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Post subject: Im seeing president bush talk tomorrow - messages???
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4-of-a-Kind
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Well since Im a VIP an pwn everyone Im going to be talkin with my home boy georgeio bush tomorrow. If u guys have any issues you want me to bring up feel free to post here and I'll tell you his response if the questions arent completely retarded. I also plan on having him get me into the secret service :P
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I am going to ask him to legalize poker and have this massive ass government poker site where it is all tax free because the rake will be considered the tax - maybe I should where my FTR hoodie too. Im also gonna ask him to legalize booby viewing in all workplace environments so we no longer have this work safe avatar issue.
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I am going to ask him to legalize poker and have this massive ass government poker site where it is all tax free because the rake will be considered the tax - maybe I should where my FTR hoodie too. Im also gonna ask him to legalize booby viewing in all workplace environments so we no longer have this work safe avatar issue.
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While you are talking him into legalizing things...
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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
- Claire Wolfe, 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution
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ask him what his favorite card game is
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Ask where he stands on the FairTax bill.
Talk about a great solution to our idiotic tax code.
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Ask him why his Immigration Policy is s0 \/\/3@|<. I swear Mexico is annexing Texas one border hopper at a time, and ask him if Texas is going to change its official language to spanish?
Tell him thanks for flushing the Johns on Nov. 2.
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Could you ask him if he is familiar with the Project for a New American Century (PNAC)? If he is, can you ask if he is in agreement with the group's fundamental positions, and to what extent PNAC has influenced his foreign policy? This is kind of a "fringe" thing and he has not been asked about this by the main stream media, to my knowledge.
Can you ask if he browses the internet at all and if so, what sites does he visit the most?
Can you ask if he supports congressional Republicans' efforts to give the FCC authority to regulate cable TV and satellite radio?
Thank you.
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Could you ask him if he is familiar with the Project for a New American Century (PNAC)? If he is, can you ask if he is in agreement with the group's fundamental positions, and to what extent PNAC has influenced his foreign policy? This is kind of a "fringe" thing and he has not been asked about this by the main stream media, to my knowledge.
Can you ask if he browses the internet at all and if so, what sites does he visit the most?
Can you ask if he supports congressional Republicans' efforts to give the FCC authority to regulate cable TV and satellite radio?
Thank you.
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Could you ask him if he is familiar with the Project for a New American Century (PNAC)? If he is, can you ask if he is in agreement with the group's fundamental positions, and to what extent PNAC has influenced his foreign policy? This is kind of a "fringe" thing and he has not been asked about this by the main stream media, to my knowledge.
Can you ask if he browses the internet at all and if so, what sites does he visit the most?
Can you ask if he supports congressional Republicans' efforts to give the FCC authority to regulate cable TV and satellite radio?
Thank you.
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I hope I get the chance.
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Can you ask if he browses the internet at all and if so, what sites does he visit the most?
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I have a feeling this one is going to be yes and Flop Turn River!!!!!!
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Ask him what plan he has for the american lifestyle to survive when Peak oil comes.
Ask him why the hell he refuses to cooperate with the rest of the world about green house gases when his country stands for roughly 40 % of all carbondioxide that´s going out in the atmosphere.
Ask him how he, as a proclaimer of human rights (?), can keep "suspicious terrorists" in the God forgotten Guantánamo base completely without trial.
Ask him why he comes crawling to Europe talking about transatlantic cooperation two years after he invaded Iraq over the head of UN and his allies over here, and why we should not think that will happen again.
Ask him if he doesn´t get hubris when he gets standing ovations after every sentence he says when holding speeches to the country - hell, even Kerry´s clapping his hands and nodding his head!
I puke on this guy. Maybe I´m getting a little too political here, but frankly - WHY THE HELL DID YOU VOTE HIM FOR PRESIDENT?
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Seriously, ask him for a legal framework for online poker. Everyone loses with the current grey market status.
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Ask him what plan he has for the american lifestyle to survive when Peak oil comes.
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There is still A LOT of oil left. When it starts running dry the free market will provide alternatives.
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Ask him why the hell he refuses to cooperate with the rest of the world about green house gases when his country stands for roughly 40 % of all carbondioxide that´s going out in the atmosphere.
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The Kyoto Accord is a HORRIBLE treaty. Lots of other countries get a free ride and we're shafted.
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Ask him how he, as a proclaimer of human rights (?), can keep "suspicious terrorists" in the God forgotten Guantánamo base completely without trial.
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As opposed to video taping them while cutting off their heads with a knife screaming "Alah akbar!" I guess the civilized world considers that more humanitarian? At least the French and English were accomplished enough in this task to get the job done in one stroke more often than not.
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Ask him why he comes crawling to Europe talking about transatlantic cooperation two years after he invaded Iraq over the head of UN and his allies over here, and why we should not think that will happen again.
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When you're taking bribes from the former adminstration of Iraq, pardon us for ignoring your input on the matter.
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Ask him if he doesn´t get hubris when he gets standing ovations after every sentence he says when holding speeches to the country - hell, even Kerry´s clapping his hands and nodding his head!
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Hail to the chief!
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frankly - WHY THE HELL DID YOU VOTE HIM FOR PRESIDENT?
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I did, both times... and would do it again.
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Bush is against Casino gambling. At least he was in '91, when running for governor here. I don't know what the format of your meeting is like, but it would rock if you could talk poker. The mainstreaming of the game has made it about as morally objectionable as drinking coffee: some people overdo it and have problems, but mostly it's responsible middle class adults -- inc. a lot of yuppies -- having fun and hurting no one.
State and Federal govt.s are missing out on Colossal potential revenues by clinging to residual Puritanism
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Seriously, ask him for a legal framework for online poker. Everyone loses with the current grey market status.
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Ask him what plan he has for the american lifestyle to survive when Peak oil comes.
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There is still A LOT of oil left. When it starts running dry the free market will provide alternatives.
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Ask him why the hell he refuses to cooperate with the rest of the world about green house gases when his country stands for roughly 40 % of all carbondioxide that´s going out in the atmosphere.
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The Kyoto Accord is a HORRIBLE treaty. Lots of other countries get a free ride and we're shafted.
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Ask him how he, as a proclaimer of human rights (?), can keep "suspicious terrorists" in the God forgotten Guantánamo base completely without trial.
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As opposed to video taping them while cutting off their heads with a knife screaming "Alah akbar!" I guess the civilized world considers that more humanitarian? At least the French and English were accomplished enough in this task to get the job done in one stroke more often than not.
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Ask him why he comes crawling to Europe talking about transatlantic cooperation two years after he invaded Iraq over the head of UN and his allies over here, and why we should not think that will happen again.
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When you're taking bribes from the former adminstration of Iraq, pardon us for ignoring your input on the matter.
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Ask him if he doesn´t get hubris when he gets standing ovations after every sentence he says when holding speeches to the country - hell, even Kerry´s clapping his hands and nodding his head!
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Hail to the chief!
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frankly - WHY THE HELL DID YOU VOTE HIM FOR PRESIDENT?
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I did, both times... and would do it again. |
sic 'em Fnord.
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Is that guy still part of the forum??
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Fnord are you a libertarian or something?
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the free market will provide alternatives.
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Wanna point me in its direction?
(actual argument deferred to some other thread, probably)
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As opposed to video taping them while cutting off their heads with a knife screaming "Alah akbar!" I guess the civilized world considers that more humanitarian? At least the French and English were accomplished enough in this task to get the job done in one stroke more often than not.
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You're just mad 'cause i cut off YOUR head and put it on that pimp.
Strike that; it seems you're happy about it
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That sounds like a great opportunity to ask him in which scenarios he believes human lives are indispensable and in which scenarios they are not.
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Ask him why the hell he refuses to cooperate with the rest of the world about green house gases when his country stands for roughly 40 % of all carbondioxide that´s going out in the atmosphere.
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All the carbon dioxide released by humans in the last 200 years is still less than one of the hundred’s Volcano eruptions that happen every year.
Don’t buy into what sounds scary, but isn’t true.
Edit: Converting that talking point into fact...
Ask him why the hell he refuses to cooperate with the rest of the world about green house gases when his country stands for roughly 40% of all carbondioxide that´s going out in the atmosphere from human activaty. Naturally we will not mention the fact that human activity results in less than .1% (and probally .01%) of all carbondioxide that´s going out in the atmosphere. That number doesnt let us scare people into voteing the way we want them to.
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The Kyoto Accord is a HORRIBLE treaty. Lots of other countries get a free ride and we're shafted.
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That's because we are evil and the rest of the world is good, so we deserve to be shafted.
I thought everyone knew that.
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I puke on this guy. Maybe I´m getting a little too political here, but frankly - WHY THE HELL DID YOU VOTE HIM FOR PRESIDENT?
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You listed most of the reasons we voted for him.
Well, once you actually look at the reasons (and the actual facts) he did all that, then you will see the reasons we voted for him.
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Ask if he can set me up for a night in the Lincoln bedroom with his daughters.
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All the carbon dioxide released by humans in the last 200 years is still less than one of the hundred’s Volcano eruptions that happen every year.
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OK, either you are fooled or I am fooled, but this is what Sweden´s official encyclopedia says about the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (freely translated):
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In the time period from 1750 to 2001 the content of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased with 31 %. Thus, today´s level is the highest in the last 420,000 years, and probably in the last 20,000,000 years.
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I´ll cut off the political discussions and just talk poker from now on. This just gets me upset! :P and I guess poker is what we are all here to talk about.
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Wow .... I'm so tempted to jump into the heated political debate, but this a poker forum. Ahhh ... WTF ... I can't hold back.
Ask him how we managed to be so brave to pursue a foreign policy that's good for the world, but not exactly very popular.
Ask him what the French etc. thought the world should do given that Uday (who is a much crazier mofo than his Dad) was about to either seize power in Iraq, or inherit power once his Dad croaked. Now there's a WMD!
Ask him how happy he was when Arafat kicked the can?
Ask him WTF he's REALLY going to do about Iran and N. Korea?
Ask him if he realizes how silly it is to try and change the constitution to limit people's freedoms. Ask him why the sanctity of marriage cannot still be protected while allowing civil unions. (don't worry, #1 I'm not married, and #2 I like the hotty avatars as much the next raving hetero! Mmmmm (non-simian) half-naked avatars .... mmmmm!)
Ask him to use his religion to guide him, but not to impose it on everyone. Ask him not to let right-wing religious factions in the US have too much influence over Domestic policy.
Ask him how he can continue to use american power to change the Middle East for the better but gain much more international support in and for doing it.
Ask him why the French are such hypocritcal, and why they think that they can hide behind a fake wall of moral-superiority BS. Ask him to ask them about all their deals with Saddam.
Ask him where he sees China in 10, 20 years?
Ask him if he's genuinely pissed off at Paul Martin (our Prime Minister) over this missile-defense issue?
Ask him if he's intimidated by how much smarter Bill Clinton is than him?
Ask him when I can come and have a beer with him and learn all about the latest intelligence he receives every day. That shit is so fascinating! Also, ask him if Laura will be there; she's not to shabby for an older lady. 
Oh, and I second that point about boobies! Yeah (snicker) ... I said boobies!
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I´ll cut off the political discussions and just talk poker from now on. This just gets me upset! and I guess poker is what we are all here to talk about.
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Now that i can agree with! =)
I love debateing, but only with someone else that is enjoying it.
I really dont want to bring this into a non political forum. (takes 100's of posts to even come close to debateing this.)
I dont agree with you on this, but we can just leave it at that =)
Edit: I have a suggestion for removeing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere... In nature, growing plants are the #1 remover of carbon dioxide... If we just cut down all the old growth timber and let the tree farming companies move in that will solve the problem... 
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Riddle me this, Mr. President! [ODB voice] If a brick couldn't sit on a walls no mo'. What would you axe it? [/ODB voice]
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Ask if he can set me up for a night in the Lincoln bedroom with his daughters.
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I will bring my video camera.
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There is still A LOT of oil left.
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Yes, but we've used a LOT' (think world war II and everything since) and the rate of our consumtion is increasing. I think LOT is just about equal to LOT', so we have a shrinking supply. No new large oil reserves have been discovered since the 60's, we're just moving into exploiting the hard ones, like in the middle of the ocean. Saudi Araiba accounts for a whole bunch of the world's oil reserve, the've been pumping seawater into the ground to maintain production levels. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but the clock is running.
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When it starts running dry the free market will provide alternatives.
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yes, but you will Never Ever see gas for a buck a gallon again. cars may get more efficent, or hydrogen powered or whatever, but we caught a lucky break with all of the stored potential energy in oil. It's sort of like humans catching a lucky break hunting giant sloths. huge pool of potential energy that's easy to grab. of course, when they ran out people moved on to other food sources. giant sloths were just easier than everything else to kill. just like, oil is easier than every other power source. folks that depend on it will *have* to change, and it will suck.
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The Kyoto Accord is a HORRIBLE treaty. Lots of other countries get a free ride and we're shafted.
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depends on your goals. the sudan isn't going to invent a cleaner power source. the first world is going to have to come up with these power solutions independant of the rest of the world, because of the oil problem. It may be worth delaying. fine. Fusion power research funding keeps getting cut and cut and cut. no new fission plants.
another way of looking at it, we got our free ride from 1870-1940, when we industrialized. we can afford to move on to cleaner power, where as say, Zimbabwe may want to industrialize someday, when they do it, they can pollute. when the're done, they stop.
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As opposed to video taping them while cutting off their heads with a knife screaming "Alah akbar!" I guess the civilized world considers that more humanitarian? At least the French and English were accomplished enough in this task to get the job done in one stroke more often than not.
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I liked the roman solution. nail the fuckers to a cross. of course, that ended up not working out for rome, but it has a great deal of short term expediency.
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Hail to the chief!
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There's a guy from the secret service here saying something about guantanimo bay... i'll have to finish this lat
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All the carbon dioxide released by humans in the last 200 years is still less than one of the hundred’s Volcano eruptions that happen every year.
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OK, either you are fooled or I am fooled, but this is what Sweden´s official encyclopedia says about the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (freely translated):
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In the time period from 1750 to 2001 the content of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased with 31 %. Thus, today´s level is the highest in the last 420,000 years, and probably in the last 20,000,000 years.
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I´ll cut off the political discussions and just talk poker from now on. This just gets me upset! :P and I guess poker is what we are all here to talk about. |
I believe the human population has increased exponetially since then too.
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Ask him why the sanctity of marriage cannot still be protected while allowing civil unions.
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Just a quick comment on this.
Bush doesnt have a problem with civil unions.
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All the carbon dioxide released by humans in the last 200 years is still less than one of the hundred’s Volcano eruptions that happen every year.
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OK, either you are fooled or I am fooled, but this is what Sweden´s official encyclopedia says about the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (freely translated):
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In the time period from 1750 to 2001 the content of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased with 31 %. Thus, today´s level is the highest in the last 420,000 years, and probably in the last 20,000,000 years.
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I´ll cut off the political discussions and just talk poker from now on. This just gets me upset! :P and I guess poker is what we are all here to talk about. |
I believe the human population has increased exponetially since then too. |
Umm, yeah sure. So, does that mean that the volcanoes spit out more CO2 than we have? ...eeeh what is your point?
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Whileone, I couldn´t have said it better myself talking about oil. To the rest of you, think about it: it´s not like we suddenly became much smarter than before and started inventing telephones, cameras, TV:s and Xboxes. It´s just that we discovered a really cheap source of energy, and then the snowball started rolling. I also want to add that oil influates more than you think, it´s not just a matter of cheap gas for your SUV - the oil is everywhere. Medicine. Plastics. Machines. Agriculture. Import. Export. You name it. Oil is transport. Oil is production. And most of all: Oil is economy. Think about the fragility in today´s economy and imagine what will happen when THAT snowball starts rolling. [whistles]
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All the carbon dioxide released by humans in the last 200 years is still less than one of the hundred’s Volcano eruptions that happen every year.
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OK, either you are fooled or I am fooled, but this is what Sweden´s official encyclopedia says about the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (freely translated):
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In the time period from 1750 to 2001 the content of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased with 31 %. Thus, today´s level is the highest in the last 420,000 years, and probably in the last 20,000,000 years.
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I´ll cut off the political discussions and just talk poker from now on. This just gets me upset! :P and I guess poker is what we are all here to talk about. |
I believe the human population has increased exponetially since then too. |
Umm, yeah sure. So, does that mean that the volcanoes spit out more CO2 than we have? ...eeeh what is your point? |
No, there are more humans and more industry than in 1775. If you want to reduce the CO2 then send everyone back to the stone age, I'll personally stay here.
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Wow lots of great stuff here. I didnt get to ask anything but what an experience - jesus christ. If he didnt tell people to stop clapping and sit down I bet we would have clapped for an hour straight. My seat was about 30-40 feet away from him. It was quite an enjoyable experience and at one point he was probably about 10 feet away but there were too many people between and him to shake his hand but he did go around the entire front and shake and sign for a ton of people. They had about 5-6 normal people from the surrounding area on the stage with him to discuss social security things and its amazing how nice this guy is and how he jokes around with these normal citizens like he has known them for years. Some cunt from the audience kept yellin MR PRESIDENT to bitch at him about something and by the 3rd time the secret service dudes were on him from both sides to shut his up. You didnt hear another peep out of him.
Overall A+++++++++++++++++++++++ and it was well worth the hours and hours and hours of waiting.
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If he didnt tell people to stop clapping and sit down I bet we would have clapped for an hour straight.
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Who was he speaking to? The 700 Club?  I probably could look it up if I tried but I'm too lazy.
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What does "<3" mean? Sorry I'm not l33t enough to understand. 
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Who was he speaking to? The 700 Club? I probably could look it up if I tried but I'm too lazy. |
The public at Notre Dame - a lot of Notre Dame students and people who wanted to see him - obviously people who didnt like him realized it would be pointless to go since they couldnt say shit anyway so it was generally just people who liked who were there. I like the guy.
That guy from the 700 can kiss my fucking ass I hate that guy. He made up all kinds of shit about marilyn manson back in the day trying to get people to stay away from it. Thats one thing that doesn't sit well with me. A god damn preacher dude making bullshit up.
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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<3 means 
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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johnnyawe
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Full House
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Rilla and Boondock, thanks for the quick responses! You guys are fast!
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johnnyawe
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Hey, did you have to sign a loyalty oath?
(not trying to be a jerk. Its a serious question.)
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thestrokes
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Ask him to say misunderestimated a few times and get audio of it.
Also ask him how he likes America's new policy to become a theocracy that started a few years back, oh i'd say about 2000.
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4-of-a-Kind
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Hey, did you have to sign a loyalty oath?
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no but he signed my butt cheeks and I tattooed it on
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johnnyawe
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bush's policies, while not perfect, aren't as bad as old europe's leader's want you to believe. most of the liberal people/people that strongly dislike bush i know cling to fallacies and refuse to try to understand his reasoning. sure you can legitimately criticize him. but if you find yourself saying things like, he didn't legitimately win the election, he only attacked iraq because he wanted oil, etc etc, you're one of those people.
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most of the liberal people/people that strongly dislike bush i know cling to fallacies and refuse to try to understand his reasoning. sure you can legitimately criticize him. but if you find yourself saying things like, he didn't legitimately win the election, he only attacked iraq because he wanted oil, etc etc, you're one of those people.
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So true.
Also, unlike what a lot of both sides believe, he isn’t very conservative; in fact he is just slightly to the right of center.
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Originally Posted by Greedo017
bush's policies, while not perfect, aren't as bad as old europe's leader's want you to believe. most of the liberal people/people that strongly dislike bush i know cling to fallacies and refuse to try to understand his reasoning. sure you can legitimately criticize him. but if you find yourself saying things like, he didn't legitimately win the election, he only attacked iraq because he wanted oil, etc etc, you're one of those people.
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I'm glad you made that point!
That "The US invaded Iraq just go get the oil" argument that I hear from so many people drives me insane. When you press them further to back it up with some facts, they never can. Even if they were to believe that there's some truth to that statement (I don't), it would be so naive and simplistic to not mention all the other MUCH MORE relevant factors.
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whileone
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Originally Posted by RiverMonkey
That "The US invaded Iraq just go get the oil" argument that I hear from so many people drives me insane. When you press them further to back it up with some facts, they never can. Even if they were to believe that there's some truth to that statement (I don't), it would be so naive and simplistic to not mention all the other MUCH MORE relevant factors.
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lets review the reasons for war.
1. harboring terrorists.
turns out there was no connection between that guy who STILL hasn't been caught, the one, the only, the uber-terrorist on dialasis, Osama Bin Laden. hurry up and catch the mastermind K?
2. weapons of mass destruction
turns out, not only did Secretary Powell have to apologise for 'inflating the significance' of aluminum tubes, but also we haven't found anything. there were, and continue not to be, any wepons of mass destruction.
3. bring freedom to people of the world.
well, ok. why not sudan? way more genocide going on there. Heck, why not just impose sanctions on china? why is Iraq more deserving of freedom than anyone else? fuck'em. Loosen up immigration, let capitalism work. If people don't like their country, we'll take em. we've got lots of space, plenty of work to do.
I'm just ticked he's blown $200 billion of my tax dollars on crap that does no good. The intent may not have been to get Iraq's oil, but france and russia controlled it before the war, now exxon-mobil has the lock. That's possibly the ONE worthwile thing that came out the whole mess.
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Noooooooooooooooo!!
--Darth Vader
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BoondockSaint
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4-of-a-Kind
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i want cheaper gas
nuff said
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RiverMonkey
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Originally Posted by whileone
I'm just ticked he's blown $200 billion of my tax dollars on crap that does no good. The intent may not have been to get Iraq's oil, but france and russia controlled it before the war, now exxon-mobil has the lock. That's possibly the ONE worthwile thing that came out the whole mess.
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I should preface this by saying I'm a Canadian, so I have no right to comment specifically on how YOUR tax dollars are spent.
I can't argue with your point about Bringing Freedom to Iraq and why not Sudan etc.
However, I HAVE TO argue with your statement that "it does no good".
I think the real underlying reasons for going into Iraq were to:
o shake up the Middle East geo-politically,
o send a very loud and clear message to Iran, N. Korea, Libya, Syria, etc.
o Afghanistan ended too quickly and the REAL war on terror isn't visible enough
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o the small possibility of finding WMDs (turned out to be a public relations ploy gone bad),
o get rid of a few terrorists or terrorist camps (mostly for a feather in the cap reasons, and to be able to tell the public that they are making progress in the "War on Terror"),
o getting rid of Saddam, and his crackpot sons
o getting rid of the burden and risk of policing the no-fly-zones (that jet fuel can get expensive)
o prove the UN's oil for food program was not working (turned out to be much worse than that)
o Bush really believes in Manifest Destiny. He genuinely believes that the US has an obligation to spread freedom. Now, I'd love to ask him how he chooses where to do and not do this!!! I really don't think this idea its just 100% window-dressing.
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whileone
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Dont read this. Maybe just lock the thread. I'm not going to convince anyone, no one is going to convince me. It is not in my nature to fold.
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kicking an anthill is retarded. maybe you only get a few bites this time, but it's still retarded.
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o send a very loud and clear message to Iran, N. Korea, Libya, Syria, etc.
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the taliban lasted about four days. that seemed pretty loud and clear. Remember folks in Beruit waving american flags in sympathy on september 12, 2001? Nobody was interested in harboring terrorists. Really.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "ended". most of us special forces seem to still be deployed in Afghanistan. As far as the REAL war on terror goes, pakistan keeps offering to allow more troops and the cia into the north, but the us keeps declining.
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let's say this is about 3% of the total reason for war... 45 us troops died for PR. sounds retarded.
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o get rid of a few terrorists or terrorist camps (mostly for a feather in the cap reasons, and to be able to tell the public that they are making progress in the "War on Terror"),
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see above.
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There always were, and always will be crackpot dictators. who cares? they were a stable government, willing to play ball with us policies. what more do we require?
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o getting rid of the burden and risk of policing the no-fly-zones (that jet fuel can get expensive)
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That occupation can cost a whole lot more.
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o prove the UN's oil for food program was not working (turned out to be much worse than that)
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Investegators are cheap. Oil for food was all public record, nobody went to look what was going on until well after the fact. It's good that the corruption was discovered, but with that sort of thing, it's only a matter of time, the greedy get more greedy, and screw up.
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Originally Posted by RiverMonkey
o Bush really believes in Manifest Destiny. He genuinely believes that the US has an obligation to spread freedom. Now, I'd love to ask him how he chooses where to do and not do this!!! I really don't think this idea its just 100% window-dressing.
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Manifest Destiny is the idea that the US is destined to spread to the pacific. Thus it was ok to conquer mexico and the indians. If President Bush was annexing Iraq as a territory of the US i'd be a lot more enthusiastic about blowing cash there. But that's not his mission. he claims to want to set up an Iraqi democracy, and leave them in peace.
I think it's kicking an anthill. I think it's the united states' job to lead by example. to be the shining city on a hill, as an inspiration for the rest of the world. Let people immigrate and work hard. We can deal with forign nations on whatever terms we wish, but meddling in their internal affairs is foolish. Controling thier internal affairs by force is folly.
I'm just some guy y'know. he's rich, he went to an ivy league school. He's charming, and clever. I just don't think he's right. My risk of being killed by a terrorist is much less than winning the lottery. Sure, there are terrorists, and i'm sure their evil, i'm willing to allow lots of my money to be spent on catching them. The other nonsense with the "axis of evil" sounds silly to me though.
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Noooooooooooooooo!!
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