|
swiggidy
|
02-15-2007, 04:19 AM
Post subject: gg Tim Hardaway
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Waiting in the shadows ...
Posts: 3,777
|
|
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2766213
"You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known," Hardaway said. "I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."
...
Hardaway later apologized for the remarks during a telephone interview with Fox affiliate WSVN in Miami.
"Yes, I regret it. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said I hate gay people or anything like that," he said. "That was my mistake."
|
|
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
euphoricism
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Your place or my place
Posts: 3,610
|
|
He's stupid, but whatever. He's perfectly allowed to have his beliefs and this is only news because he's rich and famous. Theres lots of homophobes in the world. Some of them are rich.
|
|
|
|
DaNutsInYoEye
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 1,921
|
|
LOL, the title of the book of the gay player that came out is "Man in the Middle".
|
|
TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
|
|
mcatdog
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 3,654
|
|
Wasn't this guy trying to get into broadcasting? Well he can kiss that career good-bye. Dumbass.
|
|
|
|
bode
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: slow motion
Posts: 4,270
|
|
i dont know why he would even make a token apology after saying something like that. He obviously meant what he said. i dont think he can honesly say he didnt mean it when he said "i hate gay people".
|
Quote:
|
eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
|
|
|
Phew72
|
|
3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 100
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Bode-ist
i dont know why he would even make a token apology after saying something like that. He obviously meant what he said. i dont think he can honesly say he didnt mean it when he said "i hate gay people".
|
He didn't take back about hating gay people, he just said it was a mistake to say it. There is a significant difference.
|
|
<Jessie May>Try reading that poker face.
<Grub Smith>There's a lot of face to read. It really is a big head.
|
|
a500lbgorilla
|
|
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
|
|
Nothing wrong with hating gay people. Just like hating black people. It's unfounded and incredibly stupid but it's everyone's right to hate whomever they please.
|
Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
|
|
biondino
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
Posts: 3,170
|
|
It's everyone's right but it IS wrong in any kind of non-theistic humanist system of morals.
|
|
|
|
Rondavu
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,053
|
|
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
|
It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
|
|
swiggidy
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Waiting in the shadows ...
Posts: 3,777
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
Does this apply to girls too?
I thought this was funny because of the way he apologized. I don't give a fuck what he actually thinks.
|
|
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
|
|
a500lbgorilla
|
|
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
|
|
Girls are sluts.
|
Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
|
|
Rondavu
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,053
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Girls are sluts.
|
QFT
|
|
It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
OMFG
|
|
|
|
Margin Of Error
|
|
Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 254
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
Exactly. Homosexuality is obviously not the default neural programming for humans or we would cease to exist very quickly. There is something in your brain that must undergo change in order for such a condition to occur.
|
|
She looked at me and said youz a baby right?
I told her, I'm 18 and live a crazy life
Plus I'll tell you what the 80's like
And I know what ladies like
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
Exactly. Homosexuality is obviously not the default neural programming for humans or we would cease to exist very quickly. There is something in your brain that must undergo change in order for such a condition to occur. |
I agree with your statement Margin, but to say that it's a brain malfunction and there should be medication for it is retarded. Was that a joke Rondavu?
|
|
|
|
DaNutsInYoEye
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 1,921
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by zook
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
Exactly. Homosexuality is obviously not the default neural programming for humans or we would cease to exist very quickly. There is something in your brain that must undergo change in order for such a condition to occur. |
I agree with your statement Margin, but to say that it's a brain malfunction and there should be medication for it is retarded. Was that a joke Rondavu? |
They're saying the same thing, but in different words. I don't see how you can agree with one statement but not the other...
|
|
TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
|
|
swiggidy
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Waiting in the shadows ...
Posts: 3,777
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
Exactly. Homosexuality is obviously not the default neural programming for humans or we would cease to exist very quickly. There is something in your brain that must undergo change in order for such a condition to occur.
|
This is only true if our entire thought process is solely the result of chemical reactions. If this is true then the human mind is something that could be created or replicated since it's purely physical.
|
|
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by zook
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
Exactly. Homosexuality is obviously not the default neural programming for humans or we would cease to exist very quickly. There is something in your brain that must undergo change in order for such a condition to occur. |
I agree with your statement Margin, but to say that it's a brain malfunction and there should be medication for it is retarded. Was that a joke Rondavu? |
They're saying the same thing, but in different words. I don't see how you can agree with one statement but not the other... |
No, very different. Margin said it can't be the default neural programming, which is obv true. But that doesn't exclude it from being an evolutionary advantage to the species. I'll go into detail if you like, but one simplistic way that could be true is if being a heterozygote for homosexuality (assuming there's one non-dominant gene for it) is an advantage (like sickle-cell anemia and malaria resistance in Africans). The other thing Margin wrote was just that homosexuals' brains are different than heterosexuals'. I think this is obv too.
Rondavu on the other hand called it a "malfunction" which means it's bad. As I said, it could easily be an advantage to our species as a whole. He also said there should be medication for it, which is ludicrous in my opinion. If homosexuals were clamoring for a way to turn straight and there was a societal benefit to doing so, then maybe we could justify spending research dollars on it. But they're not, and there isn't. If Rondavu's just saying that b/c he doesn't like the idea of two guys banging each other and he thinks they should take medication to get "better" then that's selfish and offensive.
|
|
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by swiggidy
This is only true if our entire thought process is solely the result of chemical reactions. If this is true then the human mind is something that could be created or replicated since it's purely physical.
|
OT, but I believe this. Happens to be my field of study though 
|
|
|
|
Phantaroth
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 505
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
Unless it is a choice. If it is a choice, are they still retarded?
If you arn't joking, which I don't think you are, and you choose to pursue your line of thought - you will be proven wrong. Bigotry is bigotry whether you use logic to strengthen your hate or not.
|
|
|
|
Rondavu
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,053
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by zook
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
OMFG |
Oh what, you think sticking your penis in another mans asshole is fine and dandy? Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against people who have the conditional impulse of homosexuality. Let's just call it what is is though. It's sticking your penis in another mans asshole, and it's deviant in nature. It's equivalent to wanting to be spanked by your wife while wearing a pampers screaming "mama, mama!" It's like a husband having out of control urges to suck on his wife's toes while blasting Frank Sinatra. It isn't normal. I'm willing to accept that people do it, but I'm against those people trying to "validate" it as routine, run of the mill, customary, standard, regular.
|
|
It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
|
|
Phantaroth
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 505
|
|
So basically you are just a judgemental dick and don't care that the sexual variations between people are harmless? You only care that there ARE differences in the first place... interesting.
I'll try and make a note of that.
|
|
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by zook
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
OMFG |
Oh what, you think sticking your penis in another mans asshole is fine and dandy? Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against people who have the conditional impulse of homosexuality. Let's just call it what is is though. It's sticking your penis in another mans asshole, and it's deviant in nature. It's equivalent to wanting to be spanked by your wife while wearing a pampers screaming "mama, mama!" It's like a husband having out of control urges to suck on his wife's toes while blasting Frank Sinatra. It isn't normal. I'm willing to accept that people do it, but I'm against those people trying to "validate" it as routine, run of the mill, customary, standard, regular. |
Yeah, I'm fine with it. I don't want to watch it, or visualize it, but I have no problem with other people doing it.
And you seem to have backed down quite a bit. Now you're just saying it's not normal, standard, regular, etc. which I agree with. (It is customary b/c it's been happening since the beginning of recorded history, but that's nitpicking.) A small minority of humans are attracted to the same sex, so it certainly can't be defined as normal.
The main problems I had with what you wrote were using the word malfunction and saying that homosexuals should be medicated.
|
|
|
|
Aces
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 832
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
Oh what, you think sticking your penis in another mans asshole is fine and dandy? Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against people who have the conditional impulse of homosexuality. Let's just call it what is is though. It's sticking your penis in another mans asshole, and it's deviant in nature. It's equivalent to wanting to be spanked by your wife while wearing a pampers screaming "mama, mama!" It's like a husband having out of control urges to suck on his wife's toes while blasting Frank Sinatra. It isn't normal. I'm willing to accept that people do it, but I'm against those people trying to "validate" it as routine, run of the mill, customary, standard, regular.
|
Dude you obviously have quite a bit against it. Two consenting adults, who gives a rat's ass? Live and let live, what good does hating gays do? I'm also guessing you don't have the same opinion of lesbians since you didn't graphically describe what gay women do to each other as well but I guess that's another topic.
Chill with the gay-bashing already.
|
|
|
|
ttanaka
|
|
Administrator
Administrator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,184
|
|
Quote:
|
Two consenting adults, who gives a rat's ass? Live and let live, what good does hating gays do?
|
Yup, doesn't hurt me none, what's to hate?
|
|
|
|
a500lbgorilla
|
|
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
|
|
I have absolutely nothing against gays and think they should be able to marry.
But im not going to defend them and their lifestyle.
|
Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
|
|
thenonsequitur
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Location: Location
Posts: 637
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
Your statement came off as primarily an emotionally charged judgmental outburst that seemed pretty out-of-the-blue (over-reaction to cover up truths about yourself?). Even if you feel your comment holds philosophical or scientific validity (which I don't think it does), common courtesy should prevent you from presenting it like an asshole.
|
|
|
|
thenonsequitur
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Location: Location
Posts: 637
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
But im not going to defend them and their lifestyle.
|
I see no reason not to defend them and their lifestyle. The gay people I know are just like other people when not in the privacy of their own bedrooms. And when they are in the privacy of their bedroom it's really none of my business. They have a right to have whatever kind of (consensual) sex or sexual acts that they want to, and that's a principle worth defending. Just because I don't want to have the kind of sex they are having doesn't mean I shouldn't defend the principle of freedom that's it's based upon.
|
|
|
|
Phantaroth
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 505
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Rondavu
I think one guy banging another is disgusting. To me the urge to have intercourse with the same sex is equivalent to being retarded. There's something wrong in your brain to want to do that. It's a "condition", just like any other. It's like having turrets, being autistic, or having any mental handicap. It's a brain malfunction. There should be medication for it.
|
A handicap hinders you in some way. Please explain how you see homosexuality being a hinderence.
Please provide a link to the data that suggests homosexuality is linked to a specific brain condition.
Quote:
|
It's equivalent to wanting to be spanked by your wife while wearing a pampers screaming "mama, mama!" It's like a husband having out of control urges to suck on his wife's toes while blasting Frank Sinatra. It isn't normal
|
By not being normal you refer to brain chemistry. Please provide data to prove this point.
Quote:
|
I'm willing to accept that people do it, but I'm against those people trying to "validate" it as routine, run of the mill, customary, standard, regular.
|
I think it is widely acknowledged that there are more heterosexuals then homosexuals. But it certainly is a historical custom. As it relates to politics, homosexual rights should obviously be garunteed just as all other rights of free action are to be garunteed.
|
|
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,991
|
|
Gayness is not a choice. AND gayness isn't genetic. However, it IS innate.
Basically your sexual orientation is one of the many things that is decided during your early childhood personality development. There's definitely an element of randomness there though. Its definitely a mental thing, but it isn't something people choose to do.
BTW theres nothing wrong with finding homosexuality disgusting.
Obviously since im straight I think its pretty disgusting for a man to have sex with another man. THATS WHY IM STRAIGHT. OK? I don't have to find homosexuality appealing because IM NOT GAY.
However, there is something VERY wrong with finding homosexuals disgusting or hating them.
Also the argument of "all the gay people I know are like normal people when they aren't in their bedroom" holds very little water. There is a percentage of gay people, and it is very significant, who are queeny and very annoying and they are just adhering to the queen stereotype to be different from everyone else. ITS OK TO FIND THESE PEOPLE ANNOYING AND OBNOXIOUS.
I just think that people need to more clearly define their reasons for hatred and intolerance. The fact that he sucks cock is a poor reason. The fact that he's obnoxious is a perfectly good reason to dislike anyone.
|
|
|
|
bigred
|
|
PROFESSIONAL TROLL
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
Posts: 2,184
|
|
I don't like the thought of fat people having sex but you're not going to see me start an anti-fatty campaign.
|
|
LOL OPERATIONS
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Renton
Gayness is not a choice. AND gayness isn't genetic. However, it IS innate.
Basically your sexual orientation is one of the many things that is decided during your early childhood personality development. There's definitely an element of randomness there though. Its definitely a mental thing, but it isn't something people choose to do.
|
Just want to point out there should be an "I think" or "in my opinion" somewhere in here. I think that sexuality is strongly influenced (and in some cases determined) by genetic factors. But that's just my opinion.
|
|
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,991
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by zook
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Renton
Gayness is not a choice. AND gayness isn't genetic. However, it IS innate.
Basically your sexual orientation is one of the many things that is decided during your early childhood personality development. There's definitely an element of randomness there though. Its definitely a mental thing, but it isn't something people choose to do.
|
Just want to point out there should be an "I think" or "in my opinion" somewhere in here. I think that sexuality is strongly influenced (and in some cases determined) by genetic factors. But that's just my opinion. |
this is a very opinionated thread, i figured it was implied
|
|
|
|
thenonsequitur
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Location: Location
Posts: 637
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by bigred
I don't like the thought of fat people having sex but you're not going to see me start an anti-fatty campaign.
|
very well-stated and QFT
|
|
|
|
biondino
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
Posts: 3,170
|
|
Who knew Rondavu of all people would be FTR's resident bigot?
Simple truth = Rondavu is the retarded one. Imagine not having the humanity and empathy to tolerate the natural emotions of his fellow men. I would feel pity if it could penetrate the loathing his posts have generated.
In fact, I resent him all the more for making me feel the kind of hatred he does.
If he were here posting about how he hates blacks or jews or women he'd be banned in a heartbeat. So, mods. I'm appealing to you to do the right thing.
|
|
|
|
Galapogos
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The Loser's Lounge
Posts: 2,322
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by bigred
I don't like the thought of fat people having sex but you're not going to see me start an anti-fatty campaign.
|
How do fat people have sex anyway?
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
|
|
|
bigred
|
|
PROFESSIONAL TROLL
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
Posts: 2,184
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by biondino
Who knew Rondavu of all people would be FTR's resident bigot?
Simple truth = Rondavu is the retarded one. Imagine not having the humanity and empathy to tolerate the natural emotions of his fellow men. I would feel pity if it could penetrate the loathing his posts have generated.
In fact, I resent him all the more for making me feel the kind of hatred he does.
If he were here posting about how he hates blacks or jews or women he'd be banned in a heartbeat. So, mods. I'm appealing to you to do the right thing.
|
Let's not get carried away now. While I completely disagree with what Rondavu has said, he's not using harmful slurs or total disrespect for everyone. Homosexuality is always a heated debate but let's try to maintain some composure here. Calling each other retarded isn't going to solve anything.
|
|
LOL OPERATIONS
|
|
Phantaroth
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 505
|
|
Very carefully!
|
|
|
|
bigred
|
|
PROFESSIONAL TROLL
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
Posts: 2,184
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Galapogos
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by bigred
I don't like the thought of fat people having sex but you're not going to see me start an anti-fatty campaign.
|
How do fat people have sex anyway? |
You could almost say in ways that are...unnatural? I mean, all those curves and chins, that's not right! Perhaps they should be outlawed too?
|
|
LOL OPERATIONS
|
|
biondino
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
Posts: 3,170
|
|
Bigred, the statements he made are unequivocally and unjustifiably bigoted. It doesn't matter what the target is. All he cares about is reacting with hatred against something he doesn't understand. Even in lands where free speech is held in the highest regard, this kind of rhetoric is unacceptable.
|
|
|
|
Lukie
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: back with a vengeance
Posts: 3,307
|
|
Quote:
|
This is only true if our entire thought process is solely the result of chemical reactions. If this is true then the human mind is something that could be created or replicated since it's purely physical.
|
Ignoring everything else in this thread because it really doesn't interest me, the above statement is true.
|
|
|
|
bigred
|
|
PROFESSIONAL TROLL
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nest of Douchebags
Posts: 2,184
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by biondino
Bigred, the statements he made are unequivocally and unjustifiably bigoted. It doesn't matter what the target is. All he cares about is reacting with hatred against something he doesn't understand. Even in lands where free speech is held in the highest regard, this kind of rhetoric is unacceptable.
|
I'm just not a fan of countering extremes with extremes. It's up to the mods I suppose.
|
|
LOL OPERATIONS
|
|
thenonsequitur
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Location: Location
Posts: 637
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Renton
Also the argument of "all the gay people I know are like normal people when they aren't in their bedroom" holds very little water. There is a percentage of gay people, and it is very significant, who are queeny and very annoying and they are just adhering to the queen stereotype to be different from everyone else. ITS OK TO FIND THESE PEOPLE ANNOYING AND OBNOXIOUS.
|
First of all, I agree with just about everything you said. So I only quoted the part that I disagree on -- that the argument I made holds little water.
I think you are overestimating the percentage of obnoxious gay people. It's easy to get biased data here, because it's easier to classify a person being particularly queeny and obnoxious as gay than it is to classify someone normal doing something normal as gay. So when you notice that a person is gay, they are more likely to be obnoxious and queeny than a percentage over the actual population would indicate.
Secondly, I think that a certain portion of the population is just inherently obnoxious, regardless of sexual orientation. And it just so happens that obnoxious gay people have learned they can get attention by playing up the whole gay queen thing. But there are also a lot of non-obnoxious gay people that don't do this, because it's not inherent in them to be obnoxious.
|
|
|
|
biondino
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
Posts: 3,170
|
|
Yeah, point taken, I always react too aggressively to things like this. I still think his comments deserve an instant and permanent banning, though. You simply can't disseminate bigotry like this.
Every other person who doesn't like the thought of putting his penis into another man has expressed themselves in a way which implies no intolerance whatsoever. I think the idea of bungee jumping is insane but I don't consider people who do it to be depraved, or subhuman, or BAD in any way. But he does, and it's not on.
|
|
|
|
biondino
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
Posts: 3,170
|
|
thenonsequitur on the money
|
|
|
|
swiggidy
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Waiting in the shadows ...
Posts: 3,777
|
|
Wow @ this thread
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by bigred
I don't like the thought of fat people having sex but you're not going to see me start an anti-fatty campaign.
|
I think if the fatties stopped shoving food down their gullet and got off their fat ass every once in awhile we wouldn't have to worry about this.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Lukie
Quote:
|
This is only true if our entire thought process is solely the result of chemical reactions. If this is true then the human mind is something that could be created or replicated since it's purely physical.
|
Ignoring everything else in this thread because it really doesn't interest me, the above statement is true. |
This is way more interesting than bashing gay bashers. Zook, what's your field of study and why do you think the mind is 100% chemical?
|
|
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
|
|
Phantaroth
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 505
|
|
I don't think he should be banned because I don't think he precieves what he says as biggoted. Also how can we make him see the light if he is banned? 
|
|
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by swiggidy
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Lukie
Quote:
|
This is only true if our entire thought process is solely the result of chemical reactions. If this is true then the human mind is something that could be created or replicated since it's purely physical.
|
Ignoring everything else in this thread because it really doesn't interest me, the above statement is true. |
This is way more interesting than bashing gay bashers. Zook, what's your field of study and why do you think the mind is 100% chemical? |
Getting my PhD in neurobiology. Hopefully soon I've been studying the molecular basis of behavior in mice. Specifically the early stages of memory formation and more recently, behavioral responses to cocaine.
I think that the mind, consciousness, etc. can be explained entirely by the molecular and cellular workings of our brain b/c that the makes the most sense and there aren't any great arguments against it at this point. The more we learn about the brain and it's incredible complexity, the more convinced I become. As for replicating the human mind, it's a really long way off obv, but we can already predict and influence a simple type of decision-making in monkeys using the electrical activity of a small number of neurons. It's only going to get cooler from here on out.
|
|
|
|
thenonsequitur
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Location: Location
Posts: 637
|
|
zook, have you ever read "Conversations on Consciousness: Interviews with Twenty Minds"? It's an easy read that is also thought-provoking. I highly recommend it.
The book is what the title says. It's interviews with twenty well-known people from many different loosely related academic fields ranging from philosophy to neurobiology to quantum physics. They all talk about their ideas about consciousness, thoughts, free will, the brain, and the mind. Nothing very technical, it's a layman's book, but you get to concisely see a lot of different viewpoints (most of which are based a lot more on hard science than on philosophy). You may already be familiar with a lot of the stuff in this book, but you'd probably enjoy it anyway.
|
|
|
|
zook
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,676
|
|
That looks/sounds very cool. I added it my Amazon wish list. Thanks.
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
Linear Mode
