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  1. #826
    Fuck Jones, I'm with wufwugy on this one. I didn't like him before and I especially dislike him now given his pussification of the LHW division. Turning down a fight against Sonnen is ridiculous under any circumstances.
  2. #827
    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post
    Fuck Jones, I'm with wufwugy on this one. I didn't like him before and I especially dislike him now given his pussification of the LHW division. Turning down a fight against Sonnen is ridiculous under any circumstances.
    He financially screwed over many colleagues and thousands of fans. It doesn't matter if he did it because he's a pompous hypocritical douche who doesn't like Sonnen's mouth or because his coach is afraid of fighting anybody without lengthy stylistic preparation, he's the champ and he should be cut for turning down a fight like this. Actual fighters would not bitch out like this. Guys like Sonnen, Sanchez, and Penn are true fighters because when they say "anywhere, anytime," they mean it.

    I'm a fan of fighting, not of entitled pricks sacrificing the meaning of the sport for security, status, and finances
  3. #828
    Why isn't the fight just set up, and if he doesn't show he forfeits & loses his belt. What's so hard about that?
  4. #829
    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    Why isn't the fight just set up, and if he doesn't show he forfeits & loses his belt. What's so hard about that?
    Probably because the government runs the sport. Athletic commissions are the epitome of corruption and unnecessary bureaucracy. There's a whole lot government does well, but being involved in sport is not one of them

    Basically the fighters can't be forced to fight in anyway, which is pretty much unlike the contracts made in other sports
  5. #830
    This is why Rousey is a real fighter and why Jones is a bum and should be fired

    "If Dana said he wanted me to fight Chris 'Cyborg' Santos with a 40lbs weight disadvantage or wrap our hands with Duck Tape and be there in 40 minutes, I'd say I'd be there in 10 minutes just so I could stretch first. It doesn't matter to me, I consider myself the best in the world. I think if you have that title, you have a responsibility to defend it at anytime against anyone."
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    Frankly, Greg denying the Chael fight says bad things about Jones' ability. I know that Sonnen is the kind of style that if you're not prepared, it will be a really tough night, but that really shouldn't even have been a consideration since all Jones would have to do to beat Chael is to just make it a brawl. Jones probably could have won back all those fans who hate him if he showed that he doesn't need an intricate gameplan of elusiveness to just throw down and kick some ass

    It's really truly stupid because if Chael won, Jones is getting an immediate rematch regardless. Which makes me think that it wasn't so much Greg's decision to duck Chael but that the self-righteous jackass Jones doesn't know how to not get butthurt over how ethical he must be in turning down Chael and his mouth

    The only fight I want to see now is Overeem vs Jones; no ref.
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  7. #832
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    He financially screwed over many colleagues and thousands of fans. It doesn't matter if he did it because he's a pompous hypocritical douche who doesn't like Sonnen's mouth or because his coach is afraid of fighting anybody without lengthy stylistic preparation, he's the champ and he should be cut for turning down a fight like this. Actual fighters would not bitch out like this. Guys like Sonnen, Sanchez, and Penn are true fighters because when they say "anywhere, anytime," they mean it.

    I'm a fan of fighting, not of entitled pricks sacrificing the meaning of the sport for security, status, and finances
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    Let's just agree to disagree. This argument has been played out on too many other MMA forums and I'm over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayToWin View Post
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    Let's just agree to disagree. This argument has been played out on too many other MMA forums and I'm over it.
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  10. #835
    Got this from Bovada, figured this would be the best place to put it!

    UFC 152 - Air Canada Centre, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

    Evan Dunham -260
    T.J. Grant +200

    Charles "Do Bronx" Oliveira -270
    Cub Swanson +210

    Matt "The Hammer" Hamill -365
    Roger "The Hulk" Hollett +275

    Michael "The Count" Bisping -175
    Brian "All American" Stann +145

    UFC Flyweight Championship
    Joseph Benavidez -285
    Demetrious "Mighty Mouse" Johnson +225

    UFC Light Heavyweight Championship
    Jon "Bones" Jones -750
    Vitor "The Phenom" Belfort +475

    Total Fights that go to Decision on UFC 152 PPV Card?
    Over 2.5 +130
    Under 2.5 -160

    How Many Knockouts or Technical Knockouts on UFC 152 PPV Card?
    Over 1.5 -160
    Under 1.5 +130

    How Many Submission finishes on UFC 152 PPV Card?
    Over 1.5 +140
    Under 1.5 -170

    Will Any Fight end in a Draw, Disqualification or No Contest?
    Yes +450
    No -650
  11. #836
    ^^ Benavidez/Johnson line must be a typo or there's an injury I don't know about because Johnson is never the dog there

    Bones at -750 is probably good because Vitor never beats him. This fight isn't really even that interesting, Vitor gets fucking tooled every time. I was wrong in the past about how he's a good boxer; he's not, he's a shitty boxer. He should probably be like a 15:1 dog

    Stann is probably a good pick here. I don't "know know" because I haven't followed either fighter closely enough to have the right kind of feel for it, but Bisping only beats the guys he "should," and Stann is improving quite well and has the kind of grit that will keep Bisping from dominating him.
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    I thought Hamill retired? The Bisping-Stann line seems like it should be a bit more in favor of Bisping imo.
  13. #838
    He came back. Not sure why but I guess he enjoys fighting/needs the money/not a lot of work for deaf guys? Dunno.

    Yeah, I mean if Bisping line was a little higher I wouldn't be surprised. That being said, I think Stann is really underrated in this fight as Bisping isn't much of a finisher. Not sure if he can/will stymie Stann for 3 rounds.
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  14. #839
    Doubt there's any typos as they came straight from Bovada

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    The lines given from Bodog are a tad more generous to a few of the fights than Bovada is, including the Stann/Bisping fight.
  16. #841
    Looks like Vitor's back on the sauce. Won't help him though

    If Hamill's opponent is good then he's a good pick. The only way Hamill beats a true contender is by way of Titoing Bader
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascal View Post
    Doubt there's any typos as they came straight from Bovada

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    I'm just giving you shit. Keep fighting the good fight against the commune scum.
  18. #843
    wat - maybe

    also, Bovada seem keen on sending me odds for MMA so they're all going in a containment thread in News, Reviews and Discussions. Don't wanna spam this thread with adverts for anywhere but i'll leave that banner up.
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  19. #844
    any word on how bones arm held up fighting that armbar?
  20. #845
    my heart sank a thousand meters when he got out of that. it's probably not the biggest deal, and he'll be sure to not ever fight machida again, will duck cormier the second showtime releases him, and wont be able to stop whining about how chael reminds him of how the whole world is against him
  21. #846
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    my heart sank a thousand meters when he got out of that. it's probably not the biggest deal, and he'll be sure to not ever fight machida again, will duck cormier the second showtime releases him, and wont be able to stop whining about how chael reminds him of how the whole world is against him
    his inexperience showed vs vitor, but the kid's still a f'n beast u gotta admit.
  22. #847
    yes he is a beast, but i still hate him. regardless of how much of a tool he is, what i loathe is that he beats guys who are better than him because he's more physically talented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pascal View Post
    wat - maybe

    also, Bovada seem keen on sending me odds for MMA so they're all going in a containment thread in News, Reviews and Discussions. Don't wanna spam this thread with adverts for anywhere but i'll leave that banner up.
    lol i'm just giving you shit man, keep fighting the good fight
  24. #849
    Condit better win. Otherwise we'll get Silva vs GSP next and that fight is fucking awful. A lot of Canadian fanboi boners would go limp after Silva easily KOs Georges.
  25. #850
    You're right, I'd definitely lose my erection.
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  27. #852
    It's not unlikely we see GSP finally lose. Despite my hatred for Condit after he exited contact range against Diaz about a hundred times in 25 minutes, he is easily GSP toughest challenge, and he isn't less good than him by much if he is at all. This isn't Hardy or Koscheck; Condit has no weakness, has a lot of strengths, blasts fools when he's behind. If this was a challengers fight - where GSP hadn't held the belt forever - I'd probably call Condit the favorite, but it's so hard to call that now with GSP's dominance looming over the prediction.

    There are, however, a lot of signs that GSP is not as good as people think. His inability to finish guys in their weak areas and his relatively amateur striking show it. The repeated double jab sloppy overhand is not something that would work against a good striker and the fact that he didn't stomp Shields on the feet does not bode well for him. Granted, his greatest attribute is timing, and because of that he is able to catch guys quite well
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    There are, however, a lot of signs that GSP is not as good as people think.
    lol you're fucking ridiculous
  29. #854
    There is nothing controversial about GSP not being as good as people think. He is top five MMArtist to ever live, but people still overrate him when they think he is a good match for Silva and is unstoppable at 170. I don't even like using the word "overrated" with GSP because it implies he's bad. He's not bad, he's fantastic, but his fans have delusions of grandeur when it comes to ideas like him challenging Silva
  30. #855
    Wuf, it's not hard to shatter naive fanboy delusions of grandeur, but you make it sound like he's not nearly as good as he is by saying things like "relatively amateur striking".

    I think you're guilty of the same thing that delusional fanboys are, just in the opposite direction. You're just like the "rooting for the underdog" equivalent of the delusional fanboy.

    I expect tonight's fight to be boring as shit, as GSP doesn't like taking big risks, and will cautiously stay in his comfort zone to keep his title in the safest way possible, as he's done in the past. I hope I'm wrong.
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  32. #857
    I actually don't have a problem with "boring" fights. I appreciate the strategy of slowly wearing down a man. Sometimes it's necessary and most meathead MMA fans don't appreciate this as it doesn't involve a hollywood knockout.

    That being said, I must have an inner meathead because I sure do love a good hollywood knockout.
  33. #858
    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    Wuf, it's not hard to shatter naive fanboy delusions of grandeur, but you make it sound like he's not nearly as good as he is by saying things like "relatively amateur striking".
    I guess I give the wrong impression, but his striking is relatively amateur. He doesn't really even throw combos. The best striking we've seen from him is a double jab sloppy overhand, which was against a guy who relies on power and swinging. Then not only did he not obliterate one of the worst strikers in the entire sport (Shields), but he experienced problems with him as well

    What GSP does have that makes his striking work as well as it has is impeccable timing and great sense of the correct move to make at any time. But compared to somebody like Silva, his striking is very amateur and we would all feel bad about wanting to see Silva vs GSP so much after Silva slips every punch he throws then gets an easy knockdown then GNPs him out.

    I think you're guilty of the same thing that delusional fanboys are, just in the opposite direction. You're just like the "rooting for the underdog" equivalent of the delusional fanboy.
    I do probably like rooting for the underdog in some sense, but I'm not flippant about it. I picked Fedor to win against Rogers but to lose against Werdum, Bigfoot, and Hendo. My distaste for Fedor that developed over time was not because I wanted to root for underdogs against him, but because his fans saw things that weren't there. So it may seem that in the case of Fedor (just using this as an example), I root for the underdog, but the truth is that I try to analyze to the best of my ability. Besides, in the last big card, I said Vitor stood zero chance against Jones, and I fucking hate Jones.

    I do have a very strong "call people on their bullshit" characteristic in me. So that probably shines when talking about fighters who I think do not get enough credit.
  34. #859
    I will add that part of why GSP's striking is amateurish is that he doesn't allow himself to have many weapons since he avoids compromising positions. For example, being busy throwing a combo is an easy way to let your opponent have a better chance at getting a takedown. Granted, it is possible to get good enough that this problem is nullified because the combos are set up correctly. This is what we saw Silva do in his last Chael fight. His striking is so good now that he's able to move fluidly and be aggressive while not being at much risk to a takedown

    GSP is really really good at playing his game, but sadly for him, Silva is better at that same game. I don't mean the wrestling part of it, but the setups, timing, and range. Of course, by now Silva's wrestling is more than enough to withstand GSP's offense. GSP's setups are much better than Chael's, but if you can stuff Chael, you can stuff anybody smaller than Chael.
  35. #860
    As a silva fanboy, I have to agree that his striking is better than GSPs, but it doesn't get much better than silva's striking. I'd still love to see that fight, but I think more people want to see silva fight bones now. I for one would like to see him crush light heavyweight before he's over the hill.
  36. #861
    Yeah I would really like to see Silva vs Jones, and I think Jones gets his ass handed to him. However, I don't think that will be on the table too much longer since I have Machida beating Jones in a rematch and Cormier beating Jones if he moves down. Cormier might not move down, though, since Cain might not beat JDS. I'm not a fan of Cormier at HW because Overeem is simply going to crush everybody there for a while
  37. #862
    To keep from getting flamed, let me just add that GSP's amateurish striking is largely by design. Because he's not comfortable with the idea of being put on his back and because he hasn't yet confidently integrated wrestling defense with a striking offense, his striking doesn't focus on as high a level of techniques as somebody like Silva or Overeem
  38. #863
    Which means that this could spell a bad night for GSP because if Condit wants to take it to him, he'll be able to. It is very unlikely that GSP will be out of danger when in Condit's guard and Condit should be better on the feet
  39. #864
    Who saw when they panned to silva and machida sitting next to eachother in the crowd, and machida looked into the camera with an intense gaze and a dirty movember stash?

    I f'n lul'd, that motherfucker looks goofy with a stash
  40. #865
    it takes the focus off his unibrow
  41. #866
    My monkey brain f'n LOVED that that hendricks KO. That motherfucker is gettin' a beej tonight from his wife on HER birthday.
  42. #867
    im picking him against the winner of gsp condit

    well mb not if it's gsp who wins
  43. #868
    Jesus Christ, why don't we just name this thread WUFWUGY, and let the man spew. Wolfy, you are so FOS it's not even funny.
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  44. #869
    Why in the world do so many MMA fans have such bad attitudes? The majority of the predictions I've made ITT have been accurate, yet somehow I still have no idea what I'm talking about? How about you stop treating your brain like it's a redheaded stepchild
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Why in the world do so many MMA fans have such bad attitudes? The majority of the predictions I've made ITT have been accurate, yet somehow I still have no idea what I'm talking about? How about you stop treating your brain like it's a redheaded stepchild
    Sorry wuf..... I wouldn't have spoken to you that way in person, so I shouldn't do it on the forum. I blame the drink and immaturity! Don't ask how old I am.
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  47. #872
    jesus, that was a fight.
  48. #873
    Quote Originally Posted by givememyleg View Post
    jesus, that was a fight.
    lol, i figured fights were discouraged around here and there's no point. Know what i mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by givememyleg View Post
    jesus, that was a fight.
    GSP tried to stay in his comfort zone but condit was such a beast that it was still interesting, and ofc we saw GSP well out of his comfort zone in the 3rd round. Solid fight indeed.

    My buddy texted me "HOLY SHIT" in the 3rd, and I assumed my stream was behind and the fight had ended, then GSP went down from that sick headkick combo and I kept waiting for condit to finish him. Was so confused when the round ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I will add that part of why GSP's striking is amateurish is that he doesn't allow himself to have many weapons since he avoids compromising positions. For example, being busy throwing a combo is an easy way to let your opponent have a better chance at getting a takedown. Granted, it is possible to get good enough that this problem is nullified because the combos are set up correctly. This is what we saw Silva do in his last Chael fight. His striking is so good now that he's able to move fluidly and be aggressive while not being at much risk to a takedown

    GSP is really really good at playing his game, but sadly for him, Silva is better at that same game. I don't mean the wrestling part of it, but the setups, timing, and range. Of course, by now Silva's wrestling is more than enough to withstand GSP's offense. GSP's setups are much better than Chael's, but if you can stuff Chael, you can stuff anybody smaller than Chael.
  51. #876
    PlayToWin, from now on instead of apologizing to wufwuggy, if you could just post "Oh hi, I'm wufwugy", that would be much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    PlayToWin, from now on instead of apologizing to wufwuggy, if you could just post "Oh hi, I'm wufwugy", that would be much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    GSP tried to stay in his comfort zone but condit was such a beast that it was still interesting, and ofc we saw GSP well out of his comfort zone in the 3rd round. Solid fight indeed.

    My buddy texted me "HOLY SHIT" in the 3rd, and I assumed my stream was behind and the fight had ended, then GSP went down from that sick headkick combo and I kept waiting for condit to finish him. Was so confused when the round ended.
  54. #879
    I would definitely pick GSP to beat Diaz now. In a long enough fight, Diaz eventually subs or KOs GSP, but not in a 25 minute one where GSP fights the way he did.

    One of the reasons Condit ran so much from Diaz was that he has a quirky offensive style they he tries to use defensively. He's not a counter-striker i.e. he doesn't set up counters that much, instead looks for openings to initiate offensive combos. Which is really weird since he doesn't try to bully his opponents. Because of this weird dynamic he was able to catch GSP but unable to do much else since his style isn't really the kind that should work against somebody who knows what he's doing

    Now if Georges fights Silva, it'll be entirely different since Silva would counter with impeccability instead of just backing up until he decided to go on an offensive combo like Condit

    I feel like they won't make Silva vs GSP now. They really shouldn't anyways. Hendricks should get the shot against GSP and it would be a very exciting fight since Hendricks would stuff some of the takedowns well and has such a huge KO threat. I suspect GSP would win that one too though since his speed and timing is second to none in the division
  55. #880
    yeah i really doubt we will see gsp v silva yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I would definitely pick GSP to beat Diaz now. In a long enough fight, Diaz eventually subs or KOs GSP, but not in a 25 minute one where GSP fights the way he did.

    One of the reasons Condit ran so much from Diaz was that he has a quirky offensive style they he tries to use defensively. He's not a counter-striker i.e. he doesn't set up counters that much, instead looks for openings to initiate offensive combos. Which is really weird since he doesn't try to bully his opponents. Because of this weird dynamic he was able to catch GSP but unable to do much else since his style isn't really the kind that should work against somebody who knows what he's doing

    Now if Georges fights Silva, it'll be entirely different since Silva would counter with impeccability instead of just backing up until he decided to go on an offensive combo like Condit

    I feel like they won't make Silva vs GSP now. They really shouldn't anyways. Hendricks should get the shot against GSP and it would be a very exciting fight since Hendricks would stuff some of the takedowns well and has such a huge KO threat. I suspect GSP would win that one too though since his speed and timing is second to none in the division
  57. #882
    Quote Originally Posted by givememyleg View Post
    yeah i really doubt we will see gsp v silva yet.
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  58. #883
    hey i've been wrong before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
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    I'm no expert in MMA (more of a boxing fan) but I can't see GSP doing well against Silva. I think he coasts or has an inability to finish guys off or its a combo of the 2.
    I mean he spends literally 20 out of 25 mins on top of someone, and cant finish them, he wins easily but he doesnt finish them....and that would haunt him against Silva.

    He's better off fighting that dude who knocked out Kampmann (cant remember the name) and let Silva fight Jones....

    I thought he looked good for being out of the ring for 18 months but I doubt it would have looked much different if he hadnt been injured...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
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    ^^^ hahaha.

    Whatever, bring on Silva, even if it's a loss for GSP it can't be anywhere near as embarrassing a performance as the one Bonnar put forth.

    GSP only wins by doing what Chael almost did in 2010; scoring successive takedowns and getting in some light ground n' pound. Any scenario where the two trade blows for extended periods is going to ruin GSP.

    What is he, anyway, 4 inches shorter? 5 inches less reach, minimum? I'm worried that the physical disparity will be too much to even yield an interesting fight. Like Jon Jones versus anyone in his division.

    BTW Wuf I hope you're right and Machida owns Jon 'douchebag' Jones in the rematch.
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    The big problem with GSP fighting Silva is that it would be much easier for GSP to fight at 155 than 185. Combine this with GSP having a challenger and Silva/Jones having more than a snowball's chance in hell, and I don't think we'll ever see it.
  66. #891
    I don't get why it seems that Martin Kampmann is the gatekeeper for welterweight title shots. Knock him out and bam, time to challenge GSP.

    If GSP / Silva will ever happen it has to be their next fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post
    I don't get why it seems that Martin Kampmann is the gatekeeper for welterweight title shots. Knock him out and bam, time to challenge GSP.
    I'm not sure what you mean by this. Hendricks has strung together five wins against tough opponents, including wins over Fitch and Koscheck. Jake Shields [barely] beat Kampmann in a fight where he was brought over specifically to fight GSP, and the fight with Kampmann was basically considered a formality.

    As an aside, Diego Sanchez has also beat Kampmann semi-recently, but he lost to Ellenberger (who also semi-recently lost to Kampmann but beat Shields lol).

    Hendricks is by far the clear number one contender at the moment. Condit will have to put together two or three wins to get back to that spot, and so will Diaz if he decides to fight again.

    I want to point out that Kampmann is pretty legit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penneywize View Post
    If GSP / Silva will ever happen it has to be their next fight.
    I don't personally think it will ever happen, but I agree that the only chance for it to happen is their next fight.
    Last edited by spoonitnow; 11-19-2012 at 06:51 PM.
  68. #893
    cain validates my cain fanboyism. dat pressure. you can't fight it.

    and how about that jim miller? goddamn.
  69. #894
    Pretty slick. I feel silly because I've had Cain as the favorite in the matchup from before the first fight to just a couple days ago, but let Jack Slack's technical analysis of their striking convince me otherwise. That'll be the last time I don't listen to my intuition

    Cain vs Overeem is a very interesting fight. While Overeem does have heart, we may get to see him pushed beyond a point he has been before; thus his heart may disappear again. OTOH, he is technically more efficient and well-rounded than Junior in every way and he may be able to muscle Cain around even

    But the most interesting part of the matchup is the style clash. They both very necessarily rely on ring/cage generalship: Cain via aggression, wrestling, and pace-setting; Overeem via cornering and countering
  70. #895
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Pretty slick. I feel silly because I've had Cain as the favorite in the matchup from before the first fight to just a couple days ago, but let Jack Slack's technical analysis of their striking convince me otherwise.
    That's exactly what I thought, was going to put money on Cain before I read those.

    I think Cain should be a decent favourite vs Overeem though, I doubt he has the scrambling ability and TDD that JDS has while gassed, which will probably happen to any of Cains opponents in the first round if he brings the gameplan he did in his last 2 fights.
  71. #896
    Quote Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
    That's exactly what I thought, was going to put money on Cain before I read those.

    I think Cain should be a decent favourite vs Overeem though, I doubt he has the scrambling ability and TDD that JDS has while gassed, which will probably happen to any of Cains opponents in the first round if he brings the gameplan he did in his last 2 fights.
    If he's not gassed, I think Overeem has the best TDD in the division other than Cain himself and obv Cormier. But yeah, the threat of Overeem gassing, losing his heart/chin, or losing his generalship is really big

    Easily one of the most exciting stylistic clashes there is though because it will be such a battle of wills and struggle for dominant power in ways that many other fights aren't
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  73. #898
    im american so no stars, but this works like a charm

    http://www.firstrow1.eu/sport/boxing-wwe-ufc.html
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