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I hope that after all this big talk the democrats will actually do something good.
It'll be real funny for boost if the democrats end up being worse then the neocons he hates so much.
I wonder if they will actually promote middle of the road policies and "work together" like they complain the republicans dont, or if they will just jump into the deep end of liberal policies.
Dear Democrats, if you guys fuck this up, 2008 will turn out bad for you.
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The "deep end of liberal politics" as you put it is looking pretty damn inviting right about now.
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The "deep end of liberal politics" as you put it is looking pretty damn inviting right about now.
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if you believe that hard line conservative ideals are going too far, then why should hard line liberal ideals be any better?
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The "deep end of liberal politics" as you put it is looking pretty damn inviting right about now.
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if you believe that hard line conservative ideals are going too far, then why should hard line liberal ideals be any better? |
Because in the end their pork barrel goes into the economy on a federal level and it least circulates around, instead of going as tax breaks to the private sector so the guy running Exxon can have a $25 billion bonus this year instead of $17 billion.
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I think it's pretty clear that the Democrats have finally figured out that they need to have a 'big tent'. Some of the candidates they ran were practically indistinguishable from moderate Republicans this time out, so I think you're going to see mostly middle-of-the-road initiatives.
Regardless, it's good to see the Republicans get seriously trounced, and Rumsfeld gone. I don't like seeing our Canadian boys dying in Afghanistan any more than Americans like seeing their soldiers die in Iraq, so I'm hoping some action to bring the hostilities to a close (without leaving either of those countries in the lurch to descend into civil war) can be brought about.
No easy answers, but at least there's some fresh winds blowing.
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Because in the end their pork barrel goes into the economy on a federal level and it least circulates around, instead of going as tax breaks to the private sector so the guy running Exxon can have a $25 billion bonus this year instead of $17 billion.
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Wow, I'm impressed by the higher level of thought here rather than clueless hippy ranting.
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Basically the center of the country told the Republicans to shape up or ship out. Once they embraced their vision of big governement and did stupid shit like the online gambling act and mistreatment of PoWs, they lost the support of the socially liberal, fiscally conservitve, small government crowd. The Libertarian vote even swung a few seats and the spite/stay-home-because-you-disgust-me votes had to swing a hell of a lot more.
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The "deep end of liberal politics" as you put it is looking pretty damn inviting right about now.
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if you believe that hard line conservative ideals are going too far, then why should hard line liberal ideals be any better? |
Because liberals are much more honest about how they bend you over. The Neocons are masters of deception.
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I think it might be premature to call it "post-election" time...I like to think of the upcoming several-week-long virginia senate recount as part of the election.
Of course, the dems have the house, and the virginia recount is undoubtedly going to uphold webb's victory, so the senate majority is going their way. But still...
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Because liberals are much more honest about how they bend you over. The Neocons are masters of deception.
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I think this is B.S.
I dislike the way the liberals bend me over less than I dislike the way the neocons do, but it's a fallacy to call either of them honest about it.
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Whoah.
Let us be clear here. The Democrats are not anywhere near to the "deep end of liberal policies" They arn't even in the kiddy pool.
If only we were lucky enough to have a legitimate socialy-liberal party...
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Because liberals are much more honest about how they bend you over. The Neocons are masters of deception.
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I think this is B.S.
I dislike the way the liberals bend me over less than I dislike the way the neocons do, but it's a fallacy to call either of them honest about it. |
Communism was a dismal failure. Communism-light aka Socialism disgusts me.
The Neocons need to learn that it's unacceptable to look the other way when people on your team are corrupt or violating the principals that put them in power.
McCain for Minority Leader!
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Communism-light aka Socialism disgusts me.
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Enjoy those health-care premiums.
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Communism-light aka Socialism disgusts me.
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Enjoy those health-care premiums. |
Enjoy all of the medical innovations driven by your neighboring free market?
Enjoy being able to cross the boarder and get premium service when you need it but your system fucked you?
When we're talking about people's lives, the market is harsh and unfair on a small scale. But it drives down cost and inspires the best and brightest to do great things.
That being said, the American market doesn't value the work done by homemakers well nor does it do a very good job of investing in children and I think this is where a lot of the health care discontent comes from.
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Yes fnord I agree about free markets.. I'm curious though, you arn't implying the republicans would do all of that, are you?
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they lost the support of the socially liberal, fiscally conservitve, small government crowd.
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McCain for Minority Leader!
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Wow Fnord you, I like you. You described my political position better than I do.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Enjoy all of the medical innovations driven by your neighboring free market?
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Americans don't have the franchise on medical innovation, and free markets aren't the only driver of it, not by a long shot. There's tons of advances being driven in Canada and other countries as well. My own little prairie city is a world leader in cardiac research, for example, as well as AIDs amelioration.
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Enjoy being able to cross the boarder and get premium service when you need it but and your system fucked you?.
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Now that we do enjoy. Long live the Mayo!
Interestingly, despite entrenched opposition, Canada is slowly moving to a two-tier system: public, socialized care for everyone and private care for those that can afford it. It's finally being recognized that having private, for-profit care available takes a strain off the public system, which benefits everyone. Market forces work here, too.
I just think that a pure laissez-faire, free market approach, esp. in regard to healthcare, leaves a lot of people out in the cold.
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With those liberal hippies in power our children will be forced to learn crazy rubbish like evolution in our schools!!!!
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With those liberal hippies in power our children will be forced to learn crazy rubbish like evolution in our schools!!!!
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Don't you know anything? Crazy hippies don't believe in evolution. Rather than evolving, they believe they were created as hallucinations in one of God's acid trips.
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As a lifelong republican, I can honestly say that I am pleased with a democratic control of congress and how things shaped up yesterday. That basically sums up my thoughts about how I feel our government has been run in the recent past.
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As a lifelong republican.
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As a lifelong republican, I can honestly say that I am pleased with a democratic control of congress and how things shaped up yesterday. That basically sums up my thoughts about how I feel our government has been run in the recent past.
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i pretty much agree with this and prob with everything that fnord has said.
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someone quick, name the last deep end liberal policy any congress has ever put into place? LOL. As said above, they are trying to be as republican as they can be.
Being farther away from the bloody revolution is probably -EV, but at least maybe the world can start hating us less for starting WWIII... unless they remember that the dems loved the war too until it started polling bad.
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I guess I should say that I have always supported the republican party because democrats are generally clueless. I've always been more of a liberterian at heart, but at least republicans generally understand the importance of a free market, something that I am very high on.
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The LP is too radical on economics for most of America. Basing policy on a strict ideaology isn't practical, and some market regulations are productive. Government should have a decreased roll, and the LP should learn to compromise on the economy.
Edit: A free market is pointless if social freedoms are limited. Not to mention the Republicans have not advocated a free market in recent times.
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yeah, I basically hate the way our government is being run. It's terrible. Hence why I will try to just see what happens from here on out.
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I've always been more of a liberterian at heart, but at least republicans generally understand the importance of a free market, something that I am very high on.
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If this were true of Republicans I would be in support of Republicans. As it stands, I find them to be just as clueless as Democrats and just as much in support (or even more in support) of a big-government fascist market.
And as it stands, Democrats tend to infringe upon my personal freedoms less, so I support them.
At heart, I am as much libertarian as the next person that founds their belief structure on reason, but as a practical matter the libertarian party has no chance in the near future of having an impact on the federal government.
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but as a practical matter the libertarian party has no chance in the near future of having an impact on the federal government.
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Define "near".
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At heart, I am as much libertarian as the next person that founds their belief structure on reason, but as a practical matter the libertarian party has no chance in the near future of having an impact on the federal government.
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So what? If we can increase that party's share of the vote from 1-2% to 5-10% that will make a HUGE difference, as both parties will realize that libertarians form a significant portion of the population. They will make an effort to appeal directly to the voters that would otherwise vote to the Libertarian party. Personally, I've always been amused by the argument that voting for a third party is "throwing your vote away." Unless an election is decided by one vote, your vote doesn't make an immediate difference anyway. But in the long run, additional votes for a third party do make a difference because they shift the mainstream political spectrum in their direction. That's what the goal of a third party is, they're not really trying to get their candidates elected.
Regarding yesterday's elections, I agree with Lukie. I've never voted for a Democrat before and I voted a straight Democratic ticket yesterday because I'm so disgusted with what's become of the Republican Party.
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Personally, I've always been amused by the argument that voting for a third party is "throwing your vote away." Unless an election is decided by one vote, your vote doesn't make an immediate difference anyway.
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With elections as close as they are, in some states it would be foolish to throw away your vote on a third party. In areas where one of the two big parties has pretty much a lock, then I agree with your stance.
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Define "near".
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Eh, perhaps I'm jaded.
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To the contrary, I think the threat of voting for a third party is much more effective if you live in a state where the election is going to be close. A few % for the Libertarian party or the Green party won't change much, if anything, if you live in a state where the same party always wins. If one party knows it's going to win, they stop being scared of losing the support of the center.
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At heart, I am as much libertarian as the next person that founds their belief structure on reason, but as a practical matter the libertarian party has no chance in the near future of having an impact on the federal government.
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So what? If we can increase that party's share of the vote from 1-2% to 5-10% that will make a HUGE difference, as both parties will realize that libertarians form a significant portion of the population. They will make an effort to appeal directly to the voters that would otherwise vote to the Libertarian party. Personally, I've always been amused by the argument that voting for a third party is "throwing your vote away." Unless an election is decided by one vote, your vote doesn't make an immediate difference anyway. But in the long run, additional votes for a third party do make a difference because they shift the mainstream political spectrum in their direction. That's what the goal of a third party is, they're not really trying to get their candidates elected.
Regarding yesterday's elections, I agree with Lukie. I've never voted for a Democrat before and I voted a straight Democratic ticket yesterday because I'm so disgusted with what's become of the Republican Party. |
I was talking with my ex yesterday (dont ask..) and all this stuff came up. I said that when I went in I planned to just vote democrat, except I did plan to vote green for gov. because the other candidates in illinois make me sick. The truth is I didnt do my research and I did not recognize any of the names. I got kinda frustrated and honestly felt that protest voting green was less of a throw away than auto voting dem. She just couldnt see this. I got really frustrated, she kept saying "well theyll never get elected so wahts the point." and "no one ever pays attention to them." Well no shit, thats because they dont get votes. However the green candidate for gov. was projected in the polls to get 10-15%!! Thats huge, and while the everyday person might not notice too much, the other candidates and thier parties certainly take notice. This is a huge problem with our political system. The two party system is broaken, but its inherent flaws drive on its existence.
btw I prob woulda thrown some votes at the libertarians however I saw none on the ballot, and didnt know if simply writing in "libertarian" would get the vote to them (and its a complete waste if they arent even running for that office.)
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To the contrary, I think the threat of voting for a third party is much more effective if you live in a state where the election is going to be close. A few % for the Libertarian party or the Green party won't change much, if anything, if you live in a state where the same party always wins. If one party knows it's going to win, they stop being scared of losing the support of the center.
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precisely. This is what I meant by its inherent flaws furthering its existence. People who take the path of logic opposite of this are only maintaining this archaic system.
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My own little prairie city is a world leader in cardiac research, for example, as well as AIDs amelioration.
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Research is funny in that pretty much any institution can claim to be a "world leader in such and such" and technically they can all be correct.
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I agree that it is a system whose inherent flaws further its existence, and I certainly understand the argument being made about how third parties are best promoted. However, you can't fix an archaic system overnight. In this case (and it is not an isolated case), I strongly believe that the urgency of getting to a better state within the system trumps concerns of long-term systematic reform.
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They do aids research when they're not busy running from polar bears.
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They do aids research when they're not busy running from polar bears.
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...and make fart jokes.
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We're a world leader in flatulence research. Trust me, you fart inside your parka, you want to find a cure.
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Notice how the Republicans take losing an election? Take note on this you Dems, I haven't heard about voter fraud, voter intimidation, or police roadblocks this election. Thus far the poor black communities were able to cast their ballots without being intimidated or rejected at the polls this year. There were allegations of voter fraud before the election, but that soon subsided when the results came out and the Democrats were ahead. Sure Republicans are upset with the results, as they should be, be this just proves how the Democrats are such sore losers when they lose an election.
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With those liberal hippies in power our children will be forced to learn crazy rubbish like evolution in our schools!!!!
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From a scientific standpoint evolution is rubbish, it should not be taught in schools. The mathematical probability of evolution resulting in the natural world we see today is significantly lower than the probability of there being a supreme being. All current creation theories are rubbish for that matter.
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With those liberal hippies in power our children will be forced to learn crazy rubbish like evolution in our schools!!!!
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From a scientific standpoint evolution is rubbish, it should not be taught in schools. The mathematical probability of evolution resulting in the natural world we see today is significantly lower than the probability of there being a supreme being. All current creation theories are rubbish for that matter. |
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, pretty much all scientific evidence points suggests that evolution actually did occur.
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With those liberal hippies in power our children will be forced to learn crazy rubbish like evolution in our schools!!!!
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From a scientific standpoint evolution is rubbish, it should not be taught in schools. The mathematical probability of evolution resulting in the natural world we see today is significantly lower than the probability of there being a supreme being. All current creation theories are rubbish for that matter. |
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Notice how the Republicans take losing an election? Take note on this you Dems, I haven't heard about voter fraud, voter intimidation, or police roadblocks this election. Thus far the poor black communities were able to cast their ballots without being intimidated or rejected at the polls this year. There were allegations of voter fraud before the election, but that soon subsided when the results came out and the Democrats were ahead. Sure Republicans are upset with the results, as they should be, be this just proves how the Democrats are such sore losers when they lose an election.
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What are the republicans gonna say? "The democrats have the police under thier control in all the christian right districts! Theyre not allowing them to vote!" I mean seriously? Maybe the reason the republicans arent saying anything is simply because theres nothing to be said. And maybe the democrats put up a fight because something fishy was going on in florida. Seriously the author of that post is a complete retard. I have to say Im disapointed that you would quote that as if it was a good post, I thought more of you.
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Sure, some social policy may change, and fiscal policy changes may land more money in the pockets of the non-top-1% income bracket, but what will not change is the fact that our federal and state officials are in the pockets of multinational corporations who do not answer to anyone except investors.
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With those liberal hippies in power our children will be forced to learn crazy rubbish like evolution in our schools!!!!
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From a scientific standpoint evolution is rubbish, it should not be taught in schools. The mathematical probability of evolution resulting in the natural world we see today is significantly lower than the probability of there being a supreme being. All current creation theories are rubbish for that matter. |
Did you not watch south park this week?
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vqc
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Originally Posted by boostNslide
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Originally Posted by vqc
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From: FullHouseFan
Date: 11/08/06 08:50 PM
Member Since: 09/24/2006
341 Total Posts Ignore User
Notice how the Republicans take losing an election? Take note on this you Dems, I haven't heard about voter fraud, voter intimidation, or police roadblocks this election. Thus far the poor black communities were able to cast their ballots without being intimidated or rejected at the polls this year. There were allegations of voter fraud before the election, but that soon subsided when the results came out and the Democrats were ahead. Sure Republicans are upset with the results, as they should be, be this just proves how the Democrats are such sore losers when they lose an election.
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What are the republicans gonna say? "The democrats have the police under thier control in all the christian right districts! Theyre not allowing them to vote!" I mean seriously? Maybe the reason the republicans arent saying anything is simply because theres nothing to be said. And maybe the democrats put up a fight because something fishy was going on in florida. Seriously the author of that post is a complete retard. I have to say Im disapointed that you would quote that as if it was a good post, I thought more of you. |
hmm
as far as im concerned
1) i agree with that post
2) your kidding urself if you dont think democrats cant/dont commit voter fraud and cant/dont intimidate voters.
3a) Condensed version of 3b. I laugh at you for thinking that fishy things only happen to democrats.
3b) please look into the issue of dead people votin and felons voting and then you can go ahead and tell me about how republicans have nothing to bitch and moan about (In florida in 2004 and the elections yesterday).Yes these things have, can, and do affect both parties. To have you sit there and say that the Republicans have nothing to complain about just becuase you saw on TV that conservatives prevent black people from voting by invoking the grandfather clause doesnt mean that its the only that ever happens. Yeesh. Seriously boost, there are some things that you cant learn sitting at home watching the history channel all day. I thought more of you.
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