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In my previous job, it would have been my job to defend these guards.
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Did you ever outright refuse cases because of your thoughts on the individual and the actions they took? Like if you felt these guards actually did what they are charged with, would you still defend them to the best of your ability, or what? And if so, does it not make you kinda feel shitty? Knowing you are trying to keep people that deserve to be behind bars out? Just never could wrap my head around being a defense lawyer and working for people you felt (or knew) were guilty.
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My prior job was working for the state in civil actions - that means I was defending the state from people who were suing it or its employees for money damages. So no, I couldn't refuse to take cases. But even if I could have, I wouldn't have.
Most of defense law isn't about getting "guilty" people off scottfree. It's much more about defending your client's rights and ensuring that our system of justice works well for everyone. In a criminal case that means that you make sure that the state attorney can prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. If they can, then the "guilty" person is rarely going to get off. If the state can't prove that burden then that person should not be criminally punished.
Even in this case, it is pretty obvious that both sides of the story aren't being portrayed. The guy who got pepper sprayed was very likely going absolutely ape-shit. Controlling someone who is going absolutely ape-shit is not a real easy job. My job as a defense lawyer, if there was a viable defense, would be to make sure that the jury got to understand the whole story and not just the side saying "look they killed an innocent person!"
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I rarely, if ever, would not go ape shit if I was strapped down, gagged, and tortured
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chardrian
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I rarely,if ever, get pms
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I rarely, if ever, would get strapped down, gagged, and pepper sprayed unless I went absolutely ape-shit.
I get that these guards very likely went too far. I also get that these guards very likely were dealing with a guy who was spazzing out, trying to kick, hit, bite, claw, pull hair, spit and possibly trying to throw feces or urine at them as well. Shit like this isn't black or white, it is almost always a very murky grey.
One of my faults according to my wife is that I am way too quick to try and look at every situation from both sides. Then again it's also why I rarely, if ever, get pms.
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Your explanation of the morality of defense law was fantastic
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I rarely,if ever, get pms
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I also would have absolutely no qualms in taking Ms. Christie's case and suing everyone involved.
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Originally Posted by chardrian
One of my faults according to my wife is that I am way too quick to try and look at every situation from both sides.
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I think I do this a lot more than the average person too. I'm not so sure it is a fault, although others certainly view it as one.
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Nation with black President celebrates MLK day amid war and persistent social and economic equality.
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One of my faults according to my wife is that I am way too quick to try and look at every situation from both sides.
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How could this be considered a fault?
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
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How could this be considered a fault?
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I'm pretty sure that conviction, similar to faith, is taught as a virtue in all the major world religions I can think of, and at the very least it is certainly the case for the Abrahamic ones.
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Originally Posted by chardrian
One of my faults according to my wife is that I am way too quick to try and look at every situation from both sides. Then again it's also why I rarely, if ever, get pms.
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I was discussing something similar with my girlfriend the other day, about how differently we react for example to the same newspaper article. If it's about a heinous crime of some sort, her first reaction is empathising with the victims and their family whereas my I start immediately trying to work out in my head what kind of social circumstances lead people to perpetrate such crimes - basically analyzing the situation rather than somehow feeling strongly one way or another. Which usually leads to her getting frustrated after not being able to get me to express how I feel about shit, as opposed to what I think.
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I'm the same. I usually get heat about it when the wife is complaining about something and I can't keep my mouth shut about seeing the other side of the issue when I should clearly "be on her side"
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I'm the same. I usually get heat about it when the wife is complaining about something and I can't keep my mouth shut about seeing the other side of the issue when I should clearly "be on her side"
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I'd +1 this post, but then I'd be taking a side, and I sometimes get in trouble for not seeing both sides of an issue.
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People in general have very peculiar ideas about vices and virtues. One of my favorites is having principles. "This is how I'm going to feel about this issue no matter the circumstances, so I don't have to do any thinking." Great.
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"Honesty is for the most part less profitable than dishonesty."
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People in general have very peculiar ideas about vices and virtues. One of my favorites is having principles. "This is how I'm going to feel about this issue no matter the circumstances, so I don't have to do any thinking." Great.
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Sadly, describes me to a T... until I start getting interested in an issue... or until Wuf beats me up about it enough on here to make me rethink it.
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Originally Posted by CoccoBill
People in general have very peculiar ideas about vices and virtues. One of my favorites is having principles. "This is how I'm going to feel about this issue no matter the circumstances, so I don't have to do any thinking." Great.
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ha, the one word response, "Great." is so perfect here. It's like a religious discussion that ends up with a person backing into "well, you see, for me it's a matter of faith." They have just shown that they are incapable of carrying on a rational debate. Therefore, "Great."
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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Originally Posted by CoccoBill
People in general have very peculiar ideas about vices and virtues. One of my favorites is having principles. "This is how I'm going to feel about this issue no matter the circumstances, so I don't have to do any thinking." Great.
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soooooo good.
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My principles align to adorable kittens with captions
At first I was like YAY SOPA LET'S STOP ALL DA DOWNLOADIN
But then...
DEATH TO SOPA I WILL BURN DIS MOTHA DOWN
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Originally Posted by Hawk
I'm the same. I usually get heat about it when the wife is complaining about something and I can't keep my mouth shut about seeing the other side of the issue when I should clearly "be on her side"
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+1 This is something rational people (aka men) do.
Telling the woman anything at all positive about the other side makes her think you are against her 100%. Even if it's something small like "have you considered that they thought...".
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
+1 This is something rational people (aka men) do.
Telling the woman anything at all positive about the other side makes her think you are against her 100%. Even if it's something small like "have you considered that they thought...".
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Let's not be sexist here. What you're describing only applies to a distinct subcategory of women, namely the crazy bitches. They're no more than 80% of all women, tops.
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"Honesty is for the most part less profitable than dishonesty."
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As much as i adore sexism, the gender differences being described have more to do with a certain emotional aspect of discourse that women have in a different way than men. Even the most closed-minded woman will open up her logic if you make her feel like you understand and respect her opinion. This is the same with men but when we communicate with each other, we naturally exude those implications without thinking about it
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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My principles align to adorable kittens with captions
At first I was like YAY SOPA LET'S STOP ALL DA DOWNLOADIN
But then...
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SOPA/PIPA game is just about playing it out, apparently. While SOPA and PIPA die, the next one up simply can not fail. H.R. 1981: Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011 (GovTrack.us)
The Protect Children from Internet Pornographers Act.
Put all the SOPA you want in there, no one is going to try and out maneuver a bill to protect the children from child pornographers.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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I guess this really isn't the right thread for SOPA/PIPA stuff, I just saw bigred's post.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Something is deeply flawed with our government, when simply giving a proposed law an inflammatory name will get it to pass, no matter what is in the wording of the actual law. It seems that we live in the era of the Patriot Act.
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They could pass anything if they called it "The Apple Pie Act"
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"This bill will allow them to pierce the nipples of any citizen's first born, and hang them from the nearest lamp post via said piercings!"
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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Let's not be sexist here. What you're describing only applies to a distinct subcategory of women, namely the crazy bitches. They're no more than 80% of all women, tops.
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i think it's more about what she is trying to accomplish. sometimes a woman just wants to rant and rave about someone/thing/whatever and doesn't want any advice or alternative perspective. she just wants someone to hear her out and that's it. i do it all the time with the wife. but yeah, there's definitely crazy out there, and not sure i would be able to handle a crazy bitch puking all over me.
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i think i quoted the wrong person, whateva.
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CoccoBill
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It may all come down to decision-making, whether it's primarily based on logic or feeling.
Think of the brain as two processors, the left cerebral cortex being a serial processor and the right a parallel processor. The right hemisphere is involved with senses, movement, the current moment, observing the reality. The left hemisphere, on the other hand, thinks linearly, and is concerned about the past and the future, making connections between events, using logic, categorizing and organizing all the information taken in.
Typically one of these hemispheres for each person is dominant, specifying what is their primary method for processing information. For women (and left-handed males), the right hemisphere is more commonly the dominant one. This means that their primary mode of processing information is based on feeling, sensing and perception, rather than thinking, judging and intuition, as with their left-dominant counterparts.
This, of course, is all unproven theory. However, it does make sense on a certain level and opens up room for interesting thoughts, though I'm not gonna go there. Either way it's good to remember each person normally has both hemispheres functional, and even though one has executive power, the whole picture is most likely nothing as simple as this. About how this might apply to reality, I'd suggest reading on the Myers-Briggs type indicator:
Personality Type Information
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BBC News - Ukraine rape scandal victim Oksana Makar dies
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"Honesty is for the most part less profitable than dishonesty."
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Ms Makar lost consciousness after her attackers abandoned her at a construction site and set fire to her.
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Classy bunch of gents.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
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Take your time with this one.
Woman gets life for raping infant daughter - New York Daily News
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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I see your child rape and I raise you powdered babies: South Korea customs officials find thousands of pills filled with powdered human baby flesh | Mail Online
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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[ ] proud to be a human
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"Honesty is for the most part less profitable than dishonesty."
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Naked man killed by Police near MacArthur Causeway was ‘eating’ face off victim - Miami-Dade - MiamiHerald.com
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