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fucccccccckkkkkk did gsp just blow his acl
pissed, nick was going to pound that ass. into a new century. for reals, people were vastly overestimating gsp's chances in that fight, and finally the gymnast who doesn't know any better combos than a sloppy jab jab overhand was gonna get pounded by the mma fighter with not only the best striking but best ground game in the entire sport. best is an understatement. nick diaz would beat anderson on the feet. no joke. i didnt understand his style for the longest time, but now i do, and it's the 4oz glove style that apparently nobody yet understands is proper mma standup.
and i cant root against condit now because the man is amazing, but i wanted nick to be allowed to end gsp's reign so bad before my two fav fighters in condit and nick had to square off
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The only thing about that fight that surprised me was that, as far as I remember, Lesnar never attempted a takedown.
The retirement thing is odd. He's not my favorite fighter (though he's grown on me some), but I hate seeing him quit. If nothing else, he's fun to watch.
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I learned how to beat Diaz tonight. Obviously Nate is different than Nick because he's not unstoppable off his back like Nick is, but assuming takedown to LnP is not a possibility against a Diaz (it's not against Nick, regardless what people would like to think about the role of wrestling in MMA), the way to beat the Diaz brothers on the feet is excellent footwork. Always active, always making angles, never stand in front of them for even a second. Like Freddie Roach said, they have excellent hands, but they plod. Their hands would be nullified by somebody with MMA footwork on the level of Pacquiao.
I got Nick beating Condit right now, but his footwork is quite a bit better than Cerrone's, and that will mean that Nick vs Condit will be a bit closer than Nate vs Cerrone
Also, Junior vs Overeem will be the hardest fight to handicap to date IMO
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Man I must say I was fucking tense during the Main Event. Was 3/3 on my picks for the night, and I've been saying for months now that Brock would not even get one single takedown on Overeem.
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Watched Overeem/Lesnar and Cain/Junior again. Overeem beats Junior. I reserve the right to change on that, as I always mold my thoughts more as it comes closer to fight night, but Overeem should definitely be the favorite unless I come up with some reason why he shouldn't. He's just as quick, just as attentive, just as aggressive, yet with a technique and power advantage. If this was K1, Overeem would be the favorite. And since it's clear Overeem adapts well to the smaller gloves, this is basically a K1 fight, where Junior is just slightly below the level of Badr and Remy, yet Overeem's most powerful weapon in knees is not prohibited
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Oh also, Overeem bossed Brock around like they weren't in the same weight class. Given his style of conserving energy yet still being aggressive, he's going to be a bit stronger than Junior. That will only matter in cage generalship and clinch, though, because Overeem won't try for a TD, especially since Junior's TDD and scrambling is superb
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Overeem won't lose a fight until either:
1) injury;
2) stripped of belt due to violation of UFC rules
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Funny thing is there's a strong suggestion that Dana knows Overeem is on drugs. Ariel seems to think Overeem ducked that test for about a month, and Dana's got a smirk and no response. I recall Overeem only ducked it for about a week, but he's on drugs regardless. They all are; gotta get with the times
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Also LOL Fitch. Can't really learn anything from a flash like that, but Fitch getting insta-KO'd is poetic. I had Hendricks winning, but normally it wouldn't be in such a stark fashion. The thing about guys like Fitch is they're not as good as everybody thinks. Guys who have problems finishing are never as good as everybody thinks; if they were as good, they'd be finishing, it really is that simple.
That's why GSP fans need to be scared when he fights Diaz/Condit. Not just the fact that he's not finishing because his edge is not that big, but that he doesn't throw combos because his boxing isn't that good, and that he's running out of opponents for whom wrestling is a factor due to them all being sucky at either striking or BJJ.
I'll never miss a shot to hate on Georgie Poo, just sayin
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Can't believe this thread wasn't bumped. WTF. I watched the Diaz/Condit fight and thought Nick took it home, if only by a hair. Any thoughts Wuf? I was rooting for Condit... And I'm glad I'll now have the privilege to watch him fight GSP, but honestly, why in the hell would Diaz seriously talk about retirement directly following the bout? He's 28 years old. Done? Bunch of bullshit. What a crybaby. Glad he lost, in retrospect.
Wuf, I'm expecting your breakdown...
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I was gonna bump the thread, but the last page was 66% wufposts, and I figured nobody really cared to read my thoughts on MMA anymore
Long story short, Nick and Carlos were my two favorite fighters, I didn't really wanna watch the fight because I wanted them both to win, but I eventually got into it and was excited for the fight, and I realized that Nick Diaz really is my all time favorite because I believe he is the most technically talented in the sport, the p4p #1, and would beat every single MW and possibly LHW in a fight to the death. The man is a real fucking fighter, and he should be everybody's favorite IMO
And then Carlos runs. He taps and runs, taps and runs. Nick bossed him around like crazy, Carlos moved backwards and had to reset position a TON, yet the judges gave him the cage control/aggression victory. In the battle of effective striking, Nick also won, but don't tell that to idiot judges or fans who think that pulling strikes are power shots. If you'll notice, on the boards where people post gifs where Condit supposedly landed good shots, he actually didn't. He landed weak as shit shots because he had zero intention in landed heavy. He even implied in an interview that he wasn't interested in trying hurt Nick, he just wanted to score points for the retard judges with worthless shots. Condit showed the world that he can't beat Nick Diaz. The Natural Born Killer suddenly became the Natural Born Runner, something he has never done before, yet people seem to think this doesn't demonstrate how he actually lost the fight
After the BJ fight, I decided the way to beat Diaz. Either through having better boxing, which is the super hard way since his hands are by far the best in the sport; or by sticking and moving and never getting stuck in front of him. The latter is what people say Carlos did, but he didn't. Stick and move suggests power shots; Carlos attempted very little power in his shots. It's not that the NBK was a scared homie, but that Butthurt Jackson wanted to "beat" Diaz so badly that he brainwashed Condit into fighting like a powerless, ineffective tool. I hope the NBK makes a return, but sadly, I feel like Greg Vader has sapped his soul
GSP beats Condit. Before this fight, I had Condit possibly as like a -110 favorite against GSP, but we now know that Condit will play it safe when he's up against somebody who truly threatens him, and GSP truly threatens him. And the thing is that if you play it safe against GSP, you lose. Nobody can play a methodical and safe game like him. Nobody
Nick Diaz still whoops GSP though. I feel like Georges wouldn't run (or even be able to) the way Condit did, and we would see some level of fight break out. And the bottom line is that Nick is way better standing and on his back than anybody GSP has faced. The fight could start with Georges in Nick's guard at the beginning of each round, and Nick would still win. His BJJ is considered some of the best in the sport, but it is still curiously the most underrated BJJ in the entire sport. Nick is a fucking wizard on the ground. GSP would get swept within two minutes by technique he hasn't even trained for.
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Boooring. I wanna see Nick vs GSP. Or BJ vs El Nino. Or Shogun at MW and Fedor at LHW. I wonder if any of this is gonna happen, likely not.
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Also, Nick should be given a medal for getting popped for weed. That's not a performance enhancing drug, but a performance detracting drug. The idea that it numbs him is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and there's a zero percent chance he was high during the fight. If Nick fought baked, he would get KO'd in every damn fight
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Boooring. I wanna see Nick vs GSP. Or BJ vs El Nino. Or Shogun at MW and Fedor at LHW. I wonder if any of this is gonna happen, likely not.
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My only hope for the sport is Overeem, Nate Diaz, and maybe if Ellenberger can keep KOing fools. Nick vs Carlos was such a terrible night for the sport. Reward boring and terrible fighting while punishing those who put butts in the seats and epitomize what fighting is really about
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BTW, I have Anderson beating Chael this time around. I still hate his guts because of the striptease he did for Maia, and because all he does is talk about respect yet doesn't have an ounce of respect for the fans or the sport because he doesn't seem to realize that when somebody says he's gonna slap your wife on the ass, you do what GSP did by getting mad and vowing to deliver a beatdown
Anyways, Anderson spent a lot of time being surprised by Chael in the first fight. His wrestling fucking sucked, and he wasn't ready for somebody who drove forward in striking so much. But this time he'll be ready, and this will actually favor Silva. Defensive wrestling is substantially easier than offensive, at least for MMA, and Silva will be very well-prepared. In the striking exchanges, Silva will outclass Chael this time simply by being better. I think he was just caught off guard in the first fight and kinda didn't know what to do
His knockdown counter jab of Okami was some sick shit though. His best knockdown to date. Several other KOs definitely look flashier, but the Okami one was just Silva standing right in front of him, slipping his jab, then counter jabbing. It was beautiful
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Yeah, but if you don't look at her arm it's still pretty hot.
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It's funny how people thought Meisha was gonna win. Rousey is the best athlete in the history of the sport, and it's not really even close. What it takes, mentally and physically, to become America's first female judoka olympic medalist is a bit more than what any other MMAers have done to date
She'll stomp Cyborg too. Even at 145, even if she roids to the gills. Only way Cyborg wins is by KO, but womens upper bodies to weak enough that KOs are extremely hard to get, and Ronda probably has a Diaz type chin to begin with. And even with all her man muscle, Cyborg gets tooled in the clinch and ground
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I will never be able to get over how depressing this fight was. Carlos should have been fucking disqualified
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bumping with the truest gif there ever was or ever will be
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Bumping just to say that I am sick of watching Jon Jones fights and wish he'd just move up already. I really want to see whether he is "that good" or just technically sound / unpredictable and couples that with his ridiculous physical advantage to dominate most if not all of his fights.
As it stands, there has not been an exciting fight in the light heavyweight division in ages.
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^^Yep
Jones is boring to watch because he has the "perfect" mix of talent and the right kind of size/athletic advantage that allows him to never sacrifice position for power. Some are fooled into thinking he's an exciting fighter due to the Machida fight, but if you watch that closely, Jones was merely doing a specific move that his corner was telling him to do over and over, which is the same move that Shogun did to KO Machida, which for some stupid reason Machida has yet to learn that he needs to stop diving in with a left straight as a counter to a leg kick
Hendo is a boring fight because he's just too short, and he won't be able to land with any power. He gets subbed
Jones would get his ass handed to him by Overeem though. Well, so would Junior and Cain and Mir. Hunt might be the only guy who doesn't get raped by Overeem. Sadly, people hate good fights so they care about steroids
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been listening to joe rogan's podcast recently, the chael sonnen & eddie bravo eps have some solid MMA stories and random banter. Some hilarious stories of leben getting abused by his parents!
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if i had a hero, it would be chael p sonnen
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How is Mir challenging for the heavyweight title btw? I don't get it. Hasn't be been beaten up enough? He's not champion material. At least not anymore.
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How is Mir challenging for the heavyweight title btw? I don't get it. Hasn't be been beaten up enough? He's not champion material. At least not anymore.
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Yeah, this is gonna be a massacre
Mir is simply one of the most popular and marketed HWs. Plus, technically, he's in front of anybody else just based on wins/losses. However, he should also be considered tied with Hunt in that regard, and Hunt should have gotten the shot, but it doesn't matter now since he's injured too
JDS vs Hunt would have been amaaaaaaaazing
Mir will never be champ again. He does way too much shit wrong. Like in one of his most recent fights, his sparring partners were Roy Nelson, Mike Whitehead, and Dan Hardy. He doesn't spar with anybody better than him in just about any way, he doesn't appear to have that great of coaching, except for Robert Drysdale. Which shows why Mir's BJJ is what it is. Drysdale is pimp, and without him, Mir would not have been able to do everything right in developing that kimura on Nog
But anyways, Nog worked him on the feet and pushed him around, despite being slower and smaller. Mir's main problem is that he's just not a fighter. Maybe he's competitive, but he's not a naturally gifted athlete, so he gets outworked by everybody and anybody. He spends too much time working positions, and too little time just blasting some fools. This lapse in aggression is why Brock was able to nuggy him, why Carwin raped him, why small/slow Nog made him look like a child, and why JDS will KO him quite cleanly
I'm really upset Hunt's injured. When he's on his game, the man is legit as a motherfucker, and could quite possibly make JDS look overhyped. His power, timing, and technique is as good as anybody's
That's fucking Ray Sefo not even hurting him BTW
Absolutely beautiful check hook. Don't see these that often in MMA. Also, this is what playing "evasively" looks like. None of that Condit running away trash. It shows Hunt's on a whole nother level of striking acumen
Who could forget the uppercut walkoff
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can't f'n wait for the silva rematch, rite?
and re: Mir...meh he may or may not be champion material anyway but he's got f'n heart! to come back from that pounding and bust nog's arm battered & dazed when nog's trying to finish the fight?
That's skillz.
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Yeah he does need props for that. But also the fight would have been stopped if the ref cared more about Mir's health than about warning about back-of-head punches. In some ways, Mir's BJJ is extremely good. He gets way too many brainfarts though
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Funny thing is the worst fight on the card is the Main Event
Lavar gonna smash Struve. Struve is fucking incapable of fighting tall and long and his takedowns are not great, so that means Johnson will KO him. I really like Johnson, and he has the second most power in MMA (Overeem is #1, Carwin or Hunt is #3)
Miocic vs Rosario is a fantastic fight. Both of them will be looking for the kill. No idea who wins, but I guess probably Rosario
Roy and Herman is also a great fight because they're both gonna go for the kill as well. I'm guessing Herman wins because Really Should Be A Middleweight Fat Country should not be capable of beating any good fighter with real HW measurments
Cain vs Bigfoot is a gimme to Cain. I don't really even know why this fight is happening. I mean, Silva got crushed by an "up and comer" in his last fight. Maybe he's terribly overrated due to his win over Fedor. Which is silly because Fedor probably wasn't even top 20 HW at that time. I'm not saying that retrospectively either, I said he wasn't top 10 before he even fought Werdum.
Actually, I do know why it's happening; so Cain can get a KO win then fight for the title again
I'm hoping for a Mir win, but it won't happen. I don't really like Junior, especially because he's already begun being a bitch fighter, we just haven't seen it yet. What I mean is he said he was training to take Overeem to the ground, and the only reason he went for the kill against Cain was because he was injured and couldn't stick to his gameplan of going all five. Contrast this with how he always says he's always looking for the knockout. The logic does not compute. I loathe this mentality. I can only root for guys who do not refuse to sacrifice position for power. A big problem is how long the match is though, what Sonnen said about that is absolutely correct. But that's one reason why fighters need to be more like the Diaz brothers by only throwing power shots when they're set up.
Anyways, the person I like the most with any relation to the Main Event is Mir's coach Drysdale. Braulio Estima was a bitch ass fucking pussy for not taking that match when Nick no-showed. So yeah I'm gonna root for Mir then. Mir is not winning though, and I think there's a good possibility the fight is the most boring on the PPV card
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I hope mir wins but he won't. would be awesome if he pulled another nog-style victory tho, rite?
cain is strongerdo and needs another shot against junior
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LOL roy nelson. when asked by joe how he lands those big knockout shots "lot of eating" as he grabs his guts.
That whole fight had me lulling. when he jumps in the air at the start and herman just looks at him like "don't tire yerself out, tubby"
edit: dan hardy celebrating before finishing the fight was also awesome. as was his hook ofc, but lol
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entertaining UFC as a whole. lots of great finishes, I just get more respek for both cain & junior. that'll be a rematch of machida / shogun or silva / sonnen proportions.
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