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09-02-2005, 07:13 AM
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"These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will." -LA Governor Kathleen Blanco
So how about conspiracy theories coming to life before your eyes?
Oil crisis...check
Natural disaster of epic proportions...check
Disproportionately aggressive government military response...check
I'm running away to the canadian wilderness now, gg america gl hf
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You obviously don't understand the full scope of the situation. The ugly under belly of society tends to surface during times like this, and criminals from other areas will migrate towards it as well. With absolutely no police presence in these areas, what should the government do? Swift and aggressive military action is definately the proper course of action.
Looting is occurring non-stop. Armed civilians are roaming the streets with no one to control them. Have you heard the stories of the rapes and other horrible crimes that are occurring? Did you hear about the helicopter evacuation at a hospital that had to be aborted do to sniper fire? These aren't stories from Iraq or Afghanistan. These incidents are happening right here in the US. We like to think that we are so much more civilized than the rest of the world yet in this time of crisis people are reverting to heathenistic behavior. If people are going to act like barbarians then they need to be treated as such.
Local authorities in these areas are telling people to get out because they cannot provide even basic amennities, let alone ensure their safety. The first step in recovering from this crisis is to restore order. The only organization capable of doing this at this point is the military. I'm not trying to be a war monger. It is simply the sad reality of the situation.
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The first step in recovering from this crisis is to restore order. The only organization capable of doing this at this point is the military.
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...check.
*packs up survival gear*
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Anyone else find it ironic that when there is a mass power-outage in New York everyone gets together and sings kumbaya. However, flooding in New Orleans triggers looting and martial law...
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Anyone else find it ironic that when there is a mass power-outage in New York everyone gets together and sings kumbaya. However, flooding in New Orleans triggers looting and martial law...
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what exactly are you saying?
people looted the WTC site after 9/11. i guarantee that if a major natural disaster of this type occured in NYC, the local duane reade would be reduced to empty shelves in a matter of minutes.
hurricane hitting city partly below sea level > blackout
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America
The world's only superpower.
Does the current situation in the south not open you're eyes more to where you should be concentrating your might?
And at times why people believe you should solve your own problems before you go putting your foot in others problems?
I recognise not all of you will support your govt's actions.
But maybe its about time you went back to the poll's and made a stand?
Just the thoughts of a politics student
(and no offence to American's meant)
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And this is the first problem you need to solve.
But of course you protect big buisness etc too much to effectivly do anything about this.
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And this is the first problem you need to solve.
But of course you protect big buisness etc too much to effectivly do anything about this.
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i don't have a problem with armed civilians, but i do have a problem with armed civilians shooting at others for no reason.
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And this is the first problem you need to solve.
But of course you protect big buisness etc too much to effectivly do anything about this.
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You're wrong. This is not a problem.
The founding fathers of our nation had to wage war for freedom against an oppressive gov't.
They wanted to make sure any government in American history could be overthrown if that was what the people wanted.
If you take the weapons away from civilians, then they are at the will of the gov't.
Yes, that may mean they have guns now to loot with, but so be it.
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Anyone else find it ironic that when there is a mass power-outage in New York everyone gets together and sings kumbaya. However, flooding in New Orleans triggers looting and martial law...
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new york isn't sparcely populated without police enforcement when the lights go out.
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The outpouring of international support for the hurricane victims is heartwarming.....Hmm, wait a minute there has been no outpouring of international support for starving and thirsty people....only more criticim that the US government has not done enough....quickly enough.
It just seems that when given the chance to do something useful and compassionate there are those around the world that would rather twist it into an opportunity to push a political agenda....grabbbing the spotlight and trying to focus it on what they feel is "the problem with America"
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The outpouring of international support for the hurricane victims is heartwarming.....Hmm, wait a minute there has been no outpouring of international support for starving and thirsty people....only more criticim that the US government has not done enough....quickly enough.
It just seems that when given the chance to do something useful and compassionate there are those around the world that would rather twist it into an opportunity to push a political agenda....grabbbing the spotlight and trying to focus it on what they feel is "the problem with America"
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the world just got PWNT
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The outpouring of international support for the hurricane victims is heartwarming.....Hmm, wait a minute there has been no outpouring of international support for starving and thirsty people....only more criticim that the US government has not done enough....quickly enough.
It just seems that when given the chance to do something useful and compassionate there are those around the world that would rather twist it into an opportunity to push a political agenda....grabbbing the spotlight and trying to focus it on what they feel is "the problem with America"
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the world just got PWNT
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Perhaps the rest of the world is fed up of America doing as it chooses despite what the consensus might think
(many will say the war in Iraq/ iwould say the blantent dismissal of world environment issues/other such supposedly unimportnat things)
Now that America has been crushed by the forces of nature you expect help/respect/compasion.
The world will treat you as you treat it, whats good for one is good for all so to speak. Don't get me wrong, im a Brit and a supporter of America and what it tries to do more often than not. But maybe now you are beginning to find that you must cooperate with others AT TIMES to make sure others cooperate and give a damn about you.
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I dont understand.
Does America really run over everyone and tell them how to do things or does it just seem that way?
Also World, good call punishing the people of southern America for your grudge against our government. The high road is nice, I bet.
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But maybe now you are beginning to find that you must cooperate with others AT TIMES to make sure others cooperate and give a damn about you.
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Yes, the US solely promotes it's own agenda and never does any humanitarian work or give aid to other nations in their time of need...
On a side note... PokerStars is having charity MTTs similar to the ones they had after the tsunamis. Their called "Katrina Relief - Proceeds to the American Red Cross" and under the Special Tournaments Tab. The buy-ins are $5, $20, $50, and $100 and only one cent of the buy-in is going to the prize pool and the rest to the relief effort. PokerStars is also matching the buy-ins 100%. I'm not trying to plug PokerStars. I just thought it was appropriate for this discussion.
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09-02-2005, 05:14 PM
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its one thing to be trying to steal food and fluids
its quite naother to be stealing shoes
some people deserve to get shot, and to tell u the truth, I really couldnt care less if everyone who stole things they didnt got shot in the face.
yes there is question of "how do u make a dividing line between what people need and wat people dont need?" "why dont u just shot everyone whose taking something regardless of wat it is?" "why dont we just shoot criminals?" blah blah blah
dude people are stealing TVs (get shot)
boxes full of shoes (get shot)
its fucking sad that people take advantage of situations like this and they really desreve to go to hell and die.
As for international support.
Theres at least 10-12 coutnries who are donating money to the relief effort.
One of them being China, who probably doesnt have the best relationship with the US right now. Its not alot, but not EVERYONE hates us. I wouldnt want North Koreas money anyways, not like they have anythign to give away.
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09-02-2005, 05:49 PM
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its one thing to be trying to steal food and fluids
its quite naother to be stealing shoes
some people deserve to get shot, and to tell u the truth, I really couldnt care less if everyone who stole things they didnt got shot in the face.
yes there is question of "how do u make a dividing line between what people need and wat people dont need?" "why dont u just shot everyone whose taking something regardless of wat it is?" "why dont we just shoot criminals?" blah blah blah
dude people are stealing TVs (get shot)
boxes full of shoes (get shot)
its fucking sad that people take advantage of situations like this and they really desreve to go to hell and die.
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thats the dumbest and least thought out response ive ever heard in my life. i cant even find an adequate response for that.
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explain to me why its dumb.
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i liked vqchang's post.
and, i agree with your last part too. The world is generally showing compassion for us, even countries with crackpot leaders (cough france) that we generally aren't buddies with.
what did you think iran was gonna send a card?
http://www.nysun.com/article/19554
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its one thing to be trying to steal food and fluids
its quite naother to be stealing shoes
some people deserve to get shot, and to tell u the truth, I really couldnt care less if everyone who stole things they didnt got shot in the face.
yes there is question of "how do u make a dividing line between what people need and wat people dont need?" "why dont u just shot everyone whose taking something regardless of wat it is?" "why dont we just shoot criminals?" blah blah blah
dude people are stealing TVs (get shot)
boxes full of shoes (get shot)
its fucking sad that people take advantage of situations like this and they really desreve to go to hell and die.
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thats the dumbest and least thought out response ive ever heard in my life. i cant even find an adequate response for that.
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Yeah I think he is talking about something they had on national news and I agree with him. They were talkin about stealin for need and the dude was like I saw a guy walk out with 12 brand new pairs of nike shoes - i dont call that stealin for need - and neither do I -
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Perhaps the rest of the world is fed up of America doing as it chooses despite what the consensus might think
(many will say the war in Iraq/ iwould say the blantent dismissal of world environment issues/other such supposedly unimportnat things)
The world will treat you as you treat it, whats good for one is good for all so to speak. Don't get me wrong, im a Brit and a supporter of America and what it tries to do more often than not. But maybe now you are beginning to find that you must cooperate with others AT TIMES to make sure others cooperate and give a damn about you.
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Private American citizens and private American corporations gave $1.03 Billion for tsunami relief Which was completely independent of the $1 Billion the US governtment gave......unfortunately the US and it's citizens were criticized for not giving or doing enough. The US and Indian/Thailand government do not really get along politically, however the US and it's people have always set aside political differences when it comes to easing human suffering.
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Now that America has been crushed by the forces of nature you expect help/respect/compasion.
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Yes......those people who are wandering the streets and back woods without clothing, food or water have nothing to do with global US policy. If you or anyone around the world advocate punishing them to teach the US government a lesson....well lets just say that is very petty/small thinking.
America will forever be criticized for the bad things it does.....and criticized even more for the good things it does.....but no matter what political party leads this country, one American ideal will alway be at the forefront......Doing something is better than sitting back and doing nothing. The US is not perfect....and we don't always get it right....but we damn sure try to do the right thing, even if it is costly and unpopular.
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Dav! Stop! You're just massacring the World right now! HAVE MERCY!
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shooting somebody just because they looted/robbed is easily the most inhumane course of action possible. what do you gain by killing somebody just because they were a selective opportunist? its stupid and serves absolutely no purpose.
applying capital punishment to crimes like this opens up the door to martial law and would, in fact, regress us as a society.
i cannot believe you wanted an explanation on my point. that was easily the most unthought out idea ive ever seen.
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Walmart said that people taking food and necessities like a clean towel, water, etc. - they have no problem with. They indicated that they have a standing order with police that in a time of need things like that can be taken and "ask" that lists of what was taken can be left for them to account for. They even indicated that common citizens who NEED food, water, clean clothing, etc. could feel free to do so. Yet what was the FIRST and most important thing that Walmart mentioned was happening - PEOPLE STEALING GUNS AND FLAT SCREEN TV's. These same people are the ones who opened fire on police substations with AK-47's and shot at national guard helicopters trying to people from a hospital - some even firing then shouting "you better come get my family". These people need to be killed. People like the ones that carjacked a dude with a busful of handicapped people, beat him, then stole the bus. These people will serve ABSOLUTELY no purpose to society in the wake of a disaster like that.
Lets see..."rescue me now!" and if you dont, im going to blame a cop and shoot at him? Hmmmmm its time for martial law to be declared. Why you ask? In a normal society, if 1000 people needed rescuing and 10 people were threatening violence on the rescuers - causing the rescuers to stop operations due to security, the 1000 would handle the 10 and be done with it. That is NOT happening. Its time for the military....i see no other solution at this point.
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Perhaps the rest of the world is fed up of America doing as it chooses despite what the consensus might think
(many will say the war in Iraq/ iwould say the blantent dismissal of world environment issues/other such supposedly unimportnat things)
The world will treat you as you treat it, whats good for one is good for all so to speak. Don't get me wrong, im a Brit and a supporter of America and what it tries to do more often than not. But maybe now you are beginning to find that you must cooperate with others AT TIMES to make sure others cooperate and give a damn about you.
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Private American citizens and private American corporations gave $1.03 Billion for tsunami relief Which was completely independent of the $1 Billion the US governtment gave......unfortunately the US and it's citizens were criticized for not giving or doing enough. The US and Indian/Thailand government do not really get along politically, however the US and it's people have always set aside political differences when it comes to easing human suffering.
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Now that America has been crushed by the forces of nature you expect help/respect/compasion.
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Yes......those people who are wandering the streets and back woods without clothing, food or water have nothing to do with global US policy. If you or anyone around the world advocate punishing them to teach the US government a lesson....well lets just say that is very petty/small thinking.
America will forever be criticized for the bad things it does.....and criticized even more for the good things it does.....but no matter what political party leads this country, one American ideal will alway be at the forefront......Doing something is better than sitting back and doing nothing. The US is not perfect....and we don't always get it right....but we damn sure try to do the right thing, even if it is costly and unpopular.
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[/quote]thats the dumbest and least thought out response ive ever heard in my life. i cant even find an adequate response for that.
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This is coming from someone that refers to thieves and other criminals as merely "selective opportunists." bwahahahaha... journey075, just quit posting now.
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shooting somebody just because they looted/robbed is easily the most inhumane course of action possible. what do you gain by killing somebody just because they were a selective opportunist? its stupid and serves absolutely no purpose.
applying capital punishment to crimes like this opens up the door to martial law and would, in fact, regress us as a society.
i cannot believe you wanted an explanation on my point. that was easily the most unthought out idea ive ever seen.
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really to tell u the truth, those people are useless and if they all disappeared off the face of the earth then we would all be better off. They are a detriment to society. They are a menace to society. If anyone or anything is regressing our society, it is them.
Its not about being selectively opportunist, its about where and how you are being a selective opportunist. Now obviously we can disagree on certain things. My point of view is just that in this particular situation, if they died, I wouldnt care. Lots of good people died, their lives should have been switched with some of the people who lived.
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yes i understand, killing the bad guys wont bring anyone back.
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I'm willing to believe the Mayor when he says that New Orleans requires martial law right now.
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shooting somebody just because they looted/robbed is easily the most inhumane course of action possible. ....? its stupid and serves absolutely no purpose.
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It is standard operating procedure.
Looting = Shooting
It doesn't appeal to my sense of equity either, but it does serve a purpose -- restoring order.
And, if you are willing to get logical, chew on this bold statement -- all government power hinges on violence and death.
If I don't want to pay a parking ticket, no biggie, right? No cooperation from me? Warrant. Get pulled over, no cooperation from me? Violence. I somehow have the upperhand in the violence? Dead. At some point in the process, the citizen is passive and cooperative, or the citizen will be harmed or dead.
Shooting looters is standard operating procedure worldwide. Not OK, but civil disorder is pretty scary. I have compassion for the destitute victims of the disaster -- I don't think any of them need TV's right now.
Oh, and World? Go to your little employee lounge and bitch about the boss all you like, but when you want a raise or the boss is anywhere near your cubicle, you'll be kissing ass, like always. You forget the weekly paychecks, the Christmas bonus, the days off to take care of your sick kid, the health insurance, and the flowers last time you were laid up. And you know what? The boss expects you to bitch anyway. That's why you're not the boss, World. And it's pretty small of you not to sign the boss's Get Well card. And you wonder why Sadam got fired?[/i]
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People would start looting, killing, raping or whatever in most places where a big disaster happens and people are poor. What do you expect?
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Oh, and World? Go to your little employee lounge and bitch about the boss all you like, but when you want a raise or the boss is anywhere near your cubicle, you'll be kissing ass, like always. You forget the weekly paychecks, the Christmas bonus, the days off to take care of your sick kid, the health insurance, and the flowers last time you were laid up. And you know what? The boss expects you to bitch anyway. That's why you're not the boss, World. And it's pretty small of you not to sign the boss's Get Well card. And you wonder why Sadam got fired?
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Fantastic response! World, the boss has spoken. Now do what we say, just like you ALWAYS do. ROFL!
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EVILPeople would start looting, killing, raping or whatever in most places where a big disaster happens and people are poor. What do you expect?
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EVILPeople would start looting, killing, raping or whatever in most places where a big disaster happens and people are poor. What do you expect?
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Maybe. But times like this bring out the evil in people.
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Maybe. But times like this bring out the evil in people.
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It also brings out the best in people.
It brings out both extremes. People were donating their time and boats, and risking their lives to save others.
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America
The world's only superpower.
Does the current situation in the south not open you're eyes more to where you should be concentrating your might?
And at times why people believe you should solve your own problems before you go putting your foot in others problems?
I recognise not all of you will support your govt's actions.
But maybe its about time you went back to the poll's and made a stand?
Just the thoughts of a politics student
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Because we all know that the military can prevent a hurricane from hitting the US......
We went to the polls in 2004 and the country spoke then (get a refund on the "education")
When all is said and done, we will find out that the govt of Louisiana and New Orleans (democrat, by the way) let the people down. It is the job of the city, county, and state government to protect, evacuate, etc. THEY let the people down. The fed govt's only job is to come in and clean up after the fact - when requested by the state. So do some searching around and find all the photos of all the buses that went unused to get all the people out. Many hundreds of buses - sitting around. Tens of thousands of people could have been evacuated BEFORE the strom hit. Who's job? The Mayor and the Governer.
Oh, and the superpower comment to start this post - whats the point?
We would still kick ass tomorrow if we had to even with the situation in LA - dont doubt it for a second.
Jealous? I think so.
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Greedo017
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Location: wearing the honors of honor and whatnot
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TylerK, now is the time to get on out if you're going.
http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.a...55E954,00.html
But my feeling, is damn straight this is 5 days too late.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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ZenOffsuit
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Don't get me wrong, im a Brit and a supporter of America and what it tries to do more often than not. But maybe now you are beginning to find that you must cooperate with others AT TIMES to make sure others cooperate and give a damn about you.
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Yes you sound like a real supporter of the US....
We cooperate plenty, we send plenty of money, technology and aid all around the world. And we are always lectured on the amount, the timing etc. No one is ever fucking appreciative of it.
This event has become so quickly politiced and used as a vehicle to lecture this country and rip Bush (he caused the hurricane you know), it makes me sick. I just watched a two part special on 9/11 on the National Geographic channel, and after seeing what led to that day and what occured.....I could give a rats ass about what the rest of the world thinks.
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When are you going to write the ultimate johnny_fish strategy manual? I'm tired of seeing your wins and then cleaning my shorts.
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Location: North Carolina
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There's another side to this that hasn't been mentioned: Some able-bodied people intentionally remained behind for the prospect of looting. I know that sounds odd, but there are some very desolate people in New Orleans even when the city is dry and orderly. Every disaster brings out behavior more fitting to outlaws and thus, some of these people have been treated like outlaws.
In a perfect World, everyone would have evacuated the city and the only task would have been to drain the swamp, but there is no perfect scenerio when dealing with mankind and a natural disaster.
Furthermore, in times of crisis, everyone in need wants help immediatey and that just can't happen. Were there things done poorly, you bet. Were there some things done well, yep, that, too. I can't imagine any agency responding to a need as great as the need in New Orleans as fast as the need arose. The sheer magnitude of what it takes to mobilize rescue people, food, clothing, shelter and insure the safety of those involved is incredible.
I don't have the answers, but I do have the good sense to limit my criticism when the task our government was handed bordered on the impossible.
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vqc
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Quick question for everyone.
Do you guys really think that the government responded slower to this disaster becuase the majority of people were black?
If so, what would have been a better timeframe for support?
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Hey, I found a country that may like us!
Kuwait sent us $500 million in oil as a gift as I read on AP news 2 days ago. Kuwaites energy minister said, "the aid gesture was a duty towards a friend by the tiny Gulf Arab state which was liberated in 1991 by a U.S.-led multinational coalition from seven months of Iraqi occupation."
At least one country has appreciated our army on their soil.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9187260/
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TylerK
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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johnnyawe
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When all is said and done, we will find out that the govt of Louisiana and New Orleans (democrat, by the way) let the people down. It is the job of the city, county, and state government to protect, evacuate, etc. THEY let the people down. The fed govt's only job is to come in and clean up after the fact - when requested by the state.
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This is simply untrue. The president declared a state of emergency 2 days before the hurricane hit, which authorized FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts. From the white house's web site:
"The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures"
There is plenty of blame to go around. Your eagerness to somehow absolve all republicans and condemn all democrats is, at best, intellectually dishonest.
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vqc
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Its never the republicans fault!!!!!
I blame it on the...
hm...
rilla, do u want to take the blame for this one?
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Oh, and World? Go to your little employee lounge and bitch about the boss all you like, but when you want a raise or the boss is anywhere near your cubicle, you'll be kissing ass, like always. You forget the weekly paychecks, the Christmas bonus, the days off to take care of your sick kid, the health insurance, and the flowers last time you were laid up. And you know what? The boss expects you to bitch anyway. That's why you're not the boss, World. And it's pretty small of you not to sign the boss's Get Well card. And you wonder why Sadam got fired?
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Is this not a scary attitude for the worlds biggest military might to have? Its kinda like 'We will do wtf we want, when we want to and wtf are you gonna do about it bitch.'
This is exactly the kind of attitude that causes wars and oppression the world over. I'm sure Saddam had the same sort of arrogant attitude when he was in power, leading to the years of pain which the Iraqi people suffered.
This line of thinking serves no purpose except to belittle the rest of the world and inflate your own ego.
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Location: West Yorkshire
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I would just like to offer my condolences to all Americans and any persons involved with the Katrina disaster. I read in the papers and listen on the news about people walking the streets ARMED! shooting, looting, raping and other senseless acts and it sickens me. The greatest problem with American is your outdated constitution. I whole heartedly disagree with the (Fundamental???) right to carry arms to protect yourselfs. Leave the law in the hands of your policemen and national guards let them be the ones with the guns policing the public and helping the public with the cleanup not the public trying to police the police.
Granted Katrina killed alot of people and ruined so many lives but guns carry on killing people and ruining lives in your country everyday get them banned!!
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The strong point in poker is never to lose your temper, either with those you are playing with or, more particularly, with the cards. There is no sympathy in poker. Always keep cool. If you lose your head you will lose all your chips.
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Fnord
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This is simply untrue. The president declared a state of emergency 2 days before the hurricane hit, which authorized FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts.
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BTW, this law effectivly makes FEMA a dictatorship durring the crisis. Gotta give us Americans credit for putting the bickering and committees aside when the shit really hits the fan.
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Granted Katrina killed alot of people and ruined so many lives but guns carry on killing people and ruining lives in your country everyday get them banned!!
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Just a question...
How many people are killed in shootings every year in the USA ?
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