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If Obama wins the primary and loses the general election this is what will happen:
After he loses there will be an uproar and liberals (jesse jackson and al sharpton) will claim that America is still racist and hates black people. Liberals will also claim that America is not ready to accept black people into American culture and that blacks are not treated as equals in American society (which may very well be true, but I don't think that'll be the reason Obama loses, if he does lose.)
They will also claim that McCain got a free pass and that any attack ad that was run by McCain focused on the race of the candidate so on and so forth.
They will have forgotten that any attack ad would have been run regardless of Obama's race because general elections are just mud slinging.
If he wins the primary and loses the general election, I will TTT this and see if it turns out to be true. I just need somewhere to put my amazing prediction.
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oh you forgot the part about mccain rigging the election.
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If it comes down to Florida, the Dems will argue that the voters who were disenfranchised during the primaries did not come out to vote again, thus giving the state to the repubs.
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anyone saying florida dems were disenfranchised don't know about politics
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I think by definition they were disenfranchised (or will be disenfranchised). The reason why their votes won't count for the primary is pretty much through their own parties stupidity, I'd love to say tough luck, because that's what logic dictates, but, It's someones right to vote. Pretty much the only real right you will ever have in America.
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its fucking stupid to let states like iowa and new hampshire help dictate the outcome of the primaries. i agree vqc that it is the parties own fault for having a crappy system. they should make states like texas, california, florida first, and leave states like iowa and new hampshire towards the end. imo, it was howard dean on an ego trip with the whole florida and michigan not counting.
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The #1 reason one should be worried about McCain is because he'll get to appoint 3 supreme court members. That will have a more lasting effect than anything else over the 4 years.
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I thought that Democrats were a shoe in for the federal election because Bush is a republican. Maybe Hildog supporters will run to McCain because they have been against Obama this whole time.
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I thought that Democrats were a shoe in for the federal election because Bush is a republican. Maybe Hildog supporters will run to McCain because they have been against Obama this whole time.
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The same thing was assumed in 2004 and kerry choked on a fat cock. He had the election and chose to lose it.
Here's hoping the islams have drawn enough racial attention away from the blacks.
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The #1 reason one should be worried about McCain is because he'll get to appoint 3 supreme court members. That will have a more lasting effect than anything else over the 4 years.
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Scalia might have the most sound, logical arguments, but sometimes the court just needs someone like O'Connor who makes shit up on the fly but the result is one that follows your gut.
More importantly is my prediction. If Obama loses, America = Racist.
O ya, if Obama wins, Repubs come out and say "Obama wins because America was too afraid of looking racist," which sadly, may also be true.
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racism has transformed from violent bigotry to being more passive and everyone is scared of being called a racist if they say something "controversial". theres a huge double standard going on, and im really fucking sick of it. obv there are really unintelligent bigots still, but that will never change. people like jackson, wright, and sharpton make me sick to my stomach, because they make everything about race. the same people (not just blacks) that complain about how racist america is and blah blah, are the same people that make everything an issue of race.
that was kind of an incoherent rant cause im really tired, but i think you get my point
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Why do people talk politics on FTR? These discussions never seem to get anywhere 
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Why do people talk politics on FTR? These discussions never seem to get anywhere |
This one wasn't supposed to get anywhere. I just need a place to put my prediction.
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umm where im from black people are more racist towards whites... there like hey cracka what you think your doing, and im like uhhh
and also i believe with this post, i think a lot of people will actually vote ONLY because the fact that hillary is a female and obama is black etc... like I feel a lot of people wont even bother to figure out whats actually going on and vote for them because these dumb liberals feel we need a change etc...
btw i still think obama is a cover up, and if he is elected president jeremiah wright will sit as his right hand man (anarchist?)
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btw i still think obama is a cover up, and if he is elected president jeremiah wright will sit as his right hand man (anarchist?)
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Okay, you said this once and I thought it was a level. But twice? If you seriously believe this you need help.
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This one wasn't supposed to get anywhere. I just need a place to put my prediction. |
this says it all...
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btw i still think obama is a cover up, and if he is elected president jeremiah wright will sit as his right hand man (anarchist?)
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Okay, you said this once and I thought it was a level. But twice? If you seriously believe this you need help. |
teh rev wright situation is fairly simple. obama doesnt believe the same crap that he does, although i suppose its remotely possible. the only question is why did you stay in his church for 20 years, and why did you lie and say you didnt know he was saying those hateful things. if you expect me to believe that you didnt know your pastor hates white people after 20 years, thats bullshit.
its pretty obvious to me that he stayed there to jump start his political career, because wright has a big influence in the black community in chicago.
also, i think rev wright is a scamster just like any cult leader. why does he have a 10k square foot house, and drive around in a benz, when there are poor black people with kids that im sure could use a hand. not to mention that his house is surrounded by only rich white people by a country club.
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05-09-2008, 02:36 PM
Post subject: Re: If Obama wins the primary and loses the general election
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If Obama wins the primary and loses the general election this is what will happen:
After he loses there will be an uproar and liberals (jesse jackson and al sharpton) will claim that America is still racist and hates black people. Liberals will also claim that America is not ready to accept black people into American culture and that blacks are not treated as equals in American society (which may very well be true, but I don't think that'll be the reason Obama loses, if he does lose.)
They will also claim that McCain got a free pass and that any attack ad that was run by McCain focused on the race of the candidate so on and so forth.
They will have forgotten that any attack ad would have been run regardless of Obama's race because general elections are just mud slinging.
If he wins the primary and loses the general election, I will TTT this and see if it turns out to be true. I just need somewhere to put my amazing prediction.
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I hope that all of the above happens.
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The #1 reason one should be worried about McCain is because he'll get to appoint 3 supreme court members. That will have a more lasting effect than anything else over the 4 years.
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Which is exactly my #1 worry about Obama.
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Meanwhile, on the McCain endorsers front:
Ralph Parsley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbIGJrDkg
John Hagee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q
and so on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QDr_3bbTmg&NR=1
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So what? None of these guys was McCain's pastor for one day, not to mention 20 years.
By the way, Obama this week was endorsed by the leader of Hamas. (You can Google that I think.) There's a ringing endorsement for ya.
(Edit: Sorry, actually it was about 3 weeks ago. http://cameron.blogs.foxnews.com/200...lem-for-obama/)
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im curious, did mccain sit in his church for 20 years? did mccain dedicate any books to hagee? its fair to complain about it, but its not the same as obama/wright. if wright had just endorsed obama, and thats all, i doubt it wouldve raised this much attention. im sure it wouldve attracted some, just like mccain/hagee, but not even close to as much. it wouldnt be an issue.
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god damnit deacon.
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god damnit deacon.
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lol what took you so long?
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god damnit deacon.
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im curious, did mccain sit in his church for 20 years? did mccain dedicate any books to hagee? its fair to complain about it, but its not the same as obama/wright. if wright had just endorsed obama, and thats all, i doubt it wouldve raised this much attention. im sure it wouldve attracted some, just like mccain/hagee, but not even close to as much. it wouldnt be an issue. |
McCain actively sought and has said he's proud of his endorsement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od-Gx6JmnoU&NR=1
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You dont get anywhere in politics as a young black man in chicago without a little race anger in you. Thats just how chicagos democrats are. They want a little Sharpton. Obama knew this and 20 years ago he used rev. wright as his anger. Do I think obama believes any of the shit wright spouts? I doubt it. He just had no reason to leave. It still worked for him, up until now. He needed to a ingratiate himself with someone like that for political reasons. Thats just how the game is played. But this time it bit him in the ass because he tried to play both sides. I cant really blame him. The association with wright got him to where he was, he knew it and so did wright and so did everyone in illinois. It would be a big slap in the face to his constituents to dump him at the first sign of trouble. That would be just as big of a bad story.
I don't hold obama to it any more than i hold it against the myriad of politicians who say "While I'm PERSONALLY against abortion and I would NEVER have one, I think it should be legal". Thats horseshit and we all know it. Its just political expediency. Every party and every candidate does it. Its bullshit but thats the way the game is played.
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please, keith olberman is such a terrible anchor. unbelievably biased. he really put a nice spin on what he said. he says, "friday mccain said that hagey supports what i stand for and believe in", then later mccain said,"its simply not accurate to say that just because somebody endorses me, that i embrace their views."
simply put, just because hagey supports some of what mccain believes, does not mean that mccain supports what hagey believes. you are basically saying oh well look at mccain he is the same as barack, but you arent hammering him. well, like i said before, mccain wasnt in hageys church for 20 years, was wed by him, or claimed he didnt know hagey was a racist.
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This is a key difference.
I actually don't dislike McCain... I used to like him alot.. but I think in the past 8 years he's sold out on enough issues (i.e. supporting Bush in '04 when it looked like he was dieing inside at the RNC) that I lost a lot of respect for him.
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Idk dude anyone who worked on sportscenter is alright in my book
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racism has transformed from violent bigotry to being more passive and everyone is scared of being called a racist if they say something "controversial". theres a huge double standard going on, and im really fucking sick of it. obv there are really unintelligent bigots still, but that will never change. people like jackson, wright, and sharpton make me sick to my stomach, because they make everything about race. the same people (not just blacks) that complain about how racist america is and blah blah, are the same people that make everything an issue of race.
that was kind of an incoherent rant cause im really tired, but i think you get my point
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Idk dude anyone who worked on sportscenter is alright in my book
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lol i forgot he used to work for espn. imo, skip bayless would be better than olberman as a news commentator.
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You dont get anywhere in politics as a young black man in chicago without a little race anger in you. Thats just how chicagos democrats are. They want a little Sharpton. Obama knew this and 20 years ago he used rev. wright as his anger. Do I think obama believes any of the shit wright spouts? I doubt it. He just had no reason to leave. It still worked for him, up until now. He needed to a ingratiate himself with someone like that for political reasons. Thats just how the game is played. But this time it bit him in the ass because he tried to play both sides. I cant really blame him. The association with wright got him to where he was, he knew it and so did wright and so did everyone in illinois. It would be a big slap in the face to his constituents to dump him at the first sign of trouble. That would be just as big of a bad story.
I don't hold obama to it any more than i hold it against the myriad of politicians who say "While I'm PERSONALLY against abortion and I would NEVER have one, I think it should be legal". Thats horseshit and we all know it. Its just political expediency. Every party and every candidate does it. Its bullshit but thats the way the game is played.
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hey, whadda ya know? I completely agree with you.
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So the other day I was riding my bike home. I was sitting at a corner waiting on a shit ton of traffic and a dude turns, stops and says something to me. I roll over to this pimped out cadie, black dude in front seat decked out in nice pimp clothes. And asks for directions. I start telling him which way to go and he turns to look (why do people do this?) and I notice a huge crossish tattoo on his neck, so he's turned back an notices me staring. We clarify the directions and he moves on.
Q: Are you allowed to stare at neck tattoos? Or am I just being really white?
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crossish?
I think I need this word clarified to give an accurate response.
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This is a key difference.
I actually don't dislike McCain... I used to like him alot.. but I think in the past 8 years he's sold out on enough issues (i.e. supporting Bush in '04 when it looked like he was dieing inside at the RNC) that I lost a lot of respect for him. |
What exactly do you want him to do? If he didnt suck the RNCs dick he wouldnt be running for president. At least now he's being more sincere. He's telling the republicans to suck his dick on the immigration issue, for one.
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So what? None of these guys was McCain's pastor for one day, not to mention 20 years.
By the way, Obama this week was endorsed by the leader of Hamas. (You can Google that I think.) There's a ringing endorsement for ya.
(Edit: Sorry, actually it was about 3 weeks ago. http://cameron.blogs. foxnews.com/2008/04/16/a-hamas-problem-for-obama/) |
Oh, and by the FARC, and by the separatist group ETA, and by the KKK's black division (super secret ones), the Sunni and Shiite sects, by Oliver Cromwell, by Saddam Hussein's (who also happens to be his distant third cousin, hence they share the name) corpse, by the Kurdish People, by Marcus Garvey's reincarnation, by Tupac Amaru, not to mention by Jeremiah "God Damn America" "20 Years" Wright, and of course by the FBI top ten most wanted list, with special endorsement by Osama (who is his other 4th distant cousin, hence the similar names) himself.
Did I forget any other Obama endorser? Damn, I guess I'll change the channel to Fox and see who I forgot.
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I'm pretty sick and tired of listening to this exchange.
Bla bla bla bla Obama bla bla bla.
Bla bla bla 20Years bla bla bla bl a??
Why the hell does "20 Years" always have to come up in the next sentence?
Its kinda like the hip thing to say, to "show others" you know something about politics (HA!)
Whenever you run out of arguments, throw in "20 years", makes instantly for an argument.
"So I went to the ice cream shop the other day, and I saw this niceass chick standing next to an Obama poster."
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wow did you just pull everything you just said out of your ass jack? wtf are you talking about?
you need a reality check. its fine if you think that fox leans towards conservatism, because it does, but they are soooooo much more fair than msnbc and cnn. those channels are a fucking joke. just look at their ratings.
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So what? None of these guys was McCain's pastor for one day, not to mention 20 years.
By the way, Obama this week was endorsed by the leader of Hamas. (You can Google that I think.) There's a ringing endorsement for ya.
(Edit: Sorry, actually it was about 3 weeks ago. http://cameron.blogs. foxnews.com/2008/04/16/a-hamas-problem-for-obama/) |
Oh, and by the FARC, and by the separatist group ETA, and by the KKK's black division (super secret ones), the Sunni and Shiite sects, by Oliver Cromwell, by Saddam Hussein's (who also happens to be his distant third cousin, hence they share the name) corpse, by the Kurdish People, by Marcus Garvey's reincarnation, by Tupac Amaru, not to mention by Jeremiah "God Damn America" "20 Years" Wright, and of course by the FBI top ten most wanted list, with special endorsement by Osama (who is his other 4th distant cousin, hence the similar names) himself.
Did I forget any other Obama endorser? Damn, I guess I'll change the channel to Fox and see who I forgot. |
LOL.
Instead of reporting that Hamas wanted Obama to win the election, CNN reported that "McCain camp says Hamas wants Obama."
Fox news tilts you so hard=)
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they took their votes away....how is that not being disenfranchised?
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wow did you just pull everything you just said out of your ass jack? wtf are you talking about?
you need a reality check. its fine if you think that fox leans towards conservatism, because it does, but they are soooooo much more fair than msnbc and cnn. those channels are a fucking joke. just look at their ratings.
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wow did you just pull everything you just said out of your ass jack? wtf are you talking about?
you need a reality check. its fine if you think that fox leans towards conservatism, because it does, but they are soooooo much more fair than msnbc and cnn. those channels are a fucking joke. just look at their ratings.
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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4-of-a-Kind
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hey, i wasnt the one that brought it up. he was the one who highlighted foxnews in size 30 font.
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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I think by definition they were disenfranchised (or will be disenfranchised).
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they took their votes away....how is that not being disenfranchised? |
I think he means disenfranchised from the actual election.
When I said disenfranchised, I meant for the process of choosing their parties candidate. As far as I know disenfranchisement can occur for anything that requires voting.
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wow did you just pull everything you just said out of your ass jack? wtf are you talking about?
you need a reality check. its fine if you think that fox leans towards conservatism, because it does, but they are soooooo much more fair than msnbc and cnn. those channels are a fucking joke. just look at their ratings.
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I'm not going to get mixed up in some interwebs politics argument, but really? Can you really compare Wolf Blitzer and Anderson Cooper to Bill O'reilly and Sean Hannity? C'mon....
Fox has ratings because they pander to a certain audience who want to hear a skewed point of view. CNN is a news station, even if their anchors are mostly liberal it's reporting is pretty fair. They run democrats through the mud every chance they get just as much if not more so than republicans.
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<Staxalax> I want everyone to put my quote in their sigs
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Why do people talk politics ? These discussions never seem to get anywhere |
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Why do people talk ?
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FY FYP !!
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