The Official MMA thread.

[spoonitnow]

i'll take my $7.50 on crocop against your $22.50 on mir if anyone's interested, quote to book, first person only

i'll also take $10 at even money if you'd rather bet on crocop

[spoonitnow]

ok scratch that, got all the bets i want thanks

[UG]

lol at Mir/Crocop (only fight I saw)

At least it ended with a pretty cool knockout, but literally nothing else happened for 2+ rounds. Joe Rogan even apologized during the fight because there was literally NOTHING going on during the "fight"...

[spoonitnow]

yeah idk wtf is up with that, i miss crocop pre-gonzaga

[wufwugy]

That's what happens when you're no longer provided a deluge of Japanese cans, stylistically encouraging fights, short notice fights, and competition continually improves

Mirko is as good as he ever was (actually, he's a little better), it's his surroundings that have changed.

[Luke999]

Brocktober is amongst us...

Got bet on Cain (while he was an underdog) and a 4 to 1 paylay on him and paulo thiago winning.
And a decent bet on shields.

But fuck the welterweight division tilte fights we gotta look forward too, zzzzzzzzzzzz.

[BennyLaRue]

Question: Did Lesnar just get his ass kicked large?

Question 2: Why are his feet so yellow?

[Luke999]

Question: Did Lesnar just get his ass kicked large?

Question 2: Why are his feet so yellow?

Lesnar rode the top end of run good to survive this long.

Bet on shields was tense, as if the idiot decided to cut 20lbs on the last day, no wonder he looked awfull towards end of round 2 and 3. His ground game is insane though, lol at people saying kampmann was robbed.

Had 3 bets on Velasquesz, paid off as planned, only lost on Paulo Thiago, but what a sick fight that was.

[UG]

only saw the last two fights last night. BJ Penn looked like his old self, he's looked sluggish in his last couple fights if I recall correctly. maybe it's because he was facing 37 year old Matt Hughes, but I hope not, I hope he's back.

Rampage looked pretty good compared to his last fight, but got rocked at the end of round three...will the UFC ever make non-title fights five rounds?

[Penneywize]

anyone watching the TUF finale? jesus what a bunch of bullshit that decision against Nam Phan was. what the fuck?!?!?!??!?!?!

[dthorne04]

nevada athletic commission needs to step up here and fix things. judging is so fucking bad...wtf

[Penneywize]

you know it's fucked up when one judge rules it 30-27 in favour of the obvious winner, and the two other judges somehow rule it 29-28 in favour of the obvious loser. what. the. fuck. How do you fuck that up? What fight were these morons watching.

If I'm not mistaken, the judges were: Cecil Peoples, and two women. Not insinuating anything, but....... Cecil Peoples, veteran judge who used to work boxing for decades. These two women have no such record to speak of.

[Hawk]

i missed that fight, but cecil peoples is lolbad.

[Penneywize]

yeah I've def heard of peoples' fuck ups in the past, but what judge lasts decades without having some type of controversy attributed to them... anyway, I suppose you have a point. There's really no way for me or anyone to be sure that peoples was the one who correctly scored it 30-27, it could have just as easily been one of the two women judges...

Anyhow, something really needs to be done about judging in MMA. this is a travesty, and it is not an isolated incident. what a bunch of BS

[spoonitnow]

Cecil Peoples is an absolutely terrible MMA judge on a consistent basis

[dthorne04]

[kfaess]

DAAAMMMNNNN


what fight is that from?

[Galapogos]

Watching some MMA show right now and one of the fighters has the last name Cox. Laughed pretty hard to hear the announcer say, "He keeps beating on the head of the bigger Cox."

[dthorne04]

Bump.

Next season of The Ultimate Fighter is going to be Dos Santos and Lesnar, winner faces Velasquez when he's back from his injury. Rumored location for their fight is Vancouver in early June.

Fuck yeah.

[wufwugy]

Dana and Joe Silva should be charged with conspiracy to murder. Honkey Kong hasn't beaten anybody other than a fifty year old man, a deer in headlights, and a cadaver. He can't cover up like Roy, he's slow as molasses, Junior will be fast enough to keep the underhooks and scrambles working, then Turtle Lesnar shells up as Junior bombs him even worse than Cain did

I was hoping for a Chael vs Don Frye TUF honestly. That would be the greatest bit of television in all history

[dthorne04]

No matter what you think of the matchmaking it's the best of a bad situation with Velasquez on the shelf and definitely the most competitive fight they could make.

Plus I'll get to see it live so ship it.

[wufwugy]

Oh for sure I agree, the matchmaking and all that is great. Brings in more eyes, the show will probably be entertaining, and it feeds Brock to somebody who's going to make him look even worse than Cain did. I'll take anything that makes Brock look bad. I'm still not over Lactimus Prime punching himself out and having a mana drain between rounds then all the retards claiming Brock's tackle and triangle of a dead man was something other than mediocre

I'm just sad that it seems that Brock won't be provided with the opportunity to lose to Fat Country any time soon.

Not to mention that the Cain/Junior fight is easily the biggest MMA HW fight in history. The only ones that could compare any time soon would be Shane fixing his gas issues and taking one of them on or Overeem smashing Fedor after Werdum's skull is sent into orbit, assuming Fedor can skim past Silva

[wufwugy]

[Penneywize]

Not sure I get...

[wufwugy]

it's sean mccorkle

[wufwugy]

photoshop contest about him being a big bitch started by struve

[wufwugy]

I think I might start posting picks. I've been extremely successful with "play money" handicapping. Maybe one day I'll actually do some real money, but word is that the limits are so low that it's not worth it, plus I'm not sure I want the stress of losing money like I've developed with other things. Anyways, I adore trying to beat the betting odds for MMA, but it is also a bit too easy. A few examples from the past

Shogun was around +125 against Machida in the rematch, I had him at around -300, Mitrione was around -200 against Kimbo, I had him at around -700, Werdum was around +500 against Fedor, I had him at around -125, Sylvia was around -250 against Pudz, I had him at around -2000 no joke, Overeem was around -200 against Rogers, I had him closer to -1000. I think that demonstrates how poorly I think lines are set relative to reality

I kinda stopped caring after I hit the biggest upset in Werdum over Fedor. I didn't consider it an upset, but I don't think I could make a better analysis of any fight in the future than I did for that one. I'm a little saddened it ended so quickly though because it allows nuthuggers to make up more excuses for Fedor as they have been doing.

Anyways, I've gone 8 for 8 in my last picks. It couldn't hurt to post picks now. But watch, I'm gonna get all these wrong now. Just the way the Universe rolls. Especially since I think these picks are close and have high volatility



Roger Gracie is decent at -135. I'm not going back to watch his latest fight or any of Prangley's though because I don't care enough. I'll wait to try to figure either of them out when they're in title contention. Gracie is overall the more talented fighter, and he will probably show up prepared enough to win

It doesn't sound right, but I'm going out on a limb and saying Herschel Walker is great at -300. He's a phenomenal athlete, despite what retards say he's a real MMArtist, AKA will make sure he's very well prepared, and Coker does not want him to lose so Carson should be a good fight for him. However, both Gracie and Walker will suffer a little from name recognition and the lines will be a little extra weighted towards them on that, but not so much so that they're not both favorites

Jacare is better at everything than Lawler. Babalu outstruck Lawler, and Jacare would outstrike Babalu. Getting it to the ground may be a struggle since Hughes will have Lawler pretty prepared with his wrestling, but Lawler is a brawler through and through. He's not going to beat technique and speed, and that's Jacare. Jacare is a steal at -200

Nick Diaz is a strange cat. In some ways he's awesome, others not so much. He never loses badly, but he also never devastates good comp. He's underrated inasmuch as without time limits he's possibly the best WW on the planet, but he's barely even top ten in current rules, and Nick's wins aren't really that great to begin with. Cyborg OTOH is a make or break, and generally lower level. But he's gonna be pimp for this fight. He beat Zaromskis better than Nick did, his wife would go five rounds with Nick, he's going to be very motivated for this fight for various reasons including having to prove things to his wife and Brazilians, he's quite big with an excellent chin and speed and power. Nick has the endurance advantage, but it's not a huge advantage since I think Cyborgs will be good. Nick is going to get hit very hard, he's not going to do much on the wrestling front and he won't be able to work a sub that easily. Cyborg's technique is going to be quite good, but he will also force a brawl and I think he's a great bet at any positive number. I'd rather Nick win though because then Paul Daley will send his dome into orbit

[Penneywize]

Cool wuf, can you post a link explaining the +/- odds / betting system. It may be a Canadian thing, but the system I'm more familiar with deals with only positive, three digit numbers, like 1.25 or 0.85 or whatever, generally referring to the return on a 1 unit bet.

So if the Canadiens play the Flyers, you could have the canadiens at 1.30 and flyers at 0.85, meaning the flyers are the favourites by a significant margin.

I may be (probably) butchering this, I don't gamble on sports much. Perhaps this'll serve to demonstrate my ignorance and need to be educated on the subject.

Enlighten me.

[wufwugy]

I don't gamble on sports either, but I plan to in the future.

Laying on +200 means you're the 2:1 dog and have to win 33% of the time to break even, laying on -200 means you're the 2:1 fav and have to win 66% of the time to break even. -600 means you're a huge fav and when winning you profit one to six on your money, +600 means you're a huge dog and when winning you profit six to one on your money. Or something like that

[wufwugy]

Roger is the real fucking deal. That was possibly the best grappling I've seen in MMA. I wasn't sure how well his striking and transitions were coming along, but he's doing excellently. Future champ, and I don't have him as much of a dog against any LHW on the planet right now. I guarantee every LHW watching that fight made a mental note to never ever ever go to the ground with him

Herschel Walker is what happens when the sport starts garnering the attention of top athletes. The other day, I somewhat facetiously claimed that Herschel would beat Fedor, but that's not too far from true. The days of a pudgy Russian beating freaks, bloated LHWs, subpar athletes, and one dimensional fighters are over, and somebody even as green as Herschel would be a big threat. While Herschel may be old, the level of athlete he is has never been seen in MMA, and likely will not be seen within a decade without crossover

Despite what the retarded commentators said, Jacare was never in much trouble

I can't believe how beatable Nick Diaz is. He's such an excellent fighter, but for a few reasons, he's never going to be best of the best. He needs to do things like throw double the number of strikes. It's a big mistake for him to sacrifice so much strength and speed for all his endurance yet not use it to its peak. His nuthuggers think beating Cyborg shows he's the GOAT, but reality is that Cyborg is not tip top level, yet he was at a draw with Nick until he decided to strap on a white belt and take a nap on Nick's chest

Diaz vs Daley is Paul's to lose.

[wufwugy]

pat barry rules faces

[wufwugy]

At even, Demetrious Johnson is ldo over Kid. I've watched him a little, and Kid zero, but blacksplosive > Japanese crossover. Betting against JMMA crossover is correct by default alone. To date, Okami is the only legit crossover, and that has happened because he's abandoned his roots' rigidity

I don't care about Rocha vs Ellenberger

I don't have any thoughts on Banuelos vs Torres other than Banuelos is probably not bad at his +300 line. There are still some hype issues with Torres, and so any legit contender is usually at a poorly constructed line.

Rich vs Forrest is an excellent fight, very tough to call, but it doesn't really have any exciting implications so I don't care to figure it out. Neither of them will ever hold a belt again. The only member of the LHW old guard that could would be Randy if he exclusively went the grapple-fuck route. I'm not picking a winner here, just watching

Bader is a beast, but not only is Bones future LHW champ, but future HW champ as well. He is going to make Bader look awkward. Bones is a steal at -300

Britney Silva is one of the most overrated assholes in the game. He gets his ass handed to him by Chael in every way, yet because he was able to exploit one specific flaw in Chael's game, everybody forgets how badly he got whooped. Everybody he's fought was tailor made or made huge mistakes. We already saw what a wrestler who sticks to wrestling can do, and now Vitor will show us what a striker can do.

This is going to be the best Vitor we've ever seen, and I can't wait until he sends Britney's skull into orbit and I finally don't have to hear about his pompous faggot ass anymore. Vitor at +230 is crazy good. I will probably cry if Silva wins

[Penneywize]

Who is this roger character you speak of, and would you think he's 'not much of a dog' against top-level talent like a Jones or a Rua?

Also, RE Anderson Silva, can't say I agree. I am obviously a lot less knowledgeable than you are on the topic... but regarding his sonnen bout, wasn't he suffering from a cracked rib or some shit? When he took his bows, he barely leaned forward at all. Seemed to be out of sorts... I feel like if he were in top shape, the fight would not have been close... I'm guessing by your assertions that you think that this argument is BS, but I'm just trying to figure out why you're convinced he's so so overrated?

[dthorne04]

Britney Silva is one of the most overrated assholes in the game. He gets his ass handed to him by Chael in every way, yet because he was able to exploit one specific flaw in Chael's game, everybody forgets how badly he got whooped. Everybody he's fought was tailor made or made huge mistakes. We already saw what a wrestler who sticks to wrestling can do, and now Vitor will show us what a striker can do.

[wufwugy]

Who is this roger character you speak of, and would you think he's 'not much of a dog' against top-level talent like a Jones or a Rua?

Roger Gracie. The best BJJ in MMA today, at least at open weight. He has an unstoppable ground game and a fantastic clinch. He's basically a super mega Gracie. What I mean by that is that the Gracies are all about making a point about the superiority of grappling to everything else. Roger is showing that he's trying to do exactly that

I don't think there is a single LHW or HW in the UFC that he doesn't sub in a grappling match, and I think that he's developing his striking and clinch to make sure he gets it to the mat for MMA. Prangley is not joke, and Roger made him look like a grappling amateur.

Also, RE Anderson Silva, can't say I agree. I am obviously a lot less knowledgeable than you are on the topic... but regarding his sonnen bout, wasn't he suffering from a cracked rib or some shit?

More like he's suffering from being a liar. I'll give him a cracked rib, maybe he had it, maybe he didn't, I don't care. The man is a clown, and has been a hype machine since the beginning of his UFC reign. Excluding Chael, not once in Silva's UFC career has he faced somebody who excels at something and stuck to a gameplan.

He's good, but he's not the p4p king like so many people think.

Hendo would have kicked his ass if he didn't abandon wrestling, Maia would have at least gotten very close if he had used aggressive wrestling, Forrest would have given him a war if he tried to grind instead of diving right into Silva's pot-shotting gameplan, and Vitor is going to KTFO him by virtue of being the first excellent striker he's ever faced

My hope is that Britney tries to bring back the Ali Shuffle. There's a reason he's 1-1 in boxing and Freddie Roach said he couldn't make it

[wufwugy]

Except that it's a fact. We know he's good, but he has done nothing to demonstrate he's as good as everybody thinks. If a game Vitor shows up, yet Silva beats him up at that game, then he'll be about halfway to the point that everybody currently has him. The other thing he'll need to do is show that he can handle an aggressive grappler, which we already know he can't. All the stuff about him handling Chael is retarded, Chael gets triangled by everybody, and I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did

The fact of the matter is that we don't know how good Silva is, but that having him anywhere close to p4p king is silly. But for some reason MMA fans are incapable of looking beyond a strict reading of wins and losses

[wufwugy]

Homey got in Britney's head

[dthorne04]

you're right wufwugy, silva's definitely never done anything to ever earn any of the praise or reputation he has.

and chael sonnen wasn't on PEDs. and anderson silva hasn't lost a fight in five years. def a bum though.

i mean, he's falling off a bit due to age probably but it's ridiculous how close minded you are about this

how are you not a gimmick account?

[dthorne04]

for the record, i think belfort's gonna win this fight.

[wufwugy]

He does have some solid wins and attributes. But he got to be the p4p king by out striking Franklin and dancing around BJJ guys? In order to be at the level that everybody says he's at, he has to face tip top guys who match up with him well and who will rely on excellent gameplans. That has only happened to him once in the past several years, it was from Chael, and we saw him not only get wrestle-fucked, but outstruck by somebody he was supposed to dance circles around

My picks will speak for themselves though. Of my last like fifty picks, I've gotten a few wrong, but most have been spot on. I just never posted them

[Donachello]

I'll take Vitor as a 60/40 favorite in this fight tbh.
Jones will dominate.
Griffin wins by rear naked in the second or third.
Torres wins by decision.

[spoonitnow]

He does have some solid wins and attributes. But he got to be the p4p king by out striking Franklin and dancing around BJJ guys? In order to be at the level that everybody says he's at, he has to face tip top guys who match up with him well and who will rely on excellent gameplans. That has only happened to him once in the past several years, it was from Chael, and we saw him not only get wrestle-fucked, but outstruck by somebody he was supposed to dance circles around

My picks will speak for themselves though. Of my last like fifty picks, I've gotten a few wrong, but most have been spot on. I just never posted them

yeah until vitor got kicked in the face

[rong]

Spoon! You just banned me from mirc chat? WTF is that all about? I just needed a bit of support, I'm pretty lost pokerwise rigtht now, feel that I've been kicked for no reason. That's really shit.

[dthorne04]

DEFINITELY OVERRATED

[spoonitnow]

Spoon! You just banned me from mirc chat? WTF is that all about? I just needed a bit of support, I'm pretty lost pokerwise rigtht now, feel that I've been kicked for no reason. That's really shit.

I warned you like 3-4 times to stop bitching, so you got banned for an hour. Also this is totally not the place for it.

[spoonitnow]

Except that it's a fact. We know he's good, but he has done nothing to demonstrate he's as good as everybody thinks. If a game Vitor shows up, yet Silva beats him up at that game, then he'll be about halfway to the point that everybody currently has him. The other thing he'll need to do is show that he can handle an aggressive grappler, which we already know he can't. All the stuff about him handling Chael is retarded, Chael gets triangled by everybody, and I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did

The fact of the matter is that we don't know how good Silva is, but that having him anywhere close to p4p king is silly. But for some reason MMA fans are incapable of looking beyond a strict reading of wins and losses

[rong]

I don't know the place for it! And I didn't realise you warned me. I'm not exactly a reg in the chatroom. But hey thanks for being fucking underdstaning! FU! And if I realised I was being warned I'd of changed my behavior, I just wanted to talk to someone! Thanks for the dam support!

[spoonitnow]

I don't know the place for it! And I didn't realise you warned me. I'm not exactly a reg in the chatroom. But hey thanks for being fucking underdstaning! FU! And if I realised I was being warned I'd of changed my behavior, I just wanted to talk to someone! Thanks for the dam support!

See http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...tc-185558.html

[spoonitnow]

Britney Silva is one of the most overrated assholes in the game. He gets his ass handed to him by Chael in every way, yet because he was able to exploit one specific flaw in Chael's game, everybody forgets how badly he got whooped. Everybody he's fought was tailor made or made huge mistakes. We already saw what a wrestler who sticks to wrestling can do, and now Vitor will show us what a striker can do.

This is going to be the best Vitor we've ever seen, and I can't wait until he sends Britney's skull into orbit and I finally don't have to hear about his pompous faggot ass anymore. Vitor at +230 is crazy good. I will probably cry if Silva wins

[spoonitnow]

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