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    Default The Official MMA thread. (spoilers!)

    Let's start this off. Who's checking out UFC 98 on Saturday? Goddamn I can't wait for Machida/Evans, that's a serious contender for match of the year. I'm picking Machida. Been a fan of his style for a while.

    Serra/Hughes...both pricks. Hughes is almost done, and Serra was a fluke champ. Though, Hughes is the bigger evil of the two, as anyone who's read his book can tell you. Dude is the biggest self aggrandizing, delusional piece of shit in MMA. He makes Tito look like a great guy. God I hope Serra puts him to sleep.

    And why this fight is opening the televised card is beyond me, but Sean Sherk vs. Frankie Edgar should be an entertaining war. Despite Sherk's suspension and such, I'm still a fan of him. He has ridiculous stamina, and is always pushing, pushing, pushing. Should be a great fight, and I'll go with Sherk by unanimous decision.
    Last edited by givememyleg; 12-29-2013 at 12:42 AM.
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    How was it???
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    Edgar/Sherk...Goddamn Sherk had an awful gameplan. Yeah, let's box with the superior striker who has a reach advantage. BRILLIANT. Let's not utilize our world class wrestling, as well. Terrible.

    I think Serra got ripped off.

    As for the main event...
    http://dansmuaythaimma.com/?p=2074
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    Video wont play for me.
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    i'll post a better link when i find it.

    rampage is up next to fight lyoto, and stylistically this is a great fight for lyoto. rampage has turned into primarily a boxing counter puncher. this isn't exactly what you want against lyoto.
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    why does fedor never fight anybody? the man is basically my hero yet i never get to see him beat anybody's ass anymore
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    Quote Originally Posted by dthorne04
    http://www.mmatko.com/rashad-evans-vs-lyoto-machida-fight-video-ufc-98/#more-4591
    wtf theyre playing pattycakes

    good fight
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    Thanks for the link.
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    Thanks for the link.

    I still can't believe how badly Evans was dominated. He never stood a chance.

    Has Machida ever been hurt? I've seen a few of his fights and the guy seems like he never gets *touched*, let alone hurt. Goddamn he's good, he could be on top for a very, very long time. Wow.


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    Machida has never been hurt whilst in UFC. He's won 17 out of 17 rounds, and is just insane. I definitely think he could be champ for years. Rampage is up next but meh...

    as for fedor, there's really no one outside of UFC at the moment who I think can beat him. He's rumored to be fighting barnett soon...not interested in that at all. there's a few guys in UFC who could have a shot, but i don't think they're seasoned enough yet (Brock, Velasquez, etc.), and those guys might be able to challenge him in time. However, for now, more repeats of Fedor cleaning out the non UFC HW division.
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    isnt fedor not getting any good fights because of contract issues (keeping him out of ufc)? when do those end?
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    I would pay large amounts of money to see Fedor vs. Lesnar around this time next year.


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    yeah, he's never been contracted with ufc. his management and dana white don't get along, fedor gets seven figs a fight, which like no one in ufc gets, etc. i hope if we do see him, it won't be too long from now. he's no spring chicken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UG
    I would pay large amounts of money to see Fedor vs. Lesnar around this time next year.
    would rather see this than beckinsale vs biel
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    question and comments and definitely factual errors on my part

    why hasnt fedor rematched anybody? as far as ive seen the only rematch was vs that japanese dude fedor 'lost' to due to cut, then fedor raped him in like 5 seconds. so why hasnt fedor rematched somebody like crocop? out of his own mouth, crocop was his toughest fight, so they gotta rematch it. maybe my impression is that anybody who fights him knows that theyre dominated so they dont want a rematch

    id like to see fedor fight hong man choi again. im unaware of choi's personal aptitude, but my read on the fight was that if choi trained expertly on avoiding the submission he would probably knock fedor the fuck out

    i have no clue about who's retired and who has contracts with whom, i just wanna watch fedor kick some fucking ass. he's pretty much the only reason i watch any mma
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    nothing constructive to add (i'll reply to your ish lately wufwugy)

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    Sick. Rampage has chosen to give up his title shot, and will instead be a coach on the 10th season of the Ultimate Fighter vs. Rashad Evans, with this being a heavyweight season. He had the option of title shot or doing TUF 10 and facing Rashad at the end of the season, and chose fighting Rashad, which I think is the end of year show.

    Who's stepping in to face Machida? Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, and that will go down in October, in L.A. Hopefully Rua can get back into 2005/2006 form...if so, this will be an insane fight.
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    For those who didn't see Guida - Sanchez tonight...that shit was good.
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    looking forward to lesnar v mir
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
    was gonna be so mad if the decision went the guida, dude inflicted no damage on sanchez and did nothing in his guard for 1+ rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
    was gonna be so mad if the decision went the guida, dude inflicted no damage on sanchez and did nothing in his guard for 1+ rounds.
    lol@the judge who scored it 29-28 guida
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    also, the first 30-45 seconds of that fight are pure awesomeness

    one of you MMA nerds remind me who the 2 dudes were in the pride fight that started like that, the hudge japanese guy vs. some American.
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    no clue, but that looked like they were just windmilling it there, throwing hudge bombs.

    stevenson/diaz was good, as was lytle/burns, didn't bother watching the TUF fights, don't give a fuck.

    all i know is, mma this summer is gonna be fucking great.
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    this fight was awesome, forgot about it. takayama's face looked godawful afterwards
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-AkC8l-8Xc
    yessssssss

    how the fuck did neither of them get knocked the fuck out? big guys throwing big punches..... are pride gloves well padded or something?

    dont show benny btw, frye looks too much like selleck for him to keep his cool

    ive seen nearly all ufc, but very little pride. what are some great pride fights i should check out?
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    also, on sanchez v guida, how much of the blood was sanchez? it was everywhere so couldnt tell
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    practically none, sanchez looked pretty untouched in the end

    guida having long hair covered up what had to be a few huge gashes from those elbows when he was in sanchez's guard.

    re Pride fight: anything with Takanori Gomi knocking little dudes the fuck out, can't think of anything specific, but they had pretty much everyone: Cro Cop, Fedor, Henderson, Wanderlei, Shogun, etc... Fox Sports usually replays them if you get that channel.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7pj8aPH5VY

    good call on cro cop. haven't seen anybody in the heavyweights dominate with kicks so much. he almost doesn't do anything but kick his opponents faces off. really hope he rematches fedor. from the looks of the fight tho i doubt cro cop would ever want to rematch fedor since he was basically dominated the whole time, and fedor was able to shut down his kicks almost completely. i doubt being on the defensive is good for cro cops style
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    im quite surprised that didn't finish him
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    Looks like probably no Fedor v Barnett

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8ninUN8VoY
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    good old barnett
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    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/7/24...-trilogy-event

    who knows, we may end up seeing lesnar/fedor sooner than we had hoped, i can't see a way that this doesn't turn out to be an utter shitshow/catastrophe/annihilation for Affliction.

    still, fedor's management and the ufc coming together and finally making this work seems nearly impossible. i don't think strikeforce has fedoresque money waiting for him, and i really don't want to see him doing freak show bullshit in japan again. i really want him in the ufc
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    I want to see Fedor vs Voldemort.
    The deathtouch might be too much for Fedor.

    Oh, and GSP vs Kimbo.
    Might be GSP's first big challenge.

    GAWD! I almost forgot: Lesner vs Anderson the Spider-Man.
    So much could happen in one fight.
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    How the hell do they not have backups? Pretty bad management IMO to not have backups. I'm unsure of how MMA works though so I could be way off, but if backups are even possible they are then a must

    IMO Ken Shamrock should be everybody's backup
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    I prefer Butterbean or Tank Abbott.
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    It's a shame Tito is out of the game. IIRC, he said he could be ready to fight Fedor in like six months or something. I suspect he would get clobbered with the quickness, though
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    wuf, there's really no one available with the drawing power of barnett, and no one that will really provide a plausible matchup with fedor. it really sucks for the tons of people that made flight arrangements, hotels, cars, etc. as well as the fighters.

    rumor has it that affliction has opted out of the fighting business, and they'll be allowed to be a sponsor in UFC again. earlier rumor was that strikeforce would be swallowing up affliction, while retaining the strikeforce name. all i know is august is going to be insanely interesting...
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    What would they do if Fedor beat Barnett? Does MMA talent come and go quickly, would they find somebody somewhere willing to fight whom they could plausibly promote, or would they just wait for a rematch?
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    They could find someone to promote afterwards, but Affliction would need months. Like they were discussing Fabricio Werdum as a fill-in, but they (Affliction) would need months to build that fight.

    On another note, apparently there isn't a Strikeforce/Affliction merger in the works, and Affliction is a UFC Sponsor again. No clue what happens to all the guys in Affliction, though.
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    Don Frye is officially my new favorite person in the whole wide world

    http://www.mmaweekly.com/blog/2009/0...ight-fedor.asp

    "If Tom was smart, he'd have me fighting Fedor instead of whoever he's hiring on a one week notice," Frye told MMAInsider. "My phone works if he wants a real fight with someone who sell a fight in four days, somebody who will beat that bald-headed commie too."

    In fact, Frye said the only reason he was fighting Lawal was to get an eventual shot at Emelianenko.

    "He ain't seen anything I have to offer," continued Frye. "He built his whole reputation (as a) waffle house chef. They've been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes. I'll bring it. And if he can bring it, you'll have the best fight you've ever seen on the planet."
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    craziest day in MMA history

    I am going on espn 1100 in vegas at 6pm. I will be talking anything mma. Call in number is 702 364 1100! Oh yea and welcome back tito

    that's dana white's twitter, and if i understand right, wtf Tito back in UFC?
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    Anybody know of any good MMA forums? I just default Sherdog, but like all big forums, there are so many dumbasses there. So basically I need somewhat smaller, meaner, and more hardcore forum because that's where you get a lower percentage of dumbasses who speak before they think
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    A post from a different forum



    Notes from Dave Meltzer:

    This deal had been talked about months ago. There was several meetings between the UFC and Affliction including one that Couture tried to put together. One of the deals, around the time of the Arlovski vs Barnett fight that fell through, was that Affliction would cease to promote in exchange for being allowed to sponsor UFC fighters and get Affliction shirts on their shows.

    - They had several meetings that didn't go well, including one before UFC 100 that ended really badly. The UFC knew that the Barnett vs Fedor show was going to be Affliction's final show so they didn't bother trying to counter program it with free tv.

    - Right after UFC 100 there was another meeting where Affliction would cancel the show because the advance ticket sales were low and they knew they were going to lose their ass on ppv. They wanted to save face by letting Dana have Barnett vs Fedor on a UFC show and let them have some of the other fights on the Affliction card at future UFC ppvs and say that they had merged.

    - The main problems where that the UFC weren't going to take Fedor under those circumstances. Why put him on a UFC show when he has only one fight left on his contract, plus his contract was crazy by UFC standards, he gets distribution rights and other rights that the UFC simply weren't going to accept.
    The other reason the deal fell apart was Tom Atencio demanding that Dana publically apologize to him.

    - Affliction then opened talks with Strikeforce. Strikeforce didn't go for the deal as they didn't want to pick up those huge contracts.

    - The Barnett steroid failure was a god send because it gave them a face saving excuse to call off the show that they had been looking to get out of previously.

    - Dana assumed the Strikeforce/Affliction deal was done but around Friday morning Affliction called him up and struck a deal.

    - Dave believes it is legally somewhat similar to WWF purchasing WCW in that they can pick and choose which contracts they want to pick up.
    They won't take Fedor right now but if they can get him down to a new contract they'll take him. Doesn't imagine they'll pick up Arlovski,Sylvia and Linland's contracts. Vitor Belfort they'll probably take as they've been talking about bringing him back for a while.

    - Affliction contracts are non exclusive. Dana won't put a guy on his show who isn't exclusive to the UFC. In theory they can work for Japan or Strikeforce with the way the contracts are structured.
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    Looking forward to GSP v Hardy though I think Hardy is dominated in all areas. Carwin v Mir will be interesting but Mir seems pretty damn motivated and working super hard ever since his Lesnar loss.

    112 Card is looking super super sick.
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    Bones is a monster. Great card last night actually with all 3 of the main fights ending in KO or TKO. The Sakara fight was a little underwhelming but was good while it lasted. Super stoked for the Spring and Summer cards!

    PS. Pudz vs. Tim Sylvia might be hilarious or freakin amazing, definitely keeping my eye on that one.
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

    Problem officer...?
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    plz to be participating moar spoon
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    Naw he just wants to make himself feel pimp by claiming to be some super baller without actually having to qualify himself
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    Quote Originally Posted by dthorne04
    plz to be participating moar spoon
    I'd rather just talk to you in IMs to be honest. But you've been begging me for a while, so I'll rattle off thoughts about upcoming fights.

    Bodog has Cyborg at -190 over Carano which is hilarious and probably the direct by-product of Carano being on American Gladiators. This is +EV out the wazoo.

    I hope Nog beats Handy for the chance of seeing Nog v Lesnar. Additionally, I hope Florian beats BJ just because I hate BJ.

    Forrest Griffin. I have very vivid memories of the night he beat Shogun. I wish his fight against Anderson Silva was a 5-rounder.

    Koscheck against Trigg could be interesting if Trigg knees him in the balls and and almost chokes him out ala Hughes-Trigg 2.

    Machida vs Shogun is going to be cool, but I feel dirty about Shogun getting a title shot.

    Rashad/Rampage/Kimbo all on the same show is definitely going to lead to hilarity.

    Bodog has Fedor at -225 against Lesnar at +185 if they fight before 10/3/2010. It looks like Fedor might be headed to the UFC since Affliction folded. The UFC's typical plan for this type of thing is that Fedor will go straight in against Lesnar without a "warm-up" fight because on the fluke chance that he loses against someone (say Crocop as an arbitrary opponent) then the bazillions of American dollars they're paying him will make Dana's head asplode.

    Which makes me wonder, with the champion's clause BS in the UFC, if Lesnar doesn't beat Fedor, who will? No one else is close. Can I hope and pray that Fedor cleans out the HW division (including at least two TKOs or submissions over Lesnar) followed by a move to 205? Do you know how f'ing sick that would be?
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    By: Carmichael Dave
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    So we all know the deal with M-1 and what they are saying about co-promotion. I'm not here to say who's right and wrong in this deal, but I can tell you some of the specifics that were offered to Fedor.....

    - The UFC offered Fedor a 6 fight, 30 million dollar contract. That's 5 mil a fight

    - The UFC offered Fedor an immediate title shot

    - Lesnar/Fedor would be the biggest PPV in MMA history (we assume), and the UFC offered M-1 Global a cut of the PPV on top of Fedor's purse.

    - Fedor was free to wear as many M-1 logoed items as he wished.

    - The UFC also relented on allowing Fedor to compete in combat sambo.

    Apparently, for good or bad, M-1 refuses to sign a deal unless the UFC agrees to co-promote.
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    This situation is pretty LOL. If I understand it correctly, both sides would be financially foolish to acquiesce on the co-promotion thing. Quite a shame though because Fedor would/will kick Lesnar's ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
    This situation is pretty LOL. If I understand it correctly, both sides would be financially foolish to acquiesce on the co-promotion thing. Quite a shame though because Fedor would/will kick Lesnar's ass.
    if/when they ever do face, i'd be glad to put money on lesnar at vegas odds.

    this article: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/7/30...ions-fedor-gsp outlines a lot of my problems with fedor.
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    I disagree with this bit:

    To put in simply, GSP has not only beaten top guys, HE HAS DONE SO WHEN THEY WERE AT THE GREATEST THREAT OF BEATING HIM.
    But whoever wrote this probably doesn't know what PrideFC is or remember when everyone thought Nog's guard was unbeatable and Fedor put himself in it purposely and bounced Nog's head off of the floor for 15-20 minutes straight.

    Or the guy who destroyed Kevin Randleman right after Randleman destroyed Crocop.

    Or the guy who took Nog down something like 8-9 times in the rematch.

    Then he has his f'ed up hand injury that causes him a lot of problems and draws the fight with Zulu for the OWGP, after which he was replaced by Wanderlei Silva.

    So now since he won't sell his soul to the UFC everyone's going to ride him, even though he absolutely destroys everyone in his path.

    So how many fights has he had that lasted out of the first round in the past six years (rematch with Coleman doesn't count for obvious reasons)?

    Two. He dominated both Crocop and Nog in [unanimous] decisions.

    Randy Couture held Tim Sylvia's back for 5 minutes and couldn't finish. Fedor destroyed him in ~30 seconds.

    That's all for that rant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dthorne04
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
    This situation is pretty LOL. If I understand it correctly, both sides would be financially foolish to acquiesce on the co-promotion thing. Quite a shame though because Fedor would/will kick Lesnar's ass.
    if/when they ever do face, i'd be glad to put money on lesnar at vegas odds.

    this article: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/7/30...ions-fedor-gsp outlines a lot of my problems with fedor.
    Sweet. I'm sure there will be a ton of action on Lesnar. Unless my read on Fedor/Lesnar changes between now and then, I'm gonna be putting as much spare money on that match as I can. Which I hope is a lot, but may not be. I also doubt that my opinion will change much since it's based on my personal analysis of their fights, but there's always some unforeseen data that could appear between now and then

    Having said that, I doubt the match happens. Fedor will probably just go to some other organization, bankrupt them, then a different one, bankrupt them, then lose a fight and nobody will like him anymore and the UFC will LOL. Fedor can't afford to lose a fight outside of UFC IMO. Losing in UFC would be fine, but not outside.

    And with regards to the article, it kind of ignores the fact that it's dealing with probabilities and that Fedor DESTROYED his opposition instead of just merely defeating them. Now, had Fedor gone to decision against all the 'past prime' fighters, then he would be looking much worse. Having said that, Fedor has had some very scary moments in his career where it looks like he got pretty lucky and came out on top. But having said that, Lesnar has some rather big weaknesses that we haven't seen much of, and that nobody's talking about.

    For example: his endurance is garbage. Just watch the Couture fight. Round 2 and Lesnar slows down big time. I'll be quite surprised if he could last a full five and win without being way ahead in the first couple rounds. Lesnar is very big, strong, and technically proficient, but IMO his only true advantage over a fighter like Fedor is his highly methodical GnP that he displayed against Mir. Every other aspect, however, Fedor is more skilled, and given Fedor's stand up, speed, and sambo, I see don't see him being on his back, in the only real threatened position, that often. Once is enough, though. If Lesnar can pull that off he'll be so huge. Or he could get a lucky strike, but that's about it IMO. I REALLY want this fight to happen...

    Now que spoon telling me how I'm wrong
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    I agree for the most part. Lesnar won't come at Fedor with a shallow gas tank, though.
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    Pleased to see that somebody with your understanding of the sport doesn't think I'm completely off my rocker...

    Yes, no doubt Lesnar will be very prepared for this fight. I wasn't surprised to find that he prepared perfectly for the second Mir fight, and I'm sure his trainer will do the same for his other fights.

    However, and this is where it gets kinda tricky, exercise physiology determines that the more mass somebody carries, the lower their endurance. Strength, size, and explosiveness are pretty much contradictory to endurance. We see this in every sport: the more dominated by endurance the sport, the less mass the athletes carry; and the more dominated by pure strength/speed the sport, the more mass the athletes carry. Thus far, Lesnar has been playing with the mass of a high intensity/short length sport, and his BMI will have to drop if he trains for endurance, and thus his strength/size will reduce. Just the nature of the beast
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    and his BMI will have to drop if he trains for endurance
    No it won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    and his BMI will have to drop if he trains for endurance
    No it won't.
    We're dealing with physical limitations of energy systems. Track and Field is a great place to see these limitations. Check out the BMI differences between 100 meter and 800 meter sprinters. They're dealing with entirely different energy systems, and their BMI reflects this.

    At the elite level, there is very little differing event crossover, and when we see crossover it is in the next closest event (like 100 m to 200 m) but even then the crossover comes from a rare and hugely dominant athlete who is able to lay somewhere in the center of the required energy system for both (as opposed to sitting on one extreme like Lesnar does). Usain Bolt is a great example of this (he has a gold in both 100 m and 200 m), if you watch his 100 meter you'll see that his dominance of the race only shows up at the top speed portion (which lasts for no more than 2 seconds) and speed endurance portion (which consists of the last few seconds of the race), but that his starting speed (by far the most strength dominated portion of the race) is worse than most of the competition

    Energy system specialization detracts from other energy systems. Lesnar is currently way more specialized in the strength/hypertrophy side than his competitors, and if he wants to compete with their endurance he will have to change his energy system specialization. When an athlete is specialized in one energy system, if they enhance a different energy system then their specialty in the previous energy system deteriorates. This is why there exist zero elite level weightlifters/marathon runners.

    This, however, does not hold true for amateurs, but that's because amateurs are not specialized. It is pretty standard for the fastest amateur to also be among the strongest, most muscular, and have the most endurance. We see this among children all the time, but that's because they're novice and their energy systems have not reached specialization levels like they do in professional sports.
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    It still won't.
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    Oh well that settles it. I didn't know what I was thinking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow
    It still won't.
    ownd imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
    Brock Lesnar's energy = x
    Brock Lesnar's gas tank = y
    Brock Lesnar's squat = z
    x must always equal y + z
    Marklar
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    That's a rather simplistic interpretation of what I said. But that's inconsequential since my point is exercise physiology 101, and you won't find Olympic level coaches disagreeing with it. For example: go to charliefrancis.com. He is one of the most renowned athletic coaches of all time, and he'll be able to confirm the energy system requirements I attempted to illustrate.
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    why did u get rid of your avatar wuf?
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    Figured it was time for a change. Waiting for something else to catch my eye. Actually found something a few days ago, but it wouldn't fit. Go figure
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    Have truer words ever been uttered?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3xIq...layer_embedded

    Fuck M1 Global
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    Okay so according to Dana White, he bent over backwards to sign Fedor, but they still declined; it's all about the co-promotion thing

    So what is Fedor going to do now? Can somebody lay this out for me? This doesn't make any sense to me. I've been under the impression that M1 co-promotions bankrupt organizations because nobody gets the PPV buys enough to pay for Fedor, which is basically what was happening to Affliction. What can Fedor actually do other than retire or sign with UFC?
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    Fedor can pretty much do whatever he wants, if anything. He pretty much doesn't give an eff.

    There's always K-1 Heros, Dream, Strikeforce, etc.
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    Really looking forward to Silva vs Griffin tonight

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