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[Penneywize]

I must say I am quite pleased with Aoki's performance. It's nice to see a success for a crossover Japanese fighter, but more importantly, LW didn't appear to have an uber submission guy after what Gil did to Aoki. But maybe he's learned and he could provide an awesome dynamic to the wrestle-heavy, striker-happy LW division. One of my favorite things to watch is an expert judo/bjj guy with competent striking/wrestling. Like Roger Gracie, and it appears Aoki might be going down that road too. It's a very tough plan to counter for standard fighters today too

Every division needs a guy who is so good on the ground that nobody would try to take them down in their right mind. As of now, it looks like HW is now the only one without a guy like that in the top five-ten. Oh and BW, possibly FW too, but those divisions are not nearly as developed yet

Interesting, but allow me to ask the Q on everyone's mind at the moment

who is that girl in your sig and, uh, where did that clip come from.

[wufwugy]

maybe its from a movie called year one or something. i figured it was from a porn or something

[Penneywize]

maybe its from a movie called year one or something. i figured it was from a porn or something

[ ] satisfactory answer

anyhow I'm stocked for Apr 30th. going to be such a huge event at Roger's center. Can't help but wonder how shitty the view's going to be for so many of the fans in attendance. Even at larger venues like the Bell Centre it's kind of ridiculous how little you see up in the cheap seats. The building's designed for hockey games - playing surface way larger than the octagon. I can't imagine how bad it'll be for one designed for F'n baseball.

[wufwugy]

What I'd like to see

Machida headkick KO Handy

Hominick left hook KO Aldo, Condit style

Shields hammerlock GSP

[Roid_Rage]

Confirmed from movie Year One with Jack Black and that skinny douche (not McLovin) from Superbad.

[Penneywize]

Confirmed from movie Year One with Jack Black and that skinny douche (not McLovin) from Superbad.

meh, I guess the set / costume design was too good to be from a porn anyway

[Roid_Rage]

Cave man porn... now there's an untapped niche!

[spoonitnow]

more like untapped bitch amirite

[spoonitnow]

speaking of bitches, who else celebrated when cyborg crushed carano's soul

[wufwugy]

this guy

[wufwugy]

Primetime was great, French Robot shaking in his boots IMO. I sooooo wanna see the upset

Wait actually I don't because I would rather see Diaz vs GSP down the road. Jake really could pull it off though. He works at least as hard as GSP, and what it's going to boil down to is if and how much of a better wrestler he is. While GSP does have great wrestling, I don't think it's what everybody else thinks. I feel like if Chael moved down to WW he would run through GSP

[wufwugy]

YouTube - Best MMA knockouts of 2010 Top 25 knockouts of 2010

[wufwugy]

Pretty great look at what the ability to take a punch really is

YouTube - George Chuvalo - Never Dropped

[Donachello]

Kinda want to put money on shields after seeing the Primetime tbh.

[spoonitnow]

lol shields

also i had a funny captcha earlier i need to share:

[wufwugy]

He's coming Georgie Poo. He's coming

[Penneywize]

didn't know GSP had the jungle fever...

[wufwugy]

Man Honkey Kong is such an awful coach. Also a retard. I mean I knew he was stupid, but he might even be on Palin's level of dumbass

[wufwugy]

lol just watched Shields vs Hendo again, and daaaaaamn I must have been too drunk to notice how bad Jake's striking was. I knew it was crummy, but broken back Hendo landed every single punch. Not to mention that Mayhem subbed Shields

Game over, GSP already won, might as well not watch the fight now

[BankItDrew]

Rumor has it Shield's ground game is far superior to GSP's.

[wufwugy]

Superior? Yes. Far superior? No. Do I think it will matter? No. On the possibility that Jake's wrestling is better than GSP's, he does have a clear path to victory, but after watching his fight with Hendo again, I think GSP is going to be able to hang in the wrestling just fine

A good corollary may be somebody like Demian Maia. Super sick jiu-jitsu, but because he's had to spend so much time training other things and his opponents come very prepared in BJJ, Maia hasn't subbed his last three wins. I don't think it will be any different with Jake. And like I said, a mere five second difference, and Mayhem would have put Shields to sleep

One thing about me is that I look for reasons to root against big stars. I don't know why, I just do. So I try really hard to hate GSP and figure out why he's gonna lose this fight. But I can't because GSP is impossible to hate, and all the time I've spent rationalizing Jake's chances has now flipped. I always said that GSP is a pretty nice favorite here, but now I think he actually has a good shot at getting a stoppage this time.

And then I'll have to try to hate him again since there will be a deluge of 14 year old fanbois whining about how he doesn't move up to fight Britney. The last fight I want to see is GSP vs Silva. Nobody uses their brains. If GSP moved up without being beaten first, then the WW division would lose so much steam since any new champ is forever a paper champ, and the cries of GSP moving back down would become even louder. IMO, the only time a champ should move up is in very rare circumstances like with Bones, and he should do it now, not wait and defend a few times. That shouldn't be a problem though because I think if Bones stays at LHW too long he will lose due to the same problems OVEREEM had at LHW

[Luke999]

Got some small bets for 129, not serious +EV bets, got aldo by sub, shields by sub.
Only serious bet is Machida by ko/tko.

GSP vs Shields - GSP has the stand up department completely locked down, no questions there, I don't think shields even has a punchers chance if i'm honest. I think GSP takes this fight like 85% of the time.
Shields only chance to win is decision IMO. Obviously shields pure BJJ is way better than GSP but no gi, sweaty after round 1 and the fact GSP is a black belt and working heavily on sub defence with Roger Gracie etc I can't see shields managing a sub, unless he somehow totally clinch/cage stalls and fitch's GSP into exhaustion. Shields sub wins aren't over any legit black belts, but obviously the chance is still there. I think a low % of the time he scrapes 3 rounds vs 2 via cage fucking GSP, but I doubt this happens enough.

Machida vs Couture - I did for awhile think Couture has a shot at wall n stalling, then killed the hype off in my mind realising Machida is strong in the clinch, has good trips, good take down defence, legit ground game and is just way faster than couture. I mean vs zombie nog he looked average, got dropped twice and swept. I think Machida's speed will light Randy up, and we know his chin is almost gone. Machida by TKO



and I hate hearing how GSP is too small to fight Silva, GSP is a big welterweight, it's not like Andersons size is gonna be used to wrestle fuck GSP, reach and height yes, but I think GSP beats Silva a huge % of the time, and I will bet heavily on GSP beating silva.

[BankItDrew]

THIS JUST IN:

BANKITDREW HAS TICKETS TO UFC 129

THEY ARE NOT FOR SALE

I am officially better than you.

[wufwugy]

[wufwugy]

Got some small bets for 129, not serious +EV bets, got aldo by sub, shields by sub.
Only serious bet is Machida by ko/tko.

GSP vs Shields - GSP has the stand up department completely locked down, no questions there, I don't think shields even has a punchers chance if i'm honest. I think GSP takes this fight like 85% of the time.
Shields only chance to win is decision IMO. Obviously shields pure BJJ is way better than GSP but no gi, sweaty after round 1 and the fact GSP is a black belt and working heavily on sub defence with Roger Gracie etc I can't see shields managing a sub, unless he somehow totally clinch/cage stalls and fitch's GSP into exhaustion. Shields sub wins aren't over any legit black belts, but obviously the chance is still there. I think a low % of the time he scrapes 3 rounds vs 2 via cage fucking GSP, but I doubt this happens enough.

Machida vs Couture - I did for awhile think Couture has a shot at wall n stalling, then killed the hype off in my mind realising Machida is strong in the clinch, has good trips, good take down defence, legit ground game and is just way faster than couture. I mean vs zombie nog he looked average, got dropped twice and swept. I think Machida's speed will light Randy up, and we know his chin is almost gone. Machida by TKO



and I hate hearing how GSP is too small to fight Silva, GSP is a big welterweight, it's not like Andersons size is gonna be used to wrestle fuck GSP, reach and height yes, but I think GSP beats Silva a huge % of the time, and I will bet heavily on GSP beating silva.

Sorry homey, but you losing money on Jake. Upon more comprehensive review, G to the SP beats him everywhere at everything. Not only that but GSP is the most athletically gifted WW. Jake hasn't subbed anybody of worth lately, he won't even come close on GSP. The fact that GSP has evolved a ton while Jake is still the same says everything that needs to be said. Jake is entering the big leagues. This will probably be his last main event.

Machida will turn Handy's face into blueberry pie though

[Luke999]

Sorry homey, but you losing money on Jake. Upon more comprehensive review, G to the SP beats him everywhere at everything. Not only that but GSP is the most athletically gifted WW. Jake hasn't subbed anybody of worth lately, he won't even come close on GSP. The fact that GSP has evolved a ton while Jake is still the same says everything that needs to be said. Jake is entering the big leagues. This will probably be his last main event.

Machida will turn Handy's face into blueberry pie though

I know I said all that in my post, hence why it was like a £4 "fun" bet :P

[dthorne04]

seagal looks like a burnt up piece of shoe leather lurking in the background

[CoccoBill]

UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St. Pierre makes the trek to the Sport Science lab to see if he has what it takes to beat Jake Shields in the Octagon. St. Pierre showed off his stamina and punches to ESPN Sport Science's John Brenkus where he tested St. Pierre's power and speed.

- Stamina: When most fighters hit their ceiling (maximum), GSP is at 85% of his max
- Georges St. Pierre's punch registers at 2859 lbs of force
- Georges St. Pierre's kick registers at 3477 lbs of force
- Georges St. Pierre's punch/kick combo registers at 6000+ lbs of force in under 1 second
- Speed: Georges St. Pierre's takedown generates 2400 watts of power in 1.17 second (on par with Rashad Evans)
- Georges St. Pierre's superman punch moves at 15 feet/second (twice as fast as his normal punch)

To compare: Cain Velasquez's punch is 2230 lbs of force, Rampage Jackson's punch is 1800 lbs of force and Shogun Rua's kick is 2749 lbs of force.

Gl Jake.

[wufwugy]

Crazy how Aldo Hominick isn't getting love. That fight is amazing. I just hope that Bas was wrong about Aldo having the same shoulder injury he's got

[spoonitnow]

lol sport science is such a crock of shit

war gsp and couture imo

[wufwugy]

jake is a fucking retard and gsp fucking sucks

once, just once i wanna see somebody actually try to beat gsp. guarantee he gets obliterated the day that happe3ns

[Donachello]

machida kick was awesome. Hominick's head was fucking lol. and GSP vs Shields was epicly yawn inducing. Also, the wings I had from BWW were so tasty.

[spoonitnow]

in before jake couldn't take him down b/c he was greasing

[spoonitnow]

btw this is worth posting: "Update: the 50-43 they read during aldo/hominick was a mistake - it was actually 48-45"

[UG]

btw this is worth posting: "Update: the 50-43 they read during aldo/hominick was a mistake - it was actually 48-45"

I was wondering about that. My wife came down during the fifth round of that fight (when aldo was getting his ass beat). I told her that Aldo would easily win if he could just not get knocked out...She didn't understand because he was getting dominated...so I explained the scoring system, ten-point minimum, etc. Then they rattle off 50-43 for one of the scores and she's all like, "WTF, how could they give him that round, is this stuff fixed?" I was confused too, but told her not to worry as Aldo easily won that fight.

My wife, the ER nurse, was particularly impressed by the hematoma on Hominick's forehead.

[Lukie]

I was thinking that if that hematoma got hit just right, we might have witnessed the first-ever (I think) UFC casualty.

I'm not really sure how medically accurate that is, but it was past the bloody cool factor and into the tough to watch category.

[Penneywize]

fight wasn't vurry exciting

GSP underwhelming, but you have to figure he'll bounce back after this kind of sub-par performance, right?

on to britney?

[wufwugy]

GSP underwhelming, but you have to figure he'll bounce back after this kind of sub-par performance, right?

on to britney?

No

All his performances are the same. My man Carlos Condit will smash his ass, but not before GSPussy declines the fight

Maybe I was wrong all along. Maybe GSPussy was the real overrated wuss, and Silva is the true GOAT. No more lols have ever been had than Jake's dreadful standup lasting five rounds. Britney would make GSPussy look like a GSPussy. The man is not a fighter, but a point-scoring athlete. His time will come merely upon people catching onto his gameplan. Motherfucking Rory McDonald would beat him tonight. If Condit drills TDD he wins the fight 10/10

[Penneywize]

No

All his performances are the same. My man Carlos Condit will smash his ass, but not before GSPussy declines the fight

Maybe I was wrong all along. Maybe GSPussy was the real overrated wuss, and Silva is the true GOAT. No more lols have ever been had than Jake's dreadful standup lasting five rounds. Britney would make GSPussy look like a GSPussy. The man is not a fighter, but a point-scoring athlete. His time will come merely upon people catching onto his gameplan. Motherfucking Rory McDonald would beat him tonight. If Condit drills TDD he wins the fight 10/10

meh

while I respect pretty much everything you have to say on a wide variety of topics, wuf, I gotta say it seems your opinion on this particular individual seems to vary widely over a very short period of time

the only thing GSP's guilty of tonight is exposing a weaker stand up fighter; he fought the way he thought would give him the greatest chance of victory. and for this you go on calling him a pussy etc

so after the addition of one observation to the pile of evidence that asserts GSP's dominance in the WW division, you make a complete about-face, now saying he sucks and now, the next 'elite challenger' will absolutely win against him... which is made ever more strange given that this additional observation was actually one where he won handily over a very skilled and highly touted opponent?

[Penneywize]

let him fight britney, or at least move him up to MW and size him up against taller / heavier fighters etc and see what's up, no? has he not cleaned out the WW division yet

[BennyLaRue]

I was thinking that if that hematoma got hit just right, we might have witnessed the first-ever (I think) UFC casualty.

I'm not really sure how medically accurate that is, but it was past the bloody cool factor and into the tough to watch category.

Yeah, this, totally.

[wufwugy]

he won handily over a very skilled and highly touted opponent?

Except he didn't

Shields is a fucking moron. Complete fucking moron. He exposed GSP. Big time. Because of how fucking stupid he is

Jake should have spent zero time trying to throw down with GSP. ZERO. His striking is dreadful. He is a good fighter if he Chael's like fuck and pushes the takedown battle and clinch and all that shit. The fact that this terrible striker refused to fight correctly yet GSP still got beat up enough that he whined about stupid reasons he's not impressed with his own performance just like every performance he has lately, shows that GSP is not as good as it seems.

The Jake Shields that fought tonight loses to the top 20 WW. I thought for sure there was no way he would come in with such a fucking retarded gameplan. GSP's time is coming. Hardy couldn't stop a poodle from putting him on his back, Koscheck is a fucking retard who gave the fight up with a dreadful plan, and Shields repeated Kos. GSP hasn't fought an effective top five guy in years. Cred isn't all there is, style and gameplan is extremely important. Jake was a fucking turd out there with his god awful bullshit dumbfuck obviously stupid plan. If UFC Primetime was all about Jake going "durr imma stand wit him and try to ko him and not play to my strengths" then nobody would have watched the fucking fight because it would have been ldo that GSP smashes. But the fact that GSP didn't smash a shitty Shields shows how weak he really is.

Silva would turn him into a clusterfuck smorgasbord. GSP has not cleaned out the division because like I said, tonight's Rory would beat him, and Condit would lose a decision due to giving up at least three takedowns but it would involve Condit beating the tar off GSP's face in the mean time and the judges making another awful decision

Not to mention that Lorenzo will put Nick in there next with GSP and Georgie Poo better pray to the gods that Nick doesn't start stuffing his takedowns by round three because if Jake could even touch GSP on the face Nick will put a thrashing on Pretty Boy



Also, my analyses on MMA are somewhat disjointed because most of the time now I'm just winging it. Even with winging it I'm right most of the time, but I just don't put the effort into figuring things out like I used. So that's why you'll get some partial flaws. Keep in mind I was right in about 90% of what I said for this card. Also keep in mind that it's important to mold opinions to new information. Plus GSP is now my new heel. Fucking Frankie Edgar might even beat him. GSP showed us all that the last thing he's done is clean out the division. Fucking he fucking got stood with fucking Jake fucking Shields for fucking five fucking rounds. Fucking Benavidez would finish Shields in a kickboxing match (not really, but it's not far off)

[wufwugy]

Also, isn't Shields the new champ? You know according to the rules? They stopped Fedor because he couldn't see out of his eye, but not GSP? Or was it only after the fight was over and the microphone appeared that a little bit of swelling turned into Frenchie Leukemia of the Retina

[wufwugy]

Actually no GSP does need to move up to MW to fight Chael. Hero Sonnen could have one arm tied behind his back and Thiago Silva's syringe stuck in his shoulder yet still shove a real estate contract up GSPussy's ass

[wufwugy]

Another post for the only correct thing in the whole wide world: baby kicking

[Penneywize]

wuf you gotta at least acknowledge you're basing a shit ton on one somewhat lackluster outing. GSP fought cautiously and rode out a victory that was pretty much never in danger. I can't seriously understand how you put so much weight on one performance, he wasn't even really tested tonight. Anyhow, I guess I'm sounding more and more like a GSP nutcupper, but, jesus man. I suppose you're probably upset at Shields being a moran and not sticking to his game plan etc or even remotely trying to put GSP to the test, but seriously, he landed a few punches and now you reason:

- Jake Shields sucks at stand-up
- Jake Shields landed a few hard blows on GSP over the course of a 5-round fight

THEREFORE:

GSP SUCKS OMG LOL EVEN A FEATHERWEIGHT HAS BETTER STANDUP ROFLCOPTER

cmon, rite

[wufwugy]

Jake would be a big dog standing with like ten other WW for five rounds. Brokeback Hendo hit him with every single shot forcing Jake to go for the takedowns, Kampmann was lighting him up forcing Jake to go for the takedowns, yet GSP lets it stand for most of five rounds.

GSP is good, very good, but there are reasons he's champ right now and reasons he's gonna get beat when somebody finally doesn't let him dictate the fight. For whatever reasons, GSP was capable of exploiting holes in his opponents games. Either by him being better at their strength, them having a gaping hole, or them fighting like morons. But when GSP faces somebody who doesn't fall into those three categories, it's gonna be a different fight. I do believe that the Rory of tonight beats GSP and that if Condit employed an "aggro GSP" strategy he would win i.e. a strategy that involved excelling at wrestling defense yet going for the kill in both striking and takedowns.

The storyline of GSP's fights in the last several years has been: if they can't stuff his takedowns, he takes them down, if they can stuff his takedowns but he can outstrike them, he outstrikes them. And every single one of his opponents have let him dictate this plan. Put Condit in there with awesome wrestling and he'll take it to GSP so much that he'll wanna tap to strikes again. Rory will be better all around. Nick will scare him homey

However, I do think GSP could be a tiny favorite to win decisions against Condit and Nick, but if Rory continues his comeback from the Condit fight and beats somebody like Alves or Fitch like he did Nate, he will whoop GSP like daddy come home from the bar

[spoonitnow]

You've gotta beat the man to be the man.

Also I hate Nate Diaz. I kind of like Nick. What's up with that?

[Luke999]

Epic card, shit main event. As if shields outstruck gsp 97-92.

After tonight I really wanna see GSP vs Nick Diaz, I think he'd be more willing to go to the ground with Nick and wrestle fuck him, but if he didn't it would be fun to see Nick up in his face hitting him, GSP sure as hell seems to worry and be scared of getting hit.

[KoRnholio]

Seriously wtf