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I figured it was a matter of time before something like this happened in Iraq.
http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...174649,00.html
Basically, this is what happened. An IED went off during a patrol, killing a lance corporal and injuring a few others. The Marines go apeshit and start killing civilians. When the smoke clears there's 24 dead Iraqi's and a lot of lying to be done.
"One woman ... was bending over a child, pleading for mercy, and they shot her in cold blood." -Murtha
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seriously though, don't let a few spoiled tomatoes cloud your judgement.
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i'm going to withhold my judgement until there's more info and more credible info available.
seriously though can't we talk about zach's motion machine or something of the sort???
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seriously though, don't let a few spoiled tomatoes cloud your judgement.
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seriously though, don't let a few spoiled tomatoes cloud your judgement.
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4-8 people out of 120,000 isn't exactly a representative sample.
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seriously though, don't let a few spoiled tomatoes cloud your judgement.
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4-8 people out of 120,000 isn't exactly a representative sample. |
Sample Size = Too Small
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a few? lol
estimates say that between 38,000 and 42,500 civilians have been killed in Iraq so far
you're telling me that all these deaths were accidental, that they were all collateral damage? k brb bbq
your argument is so weak it makes my balls hurt
civilians have been killed intentionally before and after Habitha,they have just been covered up a lot better
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interesting fact- did you know that the rangers in pat tillman's unit burned his body armor (upon direct orders to do so from their superiors) to get rid of evidence that he died from friendly fire?
the army intel knew that tillman got killed by his own, but they didn't disclose this information to the public until weeks after tillman's memorial service
fucking scumbags
oh and that whole abu ghraib thing too
hmm what was that about 4-5 bad apples?
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"Jimmy Massey, a former staff sergeant, told AFP that the daily attacks now confronting US-led forces and Iraqi civilians were "because of the brutality that the Iraqi people saw at the start of the invasion". In his book, Kill! Kill! Kill!, he says he and other marines in his unit killed dozens of unarmed Iraqi civilians because of an exaggerated sense of threat, and that they often experienced sexual-type thrills doing so. The book was being released first in France - and in French - because, he said, "I didn't find an American publisher".
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...37B65B12D0.htm
Yea I always get a huge boner when I'm watch "Bloodsport," I can totally relate to these marines
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Geee...i bet iraqi civilians lived in paradise before the war.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3253783.stm
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go play an MTT or something
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Possessed, one more unconstructive critisism like "your argument sucks so hard my balls hurt" and this thread gets locked.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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"See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil"
Applies not just to this event, but to the whole situation.
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The mass graves mostly included the remains of ethnic Kurds and Shia Muslims killed for opposing the regime between 1983 and 1991, she said.
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You mean like...when he was our ally? Yea that definatly backs up our side.
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its funny that all of the charges against saddam used in the buildup to the war actually occured while the US was his ally and supplying him with fun things such as gas to use on the Kurds.
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What kind of people do you think join the military? People who like to kill people. Does this surprise anyone?
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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What kind of people do you think join the military? People who like to kill people. Does this surprise anyone?
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And people who can't get into school. Not the brightest apples PO$$E$$ED!!!!!!!!
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cease fire friendlies, I'm Pat fucking Tillman goddammit
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These marines experienced a situation that you will never experience in your life. Explosions, bullets flying through the air, fellow marines dying. Is it possible that they overreacted and killed some innocent civilians, yes. All people make mistakes, when soldiers make mistakes they have greater consequences than when you make a mistake. People die when soldiers make mistakes whether they be civilians or your fellow soldiers. So, Possed until you are placed into a similar situation, you should not pass judgment on these soldiers. My guess if you were placed in this situation you would crawl in a ditch and cry for you mommy.
The truth probably lies somewhere in between the media report and the marines statement. If that is the case the military will punish the soldiers according.
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That's what I said about OJ. Who are we to judge him? Until we're in the position of brutally beating our wife, we can not judge him.
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I get significantly dumber with each 'bigred' post that I read.
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These marines experienced a situation that you will never experience in your life. Explosions, bullets flying through the air, fellow marines dying. Is it possible that they overreacted and killed some innocent civilians, yes. All people make mistakes, when soldiers make mistakes they have greater consequences than when you make a mistake. People die when soldiers make mistakes whether they be civilians or your fellow soldiers. So, Possed until you are placed into a similar situation, you should not pass judgment on these soldiers. My guess if you were placed in this situation you would crawl in a ditch and cry for you mommy.
The truth probably lies somewhere in between the media report and the marines statement. If that is the case the military will punish the soldiers according.
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But seriously. What on earth is he trying to say? Po$$e$$ed would crawl in a ditch while crying to his mommy? As opposed to what? Slaughtering inoocent people?
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I just killed someone for looking at my ice cream.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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If that is the case the military will punish the soldiers according.
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even though they should probably be punishing these soldiers superior officers in almost all cases such as this. take abu ghraib. do you really think a bunch of MP's got it into their heads all on their own to put black hoods on these prisoners and pile them naked on top of each other?? come on.
And if you as soldiers are not adequately trained to handle a high pressure situation such as combat then perhaps you should alert a superior officer to relieve you of duty until you are ready. or even alert a superior to someone else who is clearly not ready within your unit.
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even though they should probably be punishing these soldiers superior officers in almost all cases such as this. take abu ghraib. do you really think a bunch of MP's got it into their heads all on their own to put black hoods on these prisoners and pile them naked on top of each other?? come on.
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A bunch of 18-24 year soldiers who most likely signed up for the military/reserves so they could go to college for free and then "surprise" got called off to war.......yes.
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its easy to be an armchair general
i mean, if a bunch of keyboard warriors can make perfect descisions regarding everything, its just that much easier for well trained army personnel to make those desicions while shit is asploding. NHGGSIIHP. AMIRITE? OMGLOLROFLSKATES.
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These marines experienced a situation that you will never experience in your life. Explosions, bullets flying through the air, fellow marines dying. Is it possible that they overreacted and killed some innocent civilians, yes. All people make mistakes, when soldiers make mistakes they have greater consequences than when you make a mistake. People die when soldiers make mistakes whether they be civilians or your fellow soldiers. So, Possed until you are placed into a similar situation, you should not pass judgment on these soldiers.
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So if I get beaten up on the way home from a night out, its ok for me to go get a kitchen knife and start stabbing random people on the street who by the way are totally different people to the ones who beat me up? I guess the courts wouldnt really be in a position to judge unless they had been beaten up too...
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/486961E1-A0E5-413E-8DCB-3637B65B12D0.htm"
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Wow. All this AND you read Al Jazeera. Do you burn the American flag and wear a beret too?
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The position of undeniable guilt on the part of the soldiers is just as ridiculous as the ones on here claiming undeniable innocence.
More often than not the truth lies somewhere in between.
Is what happened ok? Absolutely not. I'd refrain from saying it was intentional until I knew more actual facts. Based on past history, Time's coverage is clearly to the left and anti-war, just as anything the military says is going to slant to the right and CYA.
As for the Marines lying, I think it's a combination of covering for themselves and sheer stress of the situation clouding the facts and their memory.
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 You're an elitist retard. Just because someone can't afford to go to school doesn't mean they can't get into school.
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Wow. All this AND you read Al Jazeera. Do you burn the American flag and wear a beret too? |
Spoken like a true FOX News watcher.
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Wow. All this AND you read Al Jazeera. Do you burn the American flag and wear a beret too? |
Spoken like a true FOX News watcher. |
Don't watch Fox. Not far enough to the right for me. I'm slightly to the left of Ghengis Khan and moving farther right each and every day. Considering joining the Fascist party at the present time because short of pushing the pendulum that far to the other side, there's no correcting this shithole society. Rampant liberalism (read: Communism/Socialism) set free in the 60's has damn near achieved its objective and this country will collapse under its own weight in my lifetime.
At least you lefties can move to Canada. All I have is Costa Rica (sorta).
(Btw, to my original point: Listening to ANYTHING Al Jazeera puts out is akin to listening to Joseph Goebbels in WW2. It's blatant propoganda with one ultimate objective: to spill American blood)
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Wow. All this AND you read Al Jazeera. Do you burn the American flag and wear a beret too? |
Spoken like a true FOX News watcher. |
Don't watch Fox. Not far enough to the right for me. I'm slightly to the left of Ghengis Khan and moving farther right each and every day. Considering joining the Fascist party at the present time because short of pushing the pendulum that far to the other side, there's no correcting this shithole society. Rampant liberalism (read: Communism/Socialism) set free in the 60's has damn near achieved its objective and this country will collapse under its own weight in my lifetime.
At least you lefties can move to Canada. All I have is Costa Rica (sorta).
(Btw, to my original point: Listening to ANYTHING Al Jazeera puts out is akin to listening to Joseph Goebbels in WW2. It's blatant propoganda with one ultimate objective: to spill American blood) |
Amen, brother.
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(Btw, to my original point: Listening to ANYTHING Al Jazeera puts out is akin to listening to Joseph Goebbels in WW2. It's blatant propoganda with one ultimate objective: to spill American blood)
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Godwin, ftw.
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Don't watch Fox. Not far enough to the right for me. I'm slightly to the left of Ghengis Khan and moving farther right each and every day. Considering joining the Fascist party at the present time because short of pushing the pendulum that far to the other side, there's no correcting this shithole society. Rampant liberalism (read: Communism/Socialism) set free in the 60's has damn near achieved its objective and this country will collapse under its own weight in my lifetime.
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Sounds like you and OBL would agree on a lot of points.
Godwiiiiiiiiiiiiiin!!!!
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Godwin, ftw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law |
I move for a dismissal. I intentionally did NOT mention Hitler or the Nazis to avoid this. True, Goebbels was a Nazi but he was also a purveyor of lies and half-truths. Him being a Nazi was incidental, not integral to my point.
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These marines experienced a situation that you will never experience in your life. Explosions, bullets flying through the air, fellow marines dying. Is it possible that they overreacted and killed some innocent civilians, yes. All people make mistakes, when soldiers make mistakes they have greater consequences than when you make a mistake. People die when soldiers make mistakes whether they be civilians or your fellow soldiers. So, Possed until you are placed into a similar situation, you should not pass judgment on these soldiers.
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So if I get beaten up on the way home from a night out, its ok for me to go get a kitchen knife and start stabbing random people on the street who by the way are totally different people to the ones who beat me up? I guess the courts wouldnt really be in a position to judge unless they had been beaten up too... |
Getting beaten up is exactly the same as having a friend get killed and others wounded and hardly being able to take a step without knowing if it'll be your last. Exactly the same.
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woah woah, you're saying fox news is more fair and balanced than al jihad news? why don't you and W just move in together.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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I forgot this thread was about fox news and not innocent people massacred.
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I forgot this thread was about fox news and not innocent people massacred.
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please don't get off topic again, thx
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i find this thread kindof silly.
to the people who want to keep this all serious. what are you looking to hear? is there really any serious discussion to be had here?
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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i find this thread kindof silly.
to the people who want to keep this all serious. what are you looking to hear? is there really any serious discussion to be had here?
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Yes, we can talk about how sexy I am.
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These marines experienced a situation that you will never experience in your life. Explosions, bullets flying through the air, fellow marines dying. Is it possible that they overreacted and killed some innocent civilians, yes. All people make mistakes, when soldiers make mistakes they have greater consequences than when you make a mistake. People die when soldiers make mistakes whether they be civilians or your fellow soldiers. So, Possed until you are placed into a similar situation, you should not pass judgment on these soldiers.
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So if I get beaten up on the way home from a night out, its ok for me to go get a kitchen knife and start stabbing random people on the street who by the way are totally different people to the ones who beat me up? I guess the courts wouldnt really be in a position to judge unless they had been beaten up too... |
Getting beaten up is exactly the same as having a friend get killed and others wounded and hardly being able to take a step without knowing if it'll be your last. Exactly the same. |
No but going out afterwards and massacaring random families is exactly the same as going out afterwards and massacaring random families.
Breaking down the doors to civilian homes and shooting random people inside is not justified just because SOMEONE ELSE shot one of your friends.
My point was to show that the argument "you cant judge someone for something unless its happened to you too" is ridiculous.
If these marines cant handle the pressures they are under then thats one more reason why they shouldnt be there.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
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