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Maybe Will has opinions on gays he'd like to share with the group.
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i cannot stand agy people in any way.
I will make a joke at their expense, yet i have never discriminated against them in any way, shape or form nor would i ever.
Am i wrong to not like someone because of this?
I think you'd have difficulty saying i am either right or wrong, i just dont like what they stand for.
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If will had just said "I hate blacks" I can disagree with him but there's no argument to be had. When he says that racial attacks shouldn't be criminalised, then yes, there's an argument to be had.
Oh, and making jokes at their expense IS discrimination, Miffy, maybe not the worst but it's a textbook example.
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Actually, nice worm-can-opening, fella:
I don't think gay people "stand for" getting off with same-gendered people, they just do it because that's what they want to do. It's not a political statement, they're not trying to convert you (well, I dunno, you might be particularly delicious). So perhaps you phrased it badly?
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If will had just said "I hate blacks" I can disagree with him but there's no argument to be had. When he says that racial attacks shouldn't be criminalised, then yes, there's an argument to be had.
Oh, and making jokes at their expense IS discrimination, Miffy, maybe not the worst but it's a textbook example.
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i work with people of indian origin and would promot e any of them in a moment if i thought they were capable of being a manager in the environment i work in.
But id still laugh at a 'corner shop' joke. WIll suggests there is a difference, as did that fat racist comic (bernard manning? although he was a racist) so if you laugh at a joke that has racist conotations eg spoon joke about a black kid being a bat does that make you racist?
or is that just the same as laughing at a joke about the french having never defended paris?
At which piont can you joke about the colour/creed/race of somebody without it being a direct slur on their type? OR is that not possible...?
is joking about a fan of a crap football club not exactly the same as racism?
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Wow this is the best thread we've had in awhile.
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Actually, nice worm-can-opening, fella:
I don't think gay people "stand for" getting off with same-gendered people, they just do it because that's what they want to do. It's not a political statement, they're not trying to convert you (well, I dunno, you might be particularly delicious). So perhaps you phrased it badly?
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i think you see what im trying to say. i dont dislike somebody because they are something, no matter what that is gay/black/pink/alien/smoker etc, but because i accept that they are something, does not mean i agree with what they are and that they are allowed to exist as what they are ( i think this sorta makes more sense?)
eg i would promote a gay person in the workplace to a more significant role, but i would vote against them being allowed to marry/to have the right to adopt children.
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i find it kind of funny/ ironic that miffed's avatar is a gay one. I'm not calling you a hypocrite or anything its just really funny
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i find it kind of funny/ ironic that miffed's avatar is a gay one. I'm not calling you a hypocrite or anything its just really funny
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agreed.
ironically enough, lesbianism totally doesnt do it for me. the avatar is to annoy the crap outta my g/f every time she shes me online 
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that they are allowed to exist as what they are
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What are you saying here? It comes off as I think all gay people should die but I assume this is far from the case...
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i am just really curious if biondino is a 9/11 conspiracy believer?
should we start another thread on 9/11?
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I think he's saying that gay sex is essentially a fetish that has become quite popular and turned into a culture, and that society is catering to that culture when it really shouldn't have to, because there is nothing particularly special about having a sexual fetish. No one really gives special treatment to people with shoe fetishes, or cross dressers, or people who like to get whipped or tied up.
Which is kind of a fair point.
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i am just really curious if biondino is a 9/11 conspiracy believer?
should we start another thread on 9/11?
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For fucks sake dude, get off the 9/11 conspiracy shit.
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i am just really curious if biondino is a 9/11 conspiracy believer?
should we start another thread on 9/11?
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For fucks sake dude, get off the 9/11 conspiracy shit. |
I'm sorry but it is a very good scale I use if I am going to listen to their POV, because anybody who believes the 9/11 conspiracy is an idiot.
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i dont dislike somebody because they are something, no matter what that is gay/black/pink/alien/smoker etc,
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i am just really curious if biondino is a 9/11 conspiracy believer?
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For fucks sake dude, get off the 9/11 conspiracy shit. |
I'm sorry but it is a very good scale I use if I am going to listen to their POV, because anybody who believes the 9/11 conspiracy is an idiot. |
Anyone who goes around asking if people believe in 9/11 conspiracies in order to gauge their worth in arguing about racism is a fucking idiot.
I believe will641 is a prime example of why FTR needs an "ignore all posts by User" function.
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i think you are taking me too seriously by that comment
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I'm fully aware you're just trolling.
Even more of a reason to add an "ignore all posts by user" option.
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Will, no, I don't have any interest in conspiracy theories about 9/11. I'm a leftie, not a nutjob
It's absolutely possible to make racist, sexist etc. jokes that are funny. They may be any number of other things, but if they work as jokes, then they're funny, period - and the shock factor often (usually?) makes them funnier.
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Will, no, I don't have any interest in conspiracy theories about 9/11. I'm a leftie, not a nutjob
It's absolutely possible to make racist, sexist etc. jokes that are funny. They may be any number of other things, but if they work as jokes, then they're funny, period - and the shock factor often (usually?) makes them funnier. |
well at least we can agree on that.
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that they are allowed to exist as what they are
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What are you saying here? It comes off as I think all gay people should die but I assume this is far from the case... |
rather the opposite. Do i think gays are humans with (relativly) the same rights? yes sure.
Do i agree with gay 'rights' like adopting children. No
Would i help shoot gays if gay bashing were legal? Id find it difficult to act, i dont agree with the unjust killing of any person, but i also dont like 'gayness' (you know what i mean dont twist it.
Its like when the US invaded IRq. Was it right? No, becasue no countrys soverignty should be broken by another. BUT, did it need to be done, yes.
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Its like when the US invaded IRq. Was it right? No, becasue no countrys soverignty should be broken by another. BUT, did it need to be done, yes.
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Why invading a defenseless country with an asshole good-for-nothing dictator at the helm "needed to be done"?
To this day, the haven't found shit. Or does the US Army operate like Minority Report?
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Its like when the US invaded IRq. Was it right? No, becasue no countrys soverignty should be broken by another. BUT, did it need to be done, yes.
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Why invading a defenseless country with an asshole good-for-nothing dictator at the helm "needed to be done"?
To this day, the haven't found shit. Or does the US Army operate like Minority Report? |
saddam admitted that after the sanction was over he was planning to resume nuclear projects.
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Are you saying shooting gays needs to be done, Miffed? Are you saying there's any justification for doing so? I'd STRONGLY advise you to back out at this point because you're getting to a very disturbing point in your bigotry.
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that they are allowed to exist as what they are
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What are you saying here? It comes off as I think all gay people should die but I assume this is far from the case... |
rather the opposite. Do i think gays are humans with (relativly) the same rights? yes sure.
Do i agree with gay 'rights' like adopting children. No |
Why not?
What should be the requirement of being able to adopt children? IQ > 110? Wealth? Participation in an institutional marriage? A stable life? No criminal record? University education? Heterosexuality?
Should I be allowed to adopt a child? I think I have a lot of love to give (no not in that way), and I'm wealthy, intelligent, university educated, and criminal-record-free. Would it change if I was gay?
How about gay 'rights' like being able to drive? At what point, does a right change from a "relatively the same" [basic] human right like that to vote, and to get career opportunity to a right that ought to be denied to gays (of which you've mentioned marriage and adoption)?
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if i may try to take a stab at miffeds inner thoughts. I think he doesnt think they ought to be shot, i think he just wouldnt lose sleep over it if they were.
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I think he's saying that gay sex is essentially a fetish that has become quite popular and turned into a culture, and that society is catering to that culture when it really shouldn't have to, because there is nothing particularly special about having a sexual fetish. No one really gives special treatment to people with shoe fetishes, or cross dressers, or people who like to get whipped or tied up.
Which is kind of a fair point.
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I partially agree. I'm willing to say that gay sex is a fetish under my definition of a fetish, and I see nothing wrong with fetishes.
However, nobody in society really cares that much whether I "like to abuse [them]", or "like to be abused".
But society doesn't deny the right to get married, or to receive the government benefits of being married, or to adopt children, or to get IVF treatment, etc etc to people with shoe fetishes. Someone who's into BDSM is much better able to hide their fetish and get an adoption approved than a gay couple. I mean it's not something they can exactly hide easily [I'm not one of those who can easily hide... (Your Song, Elton John)].
So that brings us full circle. Society gives gays special treatment, that they don't gove to other harmless sexual paraphilias. The bad kind. Society is able to do it because gayness is a lot more conspicuous than having a shoe fetish or a costume/roleplay fetish. I mean, not many people know what kind of stuff I'm into or want to try once at some point, but they'd all know if I'm gay. Society is encouraged to mete out special negative treatment to gays by those who think the Bible prohibits gayness (but it doesn't say anything about shoe fetishes).
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So can a homosexual, who is sexually attracted to the same sex, and not turned on by the opposite sex call heterosexual sex a fetish?
Note: I only read Salsa's post, so if this has been covered feel free to ignore me.
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To me, no.
It's incredibly difficult to define fetish but I'll try. I think it's a sexual attraction to an activity or an aspect of one's sexual partner that is either totally irrelevant, or counter-productive to our genetic wiring of wanting to continue our gene line.
Now that sounds incredibly complicated. What I'm saying is that being attracted to the opposite sex isn't a fetish cos it's what our Darwinian genes are wired to do. Attraction to nice feminine breasts etc. is not a fetish because we're genetically wired to be attracted to characteristics that suggest the partner is going to be fertile and feminine. But if the attraction extends to completely oversized breasts to the point where it's dangerous to health, then the opposite argument applies (our partner is now anything but "healthy" or well placed to continue our gene line).
Atraction to amputees is a fetish cos it's the opposite case. Same with homosexuality: it's entirely contrary to our genetic disposition widen our gene pool. Incest as well given what we know now about the eugenic concerns. Something like roleplay/costuming or BDSM or shoe fetishism is entirely irrelevant.
It's probably a flawed definition cos I haven't thought seriously about how to define a fetish, but there you go.
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# A sexual fixation on a concept, object, or body part. A person with a fetish feels a compulsive need to use the object in order to obtain sexual gratification, and cannot achieve pleasure without it. ...
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i dont understand how gay sex is a fetish but heterosexual sex isnt? a fetish is a fixation on something. i dont see how one draws that conclusion. anyone care to elaborate?
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Oh, and making jokes at their expense IS discrimination, Miffy, maybe not the worst but it's a textbook example.
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i make jokes about gays, blacks, rednecks, hippies, preppy white people, rich people, poor people, democrats, republicans, women, etc. i am atleast 2 of these, some would argue more. Does that make me racist/sexist/intollerant?
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i dont understand how gay sex is a fetish but heterosexual sex isnt? a fetish is a fixation on something. i dont see how one draws that conclusion. anyone care to elaborate?
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i dont understand how gay sex is a fetish but heterosexual sex isnt? a fetish is a fixation on something. i dont see how one draws that conclusion. anyone care to elaborate?
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well then heterosexual sex is as much a fetish as homosexual sex under your definition. Is that the intent?
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I split it from the other garbage thread cos we clearly segued from hate crime to a debate on homosexuality and the definition of a sexual fetish
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wow that is amazing, i was trying to find a good gay joke and besides the one liners like, the rest were really crappy:
What's the definition of dried fruit?
A fag with a vasectomy.
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come on you can do better than that. do some research and gimme a better gay joke
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I think you'd have difficulty saying i am either right or wrong, i just dont like what they stand for.
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come on you can do better than that. do some research and gimme a better gay joke
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Only half the congregation kneels to pray!
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How do you know when you're in a gay church?
Only half the congregation kneels to pray!
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A significant improvement!
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For real though... my last comment sucked. My take on the subject is personally I don't care about what people do in their private time. Sexual preference does not change a person from being a person. Discrimination is not right. Miffed's comment about not caring if they were killed for being gay kind of disturbed me. There is no way I would support killing anyone for their sexual preference.
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gays disgust me imo
homosexuality is deviant and immoral imo
homos shouldn't be allowed to get married imo
but aside from that, gays should be afforded all the rights that a heterosexual is given imo, eventually they should be allowed to serve in the military while openly admitting they're gay
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by biondino
Are you saying shooting gays needs to be done, Miffed? Are you saying there's any justification for doing so? I'd STRONGLY advise you to back out at this point because you're getting to a very disturbing point in your bigotry.
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quite the opposite. I belive people of any race, religion or sexual orinetation should be allowed to live life in the way that suits them and should not be discriminated against in any way.
However, in being giving the equal freedoms they deserve i also feel that sometimes they cannot have every single right that someone else does as i keep using as an example, the ability to adopt or bring up children in the case of homosexuals.
If gay bashing were legal i wouldnt ever join in, never ever, the same way i wouldnt openly racially abuse any person of a different colour than me.
but as biondino says, we are all racist to some degree when we laugh at a joke about someone elses colour.
But i laugh at this joke because its comedy related to what someone is, not because its comedy at a black/chinese/asians expense.
Can you see the difference?
Edit: has anyone seen the southpark episode where they have a flag and its a blackstick man who is hanging and not the white one and the kids dont get they are being racist? this expalains sort of what im trying to say)
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will641
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just out of curiosity miffed, does S & M sex disgust you?
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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zook
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4-of-a-Kind
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Why all the hate? FTR needs more love. I'm gonna pm chard...
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Jimmy Mac
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Full House
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