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Shit like this has got to stop. I hope none of you guys lost someone...
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4293081&page=1
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This is the fourth school shooting this week. It's actually the fifth if you count the dude that came in and shot his girlfriend/wife in front of her class.
As a teacher this is pretty fucking scary, there's really no way to stop this.
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George
This is the fourth school shooting this week. It's actually the fifth if you count the dude that came in and shot his girlfriend/wife in front of her class.
As a teacher this is pretty fucking scary, there's really no way to stop this.
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what were the other 3?
yeah i just saw this shit on the news last night. very sad. its like you can just be an average college kid and blam, you get shot dead by some sick psychopath.
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I live only 45 minutes away from NIU have a friend who works there. He said it was out of control panic yesterday.
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...yet people still argue AGAINST gun control.
fucked up place we live in
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Random shootings suck. I fucking hate hearing shit like this. How do we stop it?
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Random shootings suck. I fucking hate hearing shit like this. How do we stop it?
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stop putting in in movies??
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Random shootings suck. I fucking hate hearing shit like this. How do we stop it?
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I saw somebody on TV who seriously said we should give students guns, that way when a shooter comes in, all the students can shoot them first...
I guess in reality though, there isn't much you can do to stop them. They are random, and the shooter usually kills themselves. So there is no deterrent in them being caught (because they are dead), and there isn't a whole lot of warning (at least in some cases).
Best thing you can hope for is either you aren't there or you duck faster than other people.
Oddly it crosses my mind in class sometimes what I would do if somebody came flying through the door shooting.
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...yet people still argue AGAINST gun control.
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yea. but apparently this dude didn't have a criminal record at all and probably would have passed any additional tests or regulations on gun purchases. he was an "award winning" grad student in sociology. who knows what was going through this guy's mind. fuck
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why do they have to shoot the place up, why can't they just make a bomb and blow it up
or poison gas
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It would be nice if there were no guns, but that just seems soooooo Impossible to happen.
I also think to myself just about everywhere I go, what would I do if someone started ...... whatever. I guess its good to be prepared, but I hate feeling paranoid about stupid Random shit happening.
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why do they have to shoot the place up, why can't they just make a bomb and blow it up
or poison gas
guns should be illegal
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hmmmmmm touche. It's going to happen anyway so use something that minimizes damage I guess. What about banning rifles?
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Making guns illegal won't stop people from doing stupid shit like this.
What were the other shootings?
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i think making guns illegal would be retarded. look at the article gabe posted in another thread about an 80 year old dude who shot 2 criminals trying to rob him. if guns were illegal, law abiding citizens such as that guy wouldnt have a gun to protect themselves, and in all likelihood he would be dead or badly wounded.
im sure criminals would love nothing more than to see guns illegalized. it would make their job a hell of a lot easier, and they would have much less resistance, because they would all still have guns!!
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This is the fourth school shooting this week. It's actually the fifth if you count the dude that came in and shot his girlfriend/wife in front of her class.
As a teacher this is pretty fucking scary, there's really no way to stop this.
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yeah i just saw this shit on the news last night. very sad. its like you can just be an average college kid and blam, you get shot dead by some sick psychopath. |
Along with Illinois there were school shootings in Ohio, California, Tennessee, and Louisiana this past week.
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February 15, 2008 02:20pm
THE Illinois university gun rampage that left five people dead today was the fifth school shooting in a week-long wave of violence at US educational facilities.
The shooting at the Northern Illinois University came seven days after a woman teacher was shot and stabbed by her husband at a school in Ohio.
The woman survived while the gunman later killed himself during a stand-off.
On February 8, a woman at a school in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, shot dead two female students in a classroom before turning the gun on herself.
On Monday, a 17-year-old shot a classmate in the leg at a school cafeteria in Memphis before turning himself in. His victim survived.
A day later, a pupil at a school in Oxnard, California was shot in the head by a fellow student. The victim died of his injuries yesterday.
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damn. thats gotta be some sort of record for most school shootings in the span of 7 days.
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I'm not trying to be insensitive but I think that banning guns would just make these PMSing pussies become more dangerous because they'll actually have to plan something and become resourceful instead of sitting around cutting themselves in the dark listening to some emofag band talk about how their life sucks.
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'Rapid-Fire Assault' in Lecture Hall Killed 5, Wounded 16 Other Students
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The shooter fired 54 rounds from the weapons, killing six, including himself, and wounding 16.
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Kazmierczak, dressed in black, was armed with three handguns and a shotgun, as students took cover beneath desks and ran out of the lecture hall. He was later found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, police said.
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You have got to be shitting me. This needle-dick fired 54 shots... and only hit 22 people (including himself in the fucking head). And of course he was dressed in black because emocockmunchers who think they're the fucking Crow do shit like this.
I guarantee you that if you gave my 13 year old brother 54 shots with just a fucking bow and a bowie knife in a crowded fucking lecture hall that he could do better than six kills and 16 wounded. It's so obvious that the problem here isn't guns -- it's stupid motherfuckers who dress in black and paint their toenails with blood taken from their pet rabbit's cunt while it's on the fucking rag.
If we take away guns, then we force these pussies to start getting creative, and that's when the really fucked up shit is going to start happening.
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I'm not trying to be insensitive but I think that banning guns would just make these PMSing pussies become more dangerous because they'll actually have to plan something and become resourceful instead of sitting around cutting themselves in the dark listening to some emofag band talk about how their life sucks.
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You have got to be shitting me. This needle-dick fired 54 shots... and only hit 22 people (including himself in the fucking head). And of course he was dressed in black because emocockmunchers who think they're the fucking Crow do shit like this.
I guarantee you that if you gave my 13 year old brother 54 shots with just a fucking bow and a bowie knife in a crowded fucking lecture hall that he could do better than six kills and 16 wounded. It's so obvious that the problem here isn't guns -- it's stupid motherfuckers who dress in black and paint their toenails with blood taken from their pet rabbit's cunt while it's on the fucking rag.
If we take away guns, then we force these pussies to start getting creative, and that's when the really fucked up shit is going to start happening. |
in spoons fucked up own sort of way he has a point.
While there are huge differences, there are also pretty big parallels when you look at gun control and drug prohibition side by side. Outlawing guns and criminalizing drugs dont really solve any problems. People who want them still get them, and it just creates a seedy black market. I know that I feel strongly that prohibition is beyond retarded, but Im not sure about the gun control issue.
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I wish the human species was more organized in groups during events such as this, like ants. Just imagine, a bank robber runs into a bank and gets jumped by everyone in the bank. Or, a gunman comes into a lecture hall with a shotgun and before two shots are fired the gunman has 6 students on his back.
There would be a hell of a lot less crime.
It'll never be like this until we are programmed differently, but it would be nice to live in a more organized manner.
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Banning guns does nothing to get guns out of criminals/retards hands.
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also what really doesnt help is the media playing these stories to the hilt. i mean ffs the more they run the stories the more other psycho's will get the (right) idea that if they go out and kill a bunch of people their face will be on the news for a month. it inspires all sorts of copy cats.
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and thats not to say that they shouldnt be mentioned, because its a big deal, but they shouldnt run it for weeks and weeks.
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Gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994:
United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.
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the only way "gun control" would work would be if we destroyed EVERY gun in existence. Otherwise I don't believe any type of gun control that would put a reasonable dent in this type of tragedy.
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Gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994:
United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.
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Well, I have read somewhere that guns were definitely banned in these countries. In the others, I'm not sure
These crazy fucks could've gone out and pulled the ol' suicide bomber act too, but they didn't, they simply go and start spraying bullets. Why is this? There is definitely some trend going on.
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the only way "gun control" would work would be if we destroyed EVERY gun in existence. Otherwise I don't believe any type of gun control that would put a reasonable dent in this type of tragedy.
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Gun control won't work. LOL. In U.S., no gun control, 11,000 gun-related deaths / year. In UK, guns are illegal, 50 gun-related deaths/ year.
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Note that the "gun-related deaths" statistic includes suicide. You don't need a gun to kill yourself. If you don't believe that, then consider that despite not having guns, Japan's suicide rate is over 3x that of the United States. Also consider that the US and the UK run similar suicide rates.
Canada gun-ownership rates are similar to that in the United States, yet their gun-related death rates are much lower. The problem is obviously not the guns.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Thought I'd post this since it has some more information that I'll likely come back to make fun of later:
From http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080216/...s/niu_shooting
A former employee at a Chicago psychiatric treatment center said Kazmierczak was placed there after high school by his parents. She said he used to cut himself, and had resisted taking his medications.
He also had a short-lived stint as a prison guard that ended abruptly when he didn't show up for work. He was in the Army for about six months in 2001-02, but he told a friend he'd gotten a psychological discharge.
On Thursday, Kazmierczak, armed with three handguns and a pump-action shotgun, stepped from behind a screen on the lecture hall's stage and opened fire on a geology class.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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I wish the human species was more organized in groups during events such as this, like ants. Just imagine, a bank robber runs into a bank and gets jumped by everyone in the bank. Or, a gunman comes into a lecture hall with a shotgun and before two shots are fired the gunman has 6 students on his back.
There would be a hell of a lot less crime.
It'll never be like this until we stop being fucking selfish retards, but it would be nice to live in a more organized manner.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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...yet people still argue AGAINST gun control.
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Note that the "gun-related deaths" statistic includes suicide. You don't need a gun to kill yourself. If you don't believe that, then consider that despite not having guns, Japan's suicide rate is over 3x that of the United States. Also consider that the US and the UK run similar suicide rates.
Canada gun-ownership rates are similar to that in the United States, yet their gun-related death rates are much lower. The problem is obviously not the guns.
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What does suicide have to do with it? The issue is not whether people need a gun to kill themselves, the issue is why there are so many mass shootings in the U.S.
Canada's gun deaths are more than 3x that of UK, despite having half the population. So yes, part of the problem is the guns.
The other part is the American culture where people say things like 'if everyone had a gun, they could defend themselves from psychopaths like this'. That's like saying give everyone a stick of dynamite because some people own sticks of dynamite. Sorry, but as much as I like the U.S., this kind of thinking is plain fucking retarded.
It may sound crazy, but try this on for size: If no-one had a gun, mass murders would be much less prevalent.
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I wish the human species was more organized in groups during events such as this, like ants. Just imagine, a bank robber runs into a bank and gets jumped by everyone in the bank. Or, a gunman comes into a lecture hall with a shotgun and before two shots are fired the gunman has 6 students on his back.
There would be a hell of a lot less crime.
It'll never be like this until we stop being fucking selfish retards, but it would be nice to live in a more organized manner.
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Note that the "gun-related deaths" statistic includes suicide. You don't need a gun to kill yourself. If you don't believe that, then consider that despite not having guns, Japan's suicide rate is over 3x that of the United States. Also consider that the US and the UK run similar suicide rates.
Canada gun-ownership rates are similar to that in the United States, yet their gun-related death rates are much lower. The problem is obviously not the guns.
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What does suicide have to do with it? The issue is not whether people need a gun to kill themselves, the issue is why there are so many mass shootings in the U.S. |
You totally missed the point so I'll try to explain. The majority of "gun-related deaths" are suicides, so if it says 1 in x people were subject to a gun-related death, you can't directly associate that to 1 in x people were shot by someone else. It's a statistic that's used when things like this happen, but it would be more useful to use statistics regarding the number of violent crimes instead.
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Canada's gun deaths are more than 3x that of UK, despite having half the population. So yes, part of the problem is the guns.
The other part is the American culture where people say things like 'if everyone had a gun, they could defend themselves from psychopaths like this'. That's like saying give everyone a stick of dynamite because some people own sticks of dynamite. Sorry, but as much as I like the U.S., this kind of thinking is plain fucking retarded.
It may sound crazy, but try this on for size: If no-one had a gun, mass murders would be much less prevalent.
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Guns are no more dangerous than knives (and in a lot of instances less dangerous) and knives are a lot easier to get ahold of. There are tons of other weapons that could be used for mass killings that are 50x easier to get than guns and that are much more efficient. These idiots are just too busy feeling sorry for themselves and trying to out-do those Columbine pussies.
I agree that the "if everyone had guns" argument is stupid, and it would have more weight if guns weren't commonly owned here.
Imagine a scenario where guns have not existed yet, but society is otherwise similar to what it is now. Now say some dumbshits at some high school decide to kill a bunch of people with some widget that they find or make in their bedroom and they succeed, killing a dozen or so people. Over the next few years, more losers decide to take similar widgets and do similar mass killings. At that point are we trying to ban the widget?
Banning the widget will do nothing because there are hundreds of other widgets that can be used to kill groups of people, and much more efficiently than guns can. The problem isn't the widget, it's the people and the circumstances.
Any argument of wanting to ban guns has about as much merit as wanting to ban McDonald's food because it probably will be responsible for a similar number of deaths.
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Rule # 1: don't ask questions
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spoonitnow
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Guns were around long before these types of mass killings.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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flomo
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don't let them ban guns
next they will want to ban porn
dominoooooeess motherfuckers
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DrivingDog
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Guns are no more dangerous than knives (and in a lot of instances less dangerous)
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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Guns are no more dangerous than knives (and in a lot of instances less dangerous)
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
I'm sure that this is a comment born of ignorance so I will disregard it.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Jack Sawyer
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Guns are no more dangerous than knives (and in a lot of instances less dangerous)
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
I'm sure that this is a comment born of ignorance so I will disregard it. |
Enlighten us, please.
How is it that guns are no more dangerous than knives (and in a lot of instances less dangerous) ?
I'm curious as to your logic behind this statement
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My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...
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VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
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Hey, I'm in a movie!
http://youtu.be/lGdnIrRKDTI
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jyms
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Because the gun is not the problem, it's the person. Just because the gun makes it easier, doesn't mean it won't happen. We need to deal with the problem. You don't think that if they didn't have guns they couldn't make bombs. I can find 50 sites on the net in 5 minutes that will tell me how to make one. Guns are easier, but it will still come down to convenience. They want to do this and will.
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Jack Sawyer
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Because the gun is not the problem, it's the person. Just because the gun makes it easier, doesn't mean it won't happen. We need to deal with the problem. You don't think that if they didn't have guns they couldn't make bombs. I can find 50 sites on the net in 5 minutes that will tell me how to make one. Guns are easier, but it will still come down to convenience. They want to do this and will.
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Is it not supposed to be made more difficult in order to reduce the occurences of it?
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My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...
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VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
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Hey, I'm in a movie!
http://youtu.be/lGdnIrRKDTI
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vqc
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the only way "gun control" would work would be if we destroyed EVERY gun in existence. Otherwise I don't believe any type of gun control that would put a reasonable dent in this type of tragedy.
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Gun control won't work. LOL. In U.S., no gun control, 11,000 gun-related deaths / year. In UK, guns are illegal, 50 gun-related deaths/ year.
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Dear Driving Dog,
First, just the fact that you aren't stating your facts in terms of per capita makes it so that you shouldn't be acting high and might. Second, even conceding the fact that the per capita numbers are lower, please do not be so quick to jump to conclusions; note the differences in culture, education, etc etc etc. I'm sure that if we replaced every American in the US with a Brit, the gun related deaths would also be lower, but we aren't British and we don't grow up British. Things are different here, it isn't always just about what the law is.
-Sincerely, vqc
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Uhhh what? Are you seriously saying that it is easier for someone to kill dozens of people with a knife than with a gun?
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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vqc
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i think he was trying to make the point that guns dont kill people, people kill people.
Guns are clearly more efficient at killing people than pretty much anything else (stones, knives, spears, etc., NOT bombs).
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shazbox
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You dont necessarily have to ban guns altogether. But really, who NEEDS 4 guns? If he only had one gun he would have been a lot less efficient.
Although, then he may just take his time and aim.
Either way you are going to stop things like this from happening, because as everybody else says, there are lots of other ways to do things like this.
People should just keep on taking their medication and not go crazy...problem solved
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will641
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Guns are no more dangerous than knives (and in a lot of instances less dangerous)
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
I'm sure that this is a comment born of ignorance so I will disregard it. |
Enlighten us, please.
How is it that guns are no more dangerous than knives (and in a lot of instances less dangerous) ?
I'm curious as to your logic behind this statement |
guns are more dangerous than knives ldo. obviously they are since they have long range.
heres an example of why non-psyco's people carrying guns is a good thing. not too long ago there was this guy in california who went into a church and killed a few people. then later he went into another church and was planning another massacre, but fortunately this lady had a gun on her, and shot him dead. he was heavily armed. if more people carried guns around, it would discourage it.
also, said it before and ill say it again. the media doesnt help the situation either.
a really funny bumper sticker ive seen says, "An armed society is a polite society."
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