing crazy, but its definatley been part of my life. I am now facing those problems, and my life is getting much better. If I was in the same emotional state that Iwas in a year ago, therse no way in hell I couldve quit.

Originally Posted by jukejointroach

euphoricism, you are a fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by boostNslide

yah a character flaw that I have is that I dont like doing things when people expect me to do them. I fee like Im letting them win. This isnt with everything, but smoking was one of the things that were effected by this. If I quit it would be like letting them win. Sure its stupid because Im not losing by quitting, but like I said its a character flaw..