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Ok, point taken but I didn't mean they are literally the same offence.
What I'm saying is that if the authorities act retrospectively and ban players for some things (there are plenty, not just violent conduct) then it should also cover this.
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start retrospective banning for blatant diving, deliberate handballs that result in goals, voilent conduct eetc etc and we can start getting shizzle like this out of the game. |
slippery slope imo.
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i don't understand why it's being called a deliberate handball? does that even matter? if the ball flung up and happened to be hit by his hand, would it then be an accidental handball? would it be less punishable?
i'm not familiar with the rules, what is and isn't allowed? can you use your arms at all?
are the refs getting any heat for this or is everything just focused on this henry dude? i just don't understand, if a ref missed a huge call in nfl, foul in nba, etc, the ref would take all of the heat, not the player that committed the infraction.
what if this handball didn't have a proceeding goal? would this be causing so much of a ruckus? i highly doubt it, and it's the same thing.
bottom line, people shouldn't cheat, obv, it looks like it was accidental/instinctive to use your hand in that situation and if a player breaks the rules, it's the refs job to call it.
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This is nowhere close to being cheating, at least not purposefully. He was running, and while in his natural running motion the ball happened to be in the same spot as his hand (part of the reason why the refs didn't see it at full speed). The ball was going out of bounds so his natural instinct was to not let it go out of bounds, so he taps it to himself, and that's pretty much end of story. Illegal? Yes, but Henry didn't go out of his way to purposely screw Ireland over, it was an accident/instinctive play that the refs didn't see in real time.
Stuff like this "just happens" in sports. I once caught a foul ball in college that clearly bounced, but it was recorded as an out because the umpires were shielded from the play (by my body). Just about everyone in the stadium saw it except for the umpires, and that was all that mattered.
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It's why we need video decisions in the game, don't see the problem with it.
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Answer to GMML:
There is a dsitinction. Deliberate handball and ball to hand.
If the balls happens to bounce up and hit your arm depending where it happens on the pitch it'll just be play-on. At the refs discretion.
However if say a defender deliberates handballs and stops a goal going in, it is a penatly and the player is sent off for "denying a goalscoring oppurtunity" by deliberatly handling the ball.
Reverse of this though is if a defender say slides in to stop the ball, it then bounces up and hits his hand. This wouldn't be a foul and wouldn't be handball. Again the ref has to decide if he meant it not.
What Henry did was defintly a foul and he would have been cautioned (yellow card) for it if the lines man or ref had seen it.
The fact he delibratly used his hand which led to goal makes him a cheat in my book. He should be banned from ther world cup.
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Stuff like this "just happens" in sports. I once caught a foul ball in college that clearly bounced, but it was recorded as an out because the umpires were shielded from the play (by my body). Just about everyone in the stadium saw it except for the umpires, and that was all that mattered.
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if this was cricket you'd be expected to own up to it bouncing. It called cheating in England.
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Stuff like this "just happens" in sports. I once caught a foul ball in college that clearly bounced, but it was recorded as an out because the umpires were shielded from the play (by my body). Just about everyone in the stadium saw it except for the umpires, and that was all that mattered.
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if this was cricket you'd be expected to own up to it bouncing. It called cheating in England. |
If this was hockey it'd be no different than a player accepting an offside pass or tripping another player that was about to get a breakaway. They aren't considered cheats. Fans might boo it but no one's foolish enough to think these guy's should have some moral obligation that stops them from trying to get away with crossing the line. Athletes are paid for their results.
Probably shouldn't have used a hockey example. My Canadian brethren can back me up though.
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I just saw the video and that guy is positively cheating and most likely wanted by the police.
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Bad and missed calls by refs is a part of pretty much all sports. There's really nothing that can be done about it. They aren't going to replay the game after it ends, because of this, or any other, botched call.
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