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Old 01-15-2008, 04:32 AM     Post subject: Look! Up in the sky! #1 (permalink)  
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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as miniscule as our planet is , how hard is it to expect other intelligent life ?

here's a video that shows just how small our SUN is :

http://www.filecabi.net/video/plan7884.html
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I believe there is more advanced life out there somewhere.

But to think they would come here, spy on us(but be seen) and then probe our asses, just doesn't make sense.
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we (humans) go on safari's to watch lions eat zebra's and giraffes' frolic next to elephants .

we go scuba diving to view fishes .

why wouldnt an advanced culture come veiw us ? especially since we've detonated a few nuke's which im sure sent ripples through all of space

not to mention all the radio waves we broadcast endlessly .

there are endless wacky theories about their motives , but i think its all about curiosity .
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 "Fourteen percent of Americans polled last year by The Associated Press and Ipsos say they have seen a UFO."

wtf one out of seven of you guys have seen UFO's?

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as miniscule as our planet is , how hard is it to expect other intelligent life ?

here's a video that shows just how small our SUN is :

http://www.filecabi.net/video/plan7884.html
thats a really cool video! that's just insane to comprehend that W Cephei is 288,194 times larger than Earth! 3,676,200,000 km in circumference? Daaaaaaaaaaayum.

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"Fourteen percent of Americans polled last year by The Associated Press and Ipsos say they have seen a UFO."

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I believe there is more advanced life out there somewhere.

But to think they would come here, spy on us(but be seen) and then probe our asses, just doesn't make sense.
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"Regarding the UFO debate, Sagan presented a scientific approach. Since there are reports on encountering UFOs every year, Sagan propose to assume that there is just one real true UFO report each year. That means we have been visited for at least a million times in the history of mankind. What’s the probability of this is true? He then calculated that there has to more than 1 million civilizations out there and each has to launch 10,000 space ships per year (during their lifetime of 10 million years), just to be able to reach the earth at least once. This is very unlikely."



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 i believe that at least 90% of the UFO siters just say it to get publicity.
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:58 PM #13 (permalink)  
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by definition a UFO can be anything in the sky you cannot identify . it doesnt HAVE to mean an alien spacecraft .

with the US (and other) military never letting anyone know what kind of new technologies they are working on , it is possible for a farmer in texas to see something in the sky he never saw before .

*shrug* also , how much time have you non-believers spent looking at the night sky ? if you live in a city area where you get the horizon 'haze' you wont see much for lights . if you live in the boonies like me , you'll see all kinds of em . many many many are airplanes , but once in awhile you'll see one that moves erratically .

different strokes for different folks . its like ghosts or religion , some believe - some dont .
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Old 01-15-2008, 07:35 PM #14 (permalink)  
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People didnt believe in black holes just a few years ago either.
And now they are studying "wite holes". So far it's a theoretical body,but maybe its just a matter of time before we find those too.
Shows just how little we know and that our intelligence is hugely overestimated.
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:43 PM #17 (permalink)  
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as miniscule as our planet is , how hard is it to expect other intelligent life ?

here's a video that shows just how small our SUN is :

http://www.filecabi.net/video/plan7884.html
It's not hard to imagine. However, it is hard to imagine that their may be life intelligent enough to have the capable of reaching us.

Our Sun and main-sequence stars of equivalent size "run" for about 10~13 billion years. Smaller m.s. stars will last longer and larger ones will last shorter.

Our planet is 5 billion years old. Humans, afaik, are 2 million years old. And we are the smartest creatures on this planet. Capable of sending probes to outer reaches of the heliosphere of our solar-system.

So it took half the life-time of the sun for life as intelligent as us to sprout up.

For their to be Aliens visiting our planet, they would need technology capable of sensing our world in a manner which we don't understand. Because we can neither sense them sensing us or sense them ourselves. They would also need technology to travel to our world in a manner similar. Again, technology which we can't sense. Also, this technology would have to traverse distances greater than 4 light years (the closest star to us). And remember, they'd probably be much further away then that because we can see these stars and would probably be able to sense life around those stars.

It took our planet half it's life for us to pop up. It's taken us 2 million years to develop the means to send probes to the outer reaches of our solar system. It's hard for me to imagine that another planet some where has lasted long enough to develop the lifeforms capable of traveling distances of light years and to do it in a manner which we can't sense.

For me, at least, the idea of a species developing on some other planet orbiting some other star capable of visiting us is too difficult to wrap my brain around. However, I would gladly accept that other planets probably support life.

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Old 01-16-2008, 01:55 PM #18 (permalink)  
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it is however possible that a species exists somewhere with the capability of moving from one habitable planet to another, and from one solar system to another, thereby extending it's possible lifespan by a very large degree (the lifespan of the species itself, not of the individuals within the species).
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it is however possible that a species exists somewhere with the capability of moving from one habitable planet to another, and from one solar system to another, thereby extending it's possible lifespan by a very large degree (the lifespan of the species itself, not of the individuals within the species).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

"Even at 0.1c, Orion thermonuclear starships will require a flight time of 44 years to reach Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the Sun. An Orion starship would require 100 years to travel 10 light years. The late astronomer Carl Sagan suggested that this would be an excellent use for current stockpiles of nuclear weapons."

So, I guess the technology could exist. But wikipedia also says the universe is only 13.7 billion years old. Just based on how many elements exist around Earth to allow it to support life, I don't know if that's enough time for another planet to randomly pick up all the accouterments to develop and support intelligent life.

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 Easterbrook over at EPSN has a theory that soon, say within 50k years, we'll transcend the phyisical plane and become something we would now call gods or ghosts or whatever, and that this has already happened to previous life forms that got to more or less the level where we are. So we'll have to 'catch' the other life form in the (relatively) small window when we can both understand and see what we are.
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as miniscule as our planet is , how hard is it to expect other intelligent life ?
here's a video that shows just how small our SUN is :
http://www.filecabi.net/video/plan7884.html
So what's bigger,
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It took our planet half it's life for us to pop up. It's taken us 2 million years to develop the means to send probes to the outer reaches of our solar system. It's hard for me to imagine that another planet some where has lasted long enough to develop the lifeforms capable of traveling distances of light years and to do it in a manner which we can't sense.
The sum total of technology we've developed so far has happened in an eyeblink relative to our time on Earth as a distinct species. It's not unfathomable that we could develop the technology to traverse interstellar distances within the next few hundred years.

It is theoretically possible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhol...able_wormholes

Assuming the laws of physics are universal, other intelligent species - that I, for one, believe do exist throughout the universe - will eventually arrive at the same conclusions and strive to solve the problem. I don't think it's unreasonable to presume that some have beat us to it.



 
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"Regarding the UFO debate, Sagan presented a scientific approach...
Interesting you would mention Sagan. From the Wiki article above:

"In Carl Sagan's novel Contact and subsequent 1997 film starring Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey, Foster's character Ellie travels 26 light years through a series of wormholes to the star Vega. The round trip, which to Ellie lasts 18 hours, passes by in a fraction of a second on Earth, making it seem that she didn't go anywhere. In her defense, Foster mentions an Einstein-Rosen bridge and tells how she was able to travel faster than light and time. Analysis of the situation by Kip Thorne, on the request of Sagan, is quoted by Thorne as being his original impetus for analyzing the physics of wormholes."



 
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The sum total of technology we've developed so far has happened in an eyeblink relative to our time on Earth as a distinct species. It's not unfathomable that we could develop the technology to traverse interstellar distances within the next few hundred years.
I disagree. The sum total of technology builds and builds on itself. So the sum total of all technology is representative of every advancement of man over his environment. Including the harnessing of fire and the use of simple tools to build homes.

I like the transcending the physical plane idea because scientists have shown that information can move faster than the speed of light.

Also, what kind of energy would it take to create a wormhole?

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The sum total of technology builds and builds on itself. So the sum total of all technology is representative of every advancement of man over his environment. Including the harnessing of fire and the use of simple tools to build homes.
Yeah, but the rate of advancement has increased significantly, practically exponentially. It's not going to take us the next 10,000 years to develop nuclear fusion, for example.

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Interesting you would mention Sagan. From the Wiki article above:

"In Carl Sagan's novel Contact and subsequent 1997 film starring Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey, Foster's character Ellie travels 26 light years through a series of wormholes to the star Vega. The round trip, which to Ellie lasts 18 hours, passes by in a fraction of a second on Earth, making it seem that she didn't go anywhere. In her defense, Foster mentions an Einstein-Rosen bridge and tells how she was able to travel faster than light and time. Analysis of the situation by Kip Thorne, on the request of Sagan, is quoted by Thorne as being his original impetus for analyzing the physics of wormholes."

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It took our planet half it's life for us to pop up. It's taken us 2 million years to develop the means to send probes to the outer reaches of our solar system. It's hard for me to imagine that another planet some where has lasted long enough to develop the lifeforms capable of traveling distances of light years and to do it in a manner which we can't sense.
The sum total of technology we've developed so far has happened in an eyeblink relative to our time on Earth as a distinct species. It's not unfathomable that we could develop the technology to traverse interstellar distances within the next few hundred years.

It is theoretically possible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhol...able_wormholes

Assuming the laws of physics are universal, other intelligent species - that I, for one, believe do exist throughout the universe - will eventually arrive at the same conclusions and strive to solve the problem. I don't think it's unreasonable to presume that some have beat us to it.
This should be true, unless they are overrun by some odd sort of religion and outright deny the existence of "others"... like some on a certain planet...
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For Earth to support life, a lot of things had to go right. I think the chances that some random planet will support life is very slim. And the chances of that planet remaining inhabitable long enough for intelligent creatures to show up is even more slim. So if there is another planet supporting smart people, it's probably incredibly far away from us.

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For Earth to support life, a lot of things had to go right. I think the chances that some random planet will support life is very slim. And the chances of that planet remaining inhabitable long enough for intelligent creatures to show up is even more slim. So if there is another planet supporting smart people, it's probably incredibly far away from us.
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i didnt really wanna start a new thread for this , since this ones already deals with space .

http://www.filecabi.net/video/Neil_Armstron_Window.html <--- 10~min vid

the vid deals with the '69 lunar landing . it supposedly shows how the 3 astronauts used camera techniques to 'mislead' the public about their true distance from earth .

yes , i know this could be easily faked and manipulated to discredit the nasa astronauts , but neverless i found it intriguing . anyone have thoughts on it other than , ' FAKE ' ?
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