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I was chilling in the car at a stoplight today and this sketchy-looking guy walked up beside the car standing on the side of the road and I reacted by locking my doors. Then I realized he was black and wondered if I would have done it if he was white.
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Then you realized he was black? After you locked the doors?
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Then you realized he was black? After you locked the doors?
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it could easily have been an unconscious or subconscious reaction to his blackness
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Then you realized he was black? After you locked the doors?
STFU next question
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it could easily have been an unconscious or subconscious reaction to his blackness |
Too deep for a retarded question.
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Then you realized he was black? After you locked the doors?
STFU next question
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it could easily have been an unconscious or subconscious reaction to his blackness |
I thought this was implied in my OP, and is at the center of my question.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Then you realized he was black? After you locked the doors?
STFU next question
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it could easily have been an unconscious or subconscious reaction to his blackness |
Too deep for a retarded question. |
Too much not a question for a retarded question.
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Of course spoon's racist. Doesn't he live in like...something Carolina?
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Of course spoon's racist. Doesn't he live in like...the USA
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Sry, I'm drunk and it zeamed like a fun FYP at tghe time.
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You described him as "sketchy-looking" before you noticed his ethnicity. The question you need to ask yourself, spoon, is "Was he sketchy-looking because he's black or would he have been sketchy-looking regardless of skin color?"
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You described him as "sketchy-looking" before you noticed his ethnicity. The question you need to ask yourself, spoon, is "Was he sketchy-looking because he's black or would he have been sketchy-looking regardless of skin color?"
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See that's the thing because I'm not sure. It would be easy to just say "well yeah he would be sketchy-looking regardless of the color of his skin" but that would be anyone's reaction.
Adding to my frustration in analyzing this, I don't have much of a sample size because it's actually fairly rare for someone to be standing waiting to cross a street at a stoplight here. When I lived in Raleigh I kept my doors locked all the time so I never thought about it when I would have had a large sample.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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spoon, no way to answer your question other than to say theres about a 90% chance yours was a racist reaction. I base this 90% figure on the following:
-you live in north carolina
-your family is (iirc) racist
-every family in your circle is (iirc) racist
-living in that environment will cause you to be at least a little racist, whether you like it or not
that said, theres really not that much wrong with what you did. It's the same reason why racial profiling should be ok in airport security.
It's a sad fact that a really significant % of the black people who are walking the streets of north carolina are poor, uneducated, and have rap sheets.
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is 'rilla racist if he blacks out?
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It's a sad fact that a really significant % of the black people who are walking the streets of north carolina are poor, uneducated, and have rap sheets.
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That could be said about everyone else in North Carolina as well.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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my friend lives in north carolina and he uses the word nigger so much that I can't stop saying it now
I stub my toe and I go "NIGGERS!"
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i dunno but your attitude toward Jack Sawyer is terrible.
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is 'rilla racist if he blacks out?
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i dont see colour!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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i dunno but your attitude toward Jack Sawyer is terrible.
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For those who might read this and not get the reference, what DaddyDeez said here was a dwarfman quote (and totally ridiculous).
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I like to know the motives behind my own actions.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Chances are that you're all racists, be you white, black, yellow or pink. Ever heard of implicit assosiation testing (IAT)? In this instance implicit=unconcious.
Go to https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ and take the demonstration Race IAT. I bet youll be a little disgusted with yourself
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I like to know the motives behind my own actions. |
being titled a racist won't help in this regard.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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I like to know the motives behind my own actions. |
being titled a racist won't help in this regard. |
It's obviously not about the title.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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im not a racist....i own a color tv.
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Chances are that you're all racists, be you white, black, yellow or pink. Ever heard of implicit assosiation testing (IAT)? In this instance implicit=unconcious.
Go to https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ and take the demonstration Race IAT. I bet youll be a little disgusted with yourself |
This is easily one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Thanks for posting it.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Your data suggests a slight automatic preference for White people over Black people
Your data suggests a slight automatic preference for Barack Obama over John McCain
only cuz i messed up my fingers...waaaa.. ilove black people...
i loved a black girl
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Your data suggests a moderate automatic preference for White people over Black people
Your data suggest no difference in your automatic preferences for John McCain vs. Barack Obama
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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our data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American.
YAY I now know I indeed am not racist,
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Your data suggests a moderate automatic preference for White people over Black people
Your data suggest no difference in your automatic preferences for John McCain vs. Barack Obama
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These were my results too.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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being prejudice is human nature imo.
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being prejudice is human nature imo.
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not really that simple
I'd agree that xenophobia is innate. That is, fear is instinct. Hate is learned.
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Chances are that you're all racists, be you white, black, yellow or pink. Ever heard of implicit assosiation testing (IAT)? In this instance implicit=unconcious.
Go to https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ and take the demonstration Race IAT. I bet youll be a little disgusted with yourself |
This is easily one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Thanks for posting it. |
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Nothing actually changes in a poker game besides equity....
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being prejudice is human nature imo.
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not really that simple
I'd agree that xenophobia is innate. That is, fear is instinct. Hate is learned. |
Agreed.
However, both hate and fear can be unlearned.
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Nothing actually changes in a poker game besides equity....
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being prejudice is human nature imo.
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not really that simple
I'd agree that xenophobia is innate. That is, fear is instinct. Hate is learned. |
I agree completely.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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being prejudice is human nature imo.
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not really that simple
I'd agree that xenophobia is innate. That is, fear is instinct. Hate is learned. |
do you consider anything that is prejudice hate?
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being prejudice is human nature imo.
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not really that simple
I'd agree that xenophobia is innate. That is, fear is instinct. Hate is learned. |
do you consider anything that is prejudice hate? |
I don't think that's what he's saying.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Your data suggest a strong automatic preference for European American compared to African American.
but it was kind of whack because I got this order:
black/good vs. white/bad
and the second time I got
white/good vs. black/bad
I answered the second time faster because I was more familiar with the test so obviously it recorded a high preference for white
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11-24-2008, 11:36 AM
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I was chilling in the car at a stoplight today and this sketchy-looking guy walked up beside the car standing on the side of the road and I reacted by locking my doors. Then I realized he was black and wondered if I would have done it if he was white.
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No, you are not racist.
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Your data suggest no difference in your automatic preferences for White people vs. Black people
Your data suggest no difference in your automatic preferences for John McCain vs. Barack Obama
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Your data suggest a strong automatic preference for European American compared to African American.
but it was kind of whack because I got this order:
black/good vs. white/bad
and the second time I got
white/good vs. black/bad
I answered the second time faster because I was more familiar with the test so obviously it recorded a high preference for white
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This makes absolutely no sense [insert excuse here].
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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You say you might be racist like its a bad thing...
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is it not politically correct to mention that the black crime rate is significantly higher than the white crime rate? seems like a pretty logical, racially motivated (but not racist) explanation for the OP.
i dunno though, probably makes too much sense.
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Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for African American compared to European American.
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I like black people, neat
I did one earlier that was foreign vs. local and had a slight preference towards local. Who knows.
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is it not politically correct to mention that the black crime rate is significantly higher than the white crime rate? seems like a pretty logical, racially motivated (but not racist) explanation for the OP.
i dunno though, probably makes too much sense.
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The problem I see with this is that it wouldn't explain my actions in the first place since I don't have enough of a sample size in experience for this to be the underlying cause.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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I found the test incredibly difficult and I would never consider myself a racist.... It just seemed right to link good with white and that is a sickening result 
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is it not politically correct to mention that the black crime rate is significantly higher than the white crime rate? seems like a pretty logical, racially motivated (but not racist) explanation for the OP.
i dunno though, probably makes too much sense.
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The problem I see with this is that it wouldn't explain my actions in the first place since I don't have enough of a sample size in experience for this to be the underlying cause. |
Maybe you were brainwashed too much as a kid and it was a subconcious reaction, but when you have time and logically think it out, as in this thread, you come to a different conclusion. Or something like that.
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11-25-2008, 03:34 AM
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I was chilling in the car at a stoplight today and this sketchy-looking guy walked up beside the car standing on the side of the road and I reacted by locking my doors. Then I realized he was black and wondered if I would have done it if he was white.
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That's awfully broad for defining a racist, which is holding one race as superior based soley on color. I'm white with an adopted black daughter, and I would have locked my doors, too. It has nothing to do with black or white, but 'sketchy looking' always rings the 'better safe than sorry' bell.
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spoon, if I did the test again I'd answer faster every time than the first time I did it
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is it not politically correct to mention that the black crime rate is significantly higher than the white crime rate? seems like a pretty logical, racially motivated (but not racist) explanation for the OP.
i dunno though, probably makes too much sense.
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The problem I see with this is that it wouldn't explain my actions in the first place since I don't have enough of a sample size in experience for this to be the underlying cause. |
Maybe you were brainwashed too much as a kid and it was a subconcious reaction, but when you have time and logically think it out, as in this thread, you come to a different conclusion. Or something like that. |
I've had a lot of time to think about it, and the best I can come up with is that until I was in high school I had no black friends and had met less than 10 black people in my life. As I sit here, I can actually remember the first few black people I ever met and in what order because it was so rare. The thing is, it wasn't because I was actively kept from "the darkies" by my parents or something, there just weren't many around here at the time. In high school by the time I graduated there were probably 3-4 dozen black students and a black teacher, then in college I met a lot more. Since then I've had the normal range of experiences that someone would have with any particular demographic. I've had dozens of black friends and co-workers, messed around with a few black girls, had altercations with a few black guys, and some of my favorite/least favorite people I've ever met are black.
Anyway, the point I started off to make with this reply was that I think not being exposed to many black people in my childhood (and also being exposed to almost 100% white people) created this thing where I feel safer/have a preference for white people over black people. It seems similar to why I prefer living basically in the middle of nowhere instead of in or near an actual city, even though living closer to a big city has tons of advantages.
A lesser possibility that I just thought of as I typed that last sentence is that from about age 10 until age 19-20 I was a pretty serious tournament chess player, and this might have affected my preference for white over black in terms of word association since having white puts you at an advantage and having black puts you at a disadvantage and so on. I say in terms of word association because the terms white and black in chess are only used to specify who goes first and second (and the board orientation because of that, etc.) Even if the pieces are physically blue and green, they're still referred to as black and white.
Just some thoughts.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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