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It's only 5 minutes and I've forgotten how annoying Charles Barkley sounds.
Celtics v Cavs should be an interesting game as I pretty much hate both teams equally.
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10-29-2008, 06:15 AM
Post subject: Re: NBA SEASON!
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It's only 5 minutes and I've forgotten how annoying Charles Barkley sounds.
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Charles Barkley for governor!
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God I love Pop, calling the hack a shaq 5 seconds into the season just to let the big man know who the man really is.
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God I love Pop, calling the hack a shaq 5 seconds into the season just to let the big man know who the man really is.
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meh missed Ginobili big time down the stretch plus we're going to have to find someone to guard the four b/c Timmy cannot handle two people and the toughest teams in the West all have 2 good big men.
PHO-shaq/amare
NO-West/Chandler
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Well, I'm ready to embark on another season full of disappointment heart ache and a strong urge to revert to the good ol' days. At least a lot of my teams games won't be televised.
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Twin Towers R back in da T dot now all we gotta do is avoid radical Islam
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lets go rapssss
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meh missed Ginobili big time down the stretch plus we're going to have to find someone to guard the four b/c Timmy cannot handle two people and the toughest teams in the West all have 2 good big men.
PHO-shaq/amare
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ROFL at Phoenix being one of the toughest teams in the West. Utah and Houston seem clearly better.
Pacers looked pretty good tonight, I liked what I saw. I might even have to consider changing my avatar.
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Phoenix is a dangerous team, maybe not "tough" but they win a bunch of games and probably sneak-in and grab homecourt in the first round of the playoffs.
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Phoenix is a dangerous team, maybe not "tough" but they win a bunch of games and probably sneak-in and grab homecourt in the first round of the playoffs.
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Phoenix won't be better than 7th in the West.
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please, PHO is the king of winning in the regular season. You cannot assume the Rockets are going to stay healthy, the Mavs aren't any better, the Spurs give up too many games and I'm not sold on the Jazz being all that great this year.
That leaves NO and LA as the two favorites, SA/DAL/PHO/UTA/HOU/POR/GS/DEN as the other teams fighting for playoff position. We know that Utah underachieves, GS doesn't play defense, POR is young, Houston is injury-prone, and the Spurs couldn't care until February.
I say Suns finish in the top 4 in the West, I'd be willing to book some action on it too.
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Suns over/under with home court birth in the playoffs (4th/5th)
I say $100 on the under
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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ban for liking charles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s50K65PNeBU
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lol hilarious i like him even more now thanks!
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Spenda,
You are underrating Houston. They won a ton of games last year even without Yao, and Artest has always killed it when he's on his honeymoon with a new team. They have ridiculous depth too. This team has a better chance of winning the title than anyone except LA and Boston IMO. Obviously injuries are an issue and they could easily go down in the first round again.
Utah, Dallas and San Antonio, I kinda agree these teams aren't that great, but I don't see Phoenix as any better than them. Phoenix has no depth anymore, all they have is one incredible player, one pretty good player who's past his prime, a good role player (Barbosa) and a bunch of guys who are average at best.
When do you think Pop is finally going to pull the plug on Bruce Bowen? He was so awesome a few years ago, but he's done and he's just dragging the Spurs down now. He's not even that good at defense anymore.
Edit: I don't really like to make prop bets that take 6 months to figure out who wins, let's just trash talk each other a lot.
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I say Suns finish in the top 4 in the West, I'd be willing to book some action on it too.
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HELLOOOOOO ?!?!
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Phoenix has no depth anymore, all they have is one incredible player, one pretty good player who's past his prime, a good role player (Barbosa) and a bunch of guys who are average at best.
When do you think Pop is finally going to pull the plug on Bruce Bowen? He was so awesome a few years ago, but he's done and he's just dragging the Spurs down now. He's not even that good at defense anymore.
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so you're saying Amare is the incredibly good player, Nash is past his prime, and Shaq is a role player (who just put up like 15 and 15 on the Spurs) or did you forget about Amare? Also, they picked up Matt Barnes, who is like the prototypical wing man for the team and has the perfect body for defense (not that he learned any of it in GS mind you).
Bowen looked bad if you watched the game, he had two fast break lay-up opportunities with only Steve Nash back on D and he pulled both of them back and the Spurs went empty of the possessions. Mason is supposed to inject some youth into the team but I'm not sure if he can play D yet. Basically we just need to tread water, beat the teams we're supposed to beat, and wait for Manu to get back. However, saying Bruce is not even good at defense anymore is way off, he's still one of the top on and off the ball defenders in the league.
The Rockets always disappoint, so I'm just waiting for them to do that again this year.
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so you're saying Amare is the incredibly good player, Nash is past his prime, Barbosa is the role player, and Shaq is average at best.
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GO ROCKETS!
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Bowen looked bad if you watched the game, he had two fast break lay-up opportunities with only Steve Nash back on D and he pulled both of them back and the Spurs went empty of the possessions. Mason is supposed to inject some youth into the team but I'm not sure if he can play D yet. Basically we just need to tread water, beat the teams we're supposed to beat, and wait for Manu to get back. However, saying Bruce is not even good at defense anymore is way off, he's still one of the top on and off the ball defenders in the league.
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He really isn't though. I wish the NBA kept better defensive stats, because without them anyone who plays hard and fights through screens is considered to be a good defender, even if they have no talent anymore.
I looked up Bowen on 82games.com, which is the site that keeps a lot of weird stats. I don't know how accurate they all are but it's fun to look up a player on there just to see if their stats go along with what you notice from watching games.
http://www.82games.com/0708/0708SAS.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0708/07SAS12C.HTM
The first page says Bowen was the worst player in the Spurs rotation last year, tied with Jacque Vaughn, in terms of how the team did when he was on the court vs. when he wasn't. FWIW those same +/- stats from a few years ago show Bowen as a very effective player for the Spurs.
The second page shows how other teams' SFs did while Bowen was in the game. Because I have no life and like to waste time proving a point, I looked up the same stats for the other 29 teams' SF and Bowen rated 18th out of 30. Again, I realize these stats are flawed because defense depends on the whole team, but the Spurs have excellent team defense, and if SFs are doing well against them anyway, it should mean that Bowen isn't playing very good man defense, right? And again, those same stats from a few years ago show that Bowen used to be an elite defender.
I don't know, I just don't think he can stay in front of guys the way he used to and the sooner the Spurs find someone to replace him, the better.
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he's getting older, the game is getting faster, people get amped up to play against him, etc...
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spenda - r u avoiding our bet?
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Jacque Vaughn was such a bad ass player @ Kansas
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I'm starting to think I was overestimating the Suns this year
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no I was just trying to figure out if I deserve a price or not, which I think I do, like 3:2, it seems a lot of columnists/analysts are picking the suns are 6-8 seeds, which means they are def. a dog to be in the top 4. Also, if we were to bet I would want the wager to be top 4 record, not top 4 seeds.
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If you want to use Vegas as a tool to determine a proper price on your bet, I'll just wager with Vegas.
I will bet you $50-$100 that Phoenix will not finish with a top 4 record in the West, straight up.
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That's a kind of a bitch move Drew. People should be allowed to think a team is overrated or underrated without having someone challenge them to a bet and then angle shoot for odds. All of the sports bets that go down on this board are at Vegas odds minus the vig.
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Wow the Suns looked absolutely atrocious tonight.
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shhh!
any fan of the NBA could have seen this coming...
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I BELIEVE IN A GOD!
AND HE IS CALLED STEVE NASH!
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shhh!
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you mean back-to-back games against two of the best teams in the league, the 2nd of which is against a younger, more athletic team AFTER a big emotional win?
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Great trade today by the Pistons. Chauncey was under contract for four more years and there were signs that his body was breaking down. This gets rid of his contract and allows them to go after Boozer if he opts out next year and Lebron/Wade/Bosh in 2010.
As for this year, they are basically freerolling.
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we talkin' about practice man!
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I was just thinking about this trade.. I think it definitely makes Detroit tougher.
But why now? Why so early in the season? Why not in the off-season?
The only thing that makes sense is something happened behind the scenes with one of the players, and my money would be on A.I.. What other possible explanation could there be?
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Completely disagree. Billups was great defender and distributor. Detroit will be solid, and fun to watch in the regular season, but will get rolled in the playoffs. Doesn't matter because they weren't making it to the finals with Billups anyway.
Great review, IMO
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I think changes Detroit from a clear 2nd best in the East to perhaps 4th or 5th. This team was tied 2-2 in the ECF last year, and played two very competitive games in 5 and 6, the notion that they had no shot at a championship is mind-boggling to me.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chaunc...eer_stats.html
http://www.82games.com/0708/0708DET.HTM
Where's the evidence that Billups was breaking down. I think he's at the very worst, one of the top 25 players in the league still.
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Again, I don't understand how people can say this after they came so close to the Finals the past two years and were basically the same team. They weren't the favorites, but they definitely had at least a 10-15% shot at the Finals and that's not something to just throw away IMO.
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