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Old 04-01-2008, 07:35 PM     Post subject: ilikeaces86 Endorses McCain! #1 (permalink)  
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http://www.johnmccain.com/Undecided/WhyMcCain.htm

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"Both promise big 'change.' And a trillion dollars in new taxes over the next decade would certainly fit that description," McCain said. Playing on the title of an Obama book, McCain added: "All these tax increases are the fine print under the slogan of 'hope:' They're going to raise your taxes by thousands of dollars per year — and they have the audacity to hope you don't mind."
 
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Get out of Iraq = save monies. Problem solved.
 
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war vs. healthcare is basically what it all comes down to
 
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Get out of Iraq = save monies. Problem solved.
If only it were that simple.

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It's pretty wack that we continue to spend money and what's infinitely worse.. put our troops' lives in danger out of fear of what MIGHT happen if we get out of the retarded mess we put ourselves into...

I'm guesssing bad shit will happen if we cut and run, but what's the EV of staying vs. leaving? You'd think after 5+ years, hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands of dead americans we'd have something that would obviously show that there was an end in sight.

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LOL @ not getting the fuck out of Iraq
LOL @ still not realizing you should not have there in the first place, and that every life wasted there was, is, and will continue to be one too many
LOL @ fearing to pay taxes, whereas if you continue printing money to finance petty wargames, your inflation will rival that of Zimbabwe's, and then you would not have to worry about paying taxes anyway


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Get out of Iraq = save monies. Problem solved.
If only it were that simple.

Also, what will said.

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if instead of financing war and catering to the fright of the masses, our govt heavily financed the sciences we would probably be about twice as advanced as we are now with shit like clean unlimited nuclear fusion and virtual reality and probably SEX BOTSSSSS
 
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i actually watched that video and laughed really hard when it said narrated by sean penn.
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Man. Youvgot to tjink about this. poltic talk on te TR community is obly going ot lead to argument.s Are you trying to syart an argunent? you need to thin about you're motivation in making a pos tlie this!!

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are you just totally hammered out of your mind or forgot how to type. and is the last bit supposed to say, "and im british so im apathetic?
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Listening to Hilary and Obama debate I want to pull out my hair. They throw around rhetoric about how they are going to fix everything and start all these great programs and provide healthcare etc.. etc... etc........... going on and on. Where the hell is all this money going to come from? Obviously taxes will be raised. At the minimum they will allow the Bush tax cuts to expire and which will in and of itself act as a tax increase of massive proportions. I would like to hear you liberals thoughts on your taxes going way up to pay for all the social programs the democratic canidates propose.
 
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Listening to Hilary and Obama debate I want to pull out my hair. They throw around rhetoric about how they are going to fix everything and start all these great programs and provide healthcare etc.. etc... etc........... going on and on. Where the hell is all this money going to come from? Obviously taxes will be raised. At the minimum they will allow the Bush tax cuts to expire and which will in and of itself act as a tax increase of massive proportions. I would like to hear you liberals thoughts on your taxes going way up to pay for all the social programs the democratic canidates propose.
#1 - The Iraq war costs the US $341 million per day.

#2 - The US tax code is so screwed up that people making between $100 and $200k actually pay the highest rate, even though on paper it should be people making over $500k. Simplify the tax code, close loopholes, revenues will increase.

#3 - We pay lower taxes than almost any developed nation and I don't mind paying more (especially on capital gains) if it means universal health care. We rank 28th in the world in infant mortality rate. Absurd.

#4 - The Iraq war costs the US $341 million per day.
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#4 - The Iraq war costs the US $341 million per day.
how many dead americans per year does that equate to again?
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Obama Will Cost You

"Of the three candidates, Obama has promised to cost you the most money.

He has promised to raise your taxes back to the 2000 level. This means that if you have a taxable single income of $32,000 you'll pay about $1200 more in income taxes. If you're a comfortable married couple with a double income that comes out to a taxable income of 80k (comfortable, but hardly rich), you'll pay $4k more.

Of course he says he's going to tax the rich but the middle and lower-middle class will get hurt the most in relative terms.

He has also promised to lift the cap on FICA. What a deal! So, for instance, let's say you are that comfortable yet hardly rich married couple with gross earnings of $140k combined.

In 2008, you will pay approximately $12,900 in FICA (half of it paid through your employer, half of it paid through withholding).

Under Obama you'll pay another 6K or so, and that's before you start paying your now-increased income tax on the AGI.

But he won't stop there, he's got bigger plans for you! See, you are one of the "rich" if you're not starving, so obviously when you sit back and earn money with your investments, you should be punished.

What better way to do this than to double the capital gains tax!

Not only will you be paying 30% on your gains instead of 15%, but obviously your holdings will take a huge hit once he gets the bill passed as people unwind their holdings. He's going to chop your actual assets and then tax you more on any of it that is sold at a profit.

Think you're protected in your IRA? Not so fast. Most of you are holding mutual funds in your IRA and those funds must pay capital gains tax on their internal holdings as they change positions. Even though you won't be paying capital gains on the actual increase in the mutual fund shares, your mutual fund shares will grow less because the fund is paying double cap gains on every transaction it makes.

Woohoo! If you are middle class or god forbid you are middle class with a small cushion of disposable income, Obama will cost you only 20 or 30k a year!

Yes we can! Hope and change baby. "
 
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good post aces. obama is pretty much the most liberal person in congress.
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I don't know where the 2+2 poster got their information but...

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He has promised to raise your taxes back to the 2000 level.
Obama has only proposed repealing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%. Bush cut the top four tax brackets by 3% each, so Obama would KEEP the bottom three cuts. Bush inherited a budget surplus and quickly proposed tax cuts and spending plans that resulted in record budget deficits. Our national debt will be $5 trillion more when Bush leaves office than when he came in. Even John McCain vehemently opposed Bush's tax cuts and voted against them! Now that he's in the pocket of corporate America he's for them of course.

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He has also promised to lift the cap on FICA.
He hasn't promised this, but he's said that he won't rule it out. In any case, why should there be a cap on FICA? It's a tax like any other, why should it only apply to the poor and middle class? The argument that they're the only ones who get social security is bullshit because there's no earmarked social security trust fund. Congress has been stealing money from FICA for years, so the money that comes out of your paycheck goes directly to the old people who live down the street. The whole FICA program is a sham, it should just be called what it is: a tax on lower and middle class Americans to pay for welfare for the elderly. It needs to be fixed in a bad way, but in the meantime I say uncap it completely! The rich will cry so much and send so much $ to Washington that maybe the stupid system will get fixed.

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Not only will you be paying 30% on your gains instead of 15%
Again, not sure what the source was, but last week Obama said in an interview that he would consider raising the capital gains tax to 20-25%. Again, this is just another partial repealing of a Bush tax cut. And it's another tax that disproportionately affects the wealthy. Do you think multi-billionaires who continue to make millions of dollars a year buying and selling equities should pay taxes at a lower rate than people making $100,000? I don't.

edit: oops, Obama interview was last month not last week
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I would like to hear you liberals thoughts on your taxes going way up to pay for all the social programs the democratic canidates propose.
I don't like losing money, but whatever, it pays for help for the people who need it and helps heal the class divide bullshit.

Quality healthcare should be a right.


Having said that, I have very little knowledge of the US system (beyond Sicko LOL) so should my views come across as ignorant please show me the light
 
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fairtax ftw
I'm actually all for it. Anything that would simplify our ridiculously complicated tax code would be an improvement. I think a national sales tax (i.e. fairtax) combined with a low capital gains tax (~20%) and a low, flat income tax on upper-income wage earners (~20% on incomes over ~$300k) would be simple, fair and provide all the revenues we need.
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I would like to hear you liberals thoughts on your taxes going way up to pay for all the social programs the democratic canidates propose.
I don't like losing money, but whatever, it pays for help for the people who need it and helps heal the class divide bullshit.

Quality healthcare should be a right.


Having said that, I have very little knowledge of the US system (beyond Sicko LOL) so should my views come across as ignorant please show me the light
Who determines who is in "need" of help. It is not the role of the government to decide who should pay taxes to subsidize others but rather thier role is to provide a free marke atmosopher in which entrepreneurs can thrive and grow our economy.
 
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I would like to hear you liberals thoughts on your taxes going way up to pay for all the social programs the democratic canidates propose.
I don't like losing money, but whatever, it pays for help for the people who need it and helps heal the class divide bullshit.

Quality healthcare should be a right.


Having said that, I have very little knowledge of the US system (beyond Sicko LOL) so should my views come across as ignorant please show me the light
Who determines who is in "need" of help. It is not the role of the government to decide who should pay taxes to subsidize others but rather thier role is to provide a free marke atmosopher in which entrepreneurs can thrive and grow our economy.
right. it is not the role of a capitalist government (which America is supposed to be). it is the role of a socialist government, which obama and hillary are apparently in love with.
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I would like to hear you liberals thoughts on your taxes going way up to pay for all the social programs the democratic canidates propose.
I don't like losing money, but whatever, it pays for help for the people who need it and helps heal the class divide bullshit.

Quality healthcare should be a right.


Having said that, I have very little knowledge of the US system (beyond Sicko LOL) so should my views come across as ignorant please show me the light
Who determines who is in "need" of help. It is not the role of the government to decide who should pay taxes to subsidize others but rather thier role is to provide a free marke atmosopher in which entrepreneurs can thrive and grow our economy.
right. it is not the role of a capitalist government (which America is supposed to be). it is the role of a socialist government, which obama and hillary are apparently in love with.
I thought the USA were a democracy?
 
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Taxation is theft. I can't believe so many see it as a good thing.
Without taxation you cannot have anything public. Without anything public, whatever services you may need (yes, even cops) will fall in private hands.
DUC where I'm going?

Now, that particular country which we are reffering to here has gotten itself so deep down the rabbit hole because of recent, ahem, happenings, that there is no way to crawl out of it other than tax the hell out of the people (they would still not have as high tax levels as you Scandies) and get out of Iraq, a pointless war (depending upon who you ask) which has no end in sight, or clear "victory" terms.

The other solution would be to start printing money like there is no tomorrow to start covering whatever deficits there have to be covered. Now, US money is not backed by gold, it is backed by trust (like the Euro). So, lose trust in the currency and its value plummets, while trust in other world currencies (like the Euro) increases.
Once the value plummets (fully), the last thing you will be thinking about will be about paying your taxes.
What Mccain offers is Solution B; he offers an ineffective amnesty, and lowering taxes for the rich and wealthy (WTF? Caps? If you are rich and can afford, you should help carry the burden. You have what in Dutch they call "draagkracht", or carry power if literally translated. There is a point in which all you need is covered. Stop making money if you do not want to pay up, or make less on purpose).
Plus he states that "we will stay in Iraq for as long as necessary" (AT A COST OF $341M PER FUCKING DAY! WARS DO COST MONEY, YOU KNOW
This ineffective amnesty, and turning away from the problem, will only compound it with others, which in turn, will make Mad Max will be proud of the remains of the country.


Wake up and smell the fucking coffee, damned! There is real shit going on out there!



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About saying "universal healthcare is teh evil" is purely and simply an ignorant and selfish thing to say. Pray to God you never find yourself in a situation where you'll need it.
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And yes, Scandinavia does have fucking high levels of taxes. I wonder how the crime, education, financial and health levels are over there?
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Without taxation you cannot have anything public. Without anything public, whatever services you may need (yes, even cops) will fall in private hands.
DUC where I'm going?
I didn't say abolish taxes. I do think they're morally wrong though and they should definitely be kept to a minimum.

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Now, that particular country which we are reffering to here has gotten itself so deep down the rabbit hole because of recent, ahem, happenings, that there is no way to crawl out of it other than tax the hell out of the people (they would still not have as high tax levels as you Scandies) and get out of Iraq, a pointless war (depending upon who you ask) which has no end in sight, or clear "victory" terms.
The only long term solution they have is to cut gouverment spendings. Higher taxes is not going to do shit for the economy.

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The other solution would be to start printing money like there is no tomorrow to start covering whatever deficits there have to be covered.
Start? It's basically what they're already doing, and they show no sign of stopping.

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Now, US money is not backed by gold, it is backed by trust (like the Euro). So, lose trust in the currency and its value plummets, while trust in other world currencies (like the Euro) increases.
Once the value plummets (fully), the last thing you will be thinking about will be about paying your taxes.
What Mccain offers is Solution B; he offers an ineffective amnesty, and lowering taxes for the rich and wealthy (WTF? Caps? If you are rich and can afford, you should help carry the burden. You have what in Dutch they call "draagkracht", or carry power if literally translated. There is a point in which all you need is covered. Stop making money if you do not want to pay up, or make less on purpose).
I agree that the amnesty will be very ineffective unless it's combined with cuts in gouverment spending. I really disagree that richer people should carry more of the burden though. You really should be more grateful towards the rich (some of them at least). Basically everything you own, has been created by other people pursuing their own economic interests. Here's the thing, in capitalism the only way to make money is to provide something that someone else wants. In order to get very rich you need to fill the needs of very many. Let the people have the money and they'll be able to provide so much more wealth than the gouverment ever will. The gouverment is actually totally incapable of creating wealth. It only redistributes it.

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Plus he states that "we will stay in Iraq for as long as necessary" (AT A COST OF $341M PER FUCKING DAY! WARS DO COST MONEY, YOU KNOW
I do think McCain sucks though (probably more than the democrats) so no argument here.

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This ineffective amnesty, and turning away from the problem, will only compound it with others, which in turn, will make Mad Max will be proud of the remains of the country.


Wake up and smell the fucking coffee, damned! There is real shit going on out there!



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About saying "universal healthcare is teh evil" is purely and simply an ignorant and selfish thing to say. Pray to God you never find yourself in a situation where you'll need it.
I pray to god I don't ever have to use the socialized swedish healthcare system. It's chaos. People are dying in the line waiting to get help. You'd think the world's highest taxes should be able to provide a better service.
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i am so sick and tired of hearing this crap about how republicans tax cuts only appeal to the rich, when the rich pay most the $ from tax revenue. democrats are the ones that fuck the poor.
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i am so sick and tired of hearing this crap about how republicans tax cuts only appeal to the rich, when the rich pay most the $ from tax revenue. democrats are the ones that fuck the poor.
wat?

do you understand the benefits of a balanced distribution of wealth? Do you understand the cataclysmic downfalls of an unbalanced distribution of wealth?
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i am so sick and tired of hearing this crap about how republicans tax cuts only appeal to the rich, when the rich pay most the $ from tax revenue. democrats are the ones that fuck the poor.
wat?

do you understand the benefits of a balanced distribution of wealth? Do you understand the cataclysmic downfalls of an unbalanced distribution of wealth?

Hint: Think USSR
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i am so sick and tired of hearing this crap about how republicans tax cuts only appeal to the rich, when the rich pay most the $ from tax revenue. democrats are the ones that fuck the poor.
wat?

do you understand the benefits of a balanced distribution of wealth? Do you understand the cataclysmic downfalls of an unbalanced distribution of wealth?

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Hint: I said balanced
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i am so sick and tired of hearing this crap about how republicans tax cuts only appeal to the rich, when the rich pay most the $ from tax revenue. democrats are the ones that fuck the poor.
wat?

do you understand the benefits of a balanced distribution of wealth? Do you understand the cataclysmic downfalls of an unbalanced distribution of wealth?

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Hint: I said balanced
Hint: what do you think communists are all about?
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i am so sick and tired of hearing this crap about how republicans tax cuts only appeal to the rich, when the rich pay most the $ from tax revenue. democrats are the ones that fuck the poor.
wat?

do you understand the benefits of a balanced distribution of wealth? Do you understand the cataclysmic downfalls of an unbalanced distribution of wealth?

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Hint: I said balanced
Hint: what do you think communists are all about?
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jesus.. I dont get how communism has to equal balanced distribution of wealth. if capitalism and communism are polar opposites, why is it that you both are coming to the conclusion that communism is the point of balance? I didnt say evenly distributed wealth, I said balanced distribution of wealth.
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so like, 33% rich, 34% middle class, 33% poor? if thats not what you mean you are going to have to elaborate.
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jesus.. I dont get how communism has to equal balanced distribution of wealth. if capitalism and communism are polar opposites, why is it that you both are coming to the conclusion that communism is the point of balance? I didnt say evenly distributed wealth, I said balanced distribution of wealth.
Sorry, my misunderstanding,
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I am not a social science major, and I havent done any sort of complex data analysis to reach any sort of numbers. But the point that Im trying to make is that its a fact that a high concentration of a populations wealth is held by a small minority of that population, things are not stable.

Someone mentioned that poor people should be more grateful to rich people since they are providing goods and services for the poor. Well Im not sure if you had your head stuck too far up your ass to notice but its a symbiotic relationship. And when this relationship gets out of whack, we have french revolutions.
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